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Re: Where's Larry and Hoppy when you need 'em???
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Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:39:58 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
   http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/18/15219/0788

k, it’s a lefty sight, but it has this excerpt from the Gonzales affair--

Specter: Now wait a minute, wait a minute. The Constitution says you can’t take it away except in the case of invasion or rebellion. Doesn’t that mean you have the right of habeas corpus?

Gonzales: I meant by that comment that the Constitution doesn’t say that every individual in the United States or every citizen has or is assured the right of habeas corpus. It doesn’t say that. It simply says that the right of habeas corpus shall not be suspended.


Hmmmm, founding fathers being exclusionary? The literal text really does say what Gonzales says it does.

But then again, the literal text of the 2nd really does say that the guns are for the ‘well oiled militia’

Interpretations be damned, I say. Let’s go for the literal text!!!

Well, you want your interpretation, and literal, too. Specter takes the Constitution literally when he cites “except in the case of invasion or rebellion”, but when Gonzales takes the Constitution literally, you cry foul.

JOHN



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  Re: Where's Larry and Hoppy when you need 'em???
 
(...) I think Constitutions are like religious texts. "My" sides interpretation is always the only valid one ;-) Tim (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: Where's Larry and Hoppy when you need 'em???
 
(...) I'm not up on this one apparently-- where did Specter take a literal interpretation where he ought not to have? In this case, it seems utterly plain. If the interpretation is that no right is expressly granted to anyone, but only that when it (...) (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: Where's Larry and Hoppy when you need 'em???
 
(...) One problem there (among many) is that there has been no invasion and no rebellion. A single attack does not an invasion make, so there is literally no justification for suspension of habeas corpus. Dave! (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Where's Larry and Hoppy when you need 'em???
 
(URL) it's a lefty sight, but it has this excerpt from the Gonzales affair-- Specter: Now wait a minute, wait a minute. The Constitution says you can't take it away except in the case of invasion or rebellion. Doesn't that mean you have the right of (...) (17 years ago, 23-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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