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Richard, please learn how to cross post, if you would. You've started this thread, or a very similar one, in more than one group. It's far better to post one post to several groups. Thanks. Cross posting is easy no matter whether you are using the (...) (25 years ago, 27-Dec-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I am in your hands Larry. I use the web interface. What should I have done? Thanks in advance, it happens that I just don't know what to do -- if not for lego I wouldn't use newsgroups at all, -- Richard (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Well, I'm not Larry(1), but I use the web interface, so I can answer this. When you post a message, there are 4 fields you can enter data in. From the top right: Newsgroups: Followup-To (optional): Subject: (and 1 untitled box, which is the (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) *My* guess for the footnote before I read it was "Thank God, then there would be two of him" YMMV{;^D BTW I have redirected the FU to .fun in hopes of more frivolity at Lar's expense;-) -John (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Doesn't that approach sacralige for a devout Larritarian like you? I mean, I can understand a heathen like me being irreverant, but you? You're like, the second disciple or something, aren't you? James (URL) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) You must be wanting to speak to my good twin;-) Of course I'm a Larritarian, and of course I'm a disciple. It's kinda like ethnic comedians, such as blacks or Jews [1]. Only *they*, it seems, are allowed to poke fun at their respective (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) c /sacralige/sacriledge/ and c/irreverant/irreverent/ If you're gonna diss me, ya gotta get the details right. (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I (...) the (...) Oops. Sorry 'bout that - must have been a misteak. Mere heathens like me do that on occaision. Speaking of misteaks, should I point out that I was picking on your misguided followers, not you. If I were making fun of you, (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) That last word was deliberate, right? (...) Misguided?? <earth rumbles...> You pick on my followers, you're picking on me. Remember what God did to those who opposed the Israelites... however the Israelites had to suffer a bit first. (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Yes, I always think these things out ahead of time. (...) See? I'm just doing my part to heap scorn and suffering upon your followers. You should be thanking me, really. Or failing that, proving your godhood - either turn me into a pillar of (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) at least it's not sacraigledge... where do larriterians stand on sacraigledge, anyway? explain in lehman's terms please. heading toward offtopic.pun... later ~ craig~ (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Couldn't say. In fact I can't even say where LarritArians stand on it(1). Although standing on -ledges of whatever kind sounds dangerous. (2) 1 - I'm the deity, not a follower 2 - Unless you never make misteaks. (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I wonder....would an immortal end a sentence with a preposition? -John (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Quite. That, quoting Churchill, is something "up with which I will not put"... (...) Saw Bicentennial Man today, it made me cry. A lot. Here's a question for you: Would you give up practical immortality in order to be officially recognised as (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Por moi? I will reserve judgment on Bi-man until I see it tomorrow or Thurs, but my initial reaction from trailers is that this whole topic was dealt with quite elegantly in ST:TNG with the character of Data. The author of Ecclesiastes was (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) James Brown for Precedent! Al Gore for Vice-Precedent (cuz after all he invented the internet)! (...) put"... Hee, I'd forgotten about that gem! :D (...) That, indeed, would be a precedent. (...) you: (...) recognised as (...) For all incense (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) Or even "sacrilege." :) LFB (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) The "rule" about prepositions ending sentences is an archaic Victorianism, an effort to "Latinize" English. Since English is a Germanic language, and German has prepositions at the end of sentences all of the time (separable prefixes and all (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) "the Positronic Man" is credited in the opening credits as the basis. (...) Very few gimmicky laughs. One that *I* laughed at was the display of the 3 laws (quoted word for word from Asimov) in the very beginning. As for sentimentality, I (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Ugh. No thanks, I'd rather be behind the throne. Setting precedent and all that... (...) I have no idea. Having 'recognized as human' being a given my entire life, I am a poor judge of it's value. (and I have no intention, regardless of (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) Don't answer so fast! you may change your mind later. And if you choose one way, you CAN change your mind, if you choose the other, you can't. I think most of us would be delighted to live a bit longer than we currently think is what's (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) Actually, the whole immortality thing is something I have thought about a fair bit. I hadn't considered the 'recognized as human' angle before, but it's IMHO irrelevant to the main thrust - I wouldn't want to be immortal. I'd love to be able (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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"LP" == Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> writes: LP> Wired, I think it was this month, rag that it is, had an LP> interesting plot of predicted life expectancy. Being born next LP> year doubles it from being 40, like I am, according to them. LP> (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) And Bill Clinton did the intern-ette... (...) Or setting on the throne. <Sorry. I know that stunk. Either sue me or light a match> (...) theatre? Puleeze McBritawannabe. (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) It basically boils down to this: if you give in on prepositions, then before you know it, we will be saying "ain't", "chilrun", and "me and her went". It's about preserving the language from the illiterates, who are legion. Don't get me (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Nah, ledges are generally fine for standing on. It's platforms and soapboxes that get unstable... ;) James (URL) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) You say that as a mortal. :-) I don't want to .debate this, but I do want to highlight (and I guess I may be spoiling some of the plot here) that this character already WAS immortal, practically. He was faced with the choice of trading it away (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While that is technically the generally accepted spelling, if I had suggested that correction, would Craigo have been able to riff on it, enabling my cliff-hanger of a riposte?? I think NOT. You mortals just don't think far enough ahead. :-) (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) What part of speech would it be then, exactly? (...) That's not really a strong argument, because why should the "literate" minority hold sway over the masses? Seems kind of elitist to me. Further, that slippery-slope reasoning is inherently (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I haven't seen the movie (yet), so I hadn't been taking it into consideration. I'd consider it a bad trade, too - but then it wasn't me making the choice. To him, it may have been worth it (and I'll shut up now - at least until I see it). (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I am all for that! :) Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems Administrator/CAD Operator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just a side note: don't see the movie--it's awful. Well, not awful, exactly, but pretty darned uneven with not a single moment giving us any sense of what Robin Williams' character really has at stake. The short story is a much better (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) c /Azimov/Asimov/ (getting the master's name right takes you up a notch on my "credence-o-meter" when discussing his work :-) ) I confess to a bit of shock at your perception. What a radically different perception than mine! As I said, I found (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Aagh! I've been revealed as a fraud! Actually, I was trying to maximize the Scrabble value of his name, and Z is worth more than S! Anyway, "the master?" Hmm... I can't quite get behind you on that one, I'm afraid, but I do enjoy his stuff. (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Because of your description of this movie, I have made plans to go see it. Your "scathing" review has interested me in something I would have skipped, so thanks Dave!. It sounds typical of movies, to leave much of the story out, so should I read it (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The short story is among my favorites in any genre, so I recommend it whether you plan to see the film or not. I confess that I don't see how characterization that isn't in a film can affect the film, except by its absence, regardless of its (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<FnIv3w.JtC@lugnet.com> <FnIvDJ.Kvp@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course, the short story *I* remember was called the "Sesquicentennial Man" (150 years). (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Technical (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "We" (who?) already are saying those things, statistically. We just shouldn't write them. What do you mean, "giving in?" This isn't even an issue of grammatical correctness--it's an issue of style. There is no rule in English that prohibits (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL! :) Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems Administrator/CAD Operator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) put"... (...) an (...) German has (...) and all (...) about "no (...) to (...) infinitive (...) before you know (...) started on (...) write them. (...) correctness--it's (...) and it's (...) that created (...) "split (...) have you (...) two (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Not to insult or something, but being immortal is much more than 200 years. It's for eternity. If you can't grasp eternity, think 1 million years. (which is nothing compared to eternity.) Think of this - everybody you know dies. You meet new (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) "Aaaah! Suffice to say, 'tis the one word the Knights cannot stand to hear!" -LFB (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Was that its original title? I only came across it about 7 years ago, but I'm almost certain it was "Bicentennial Man" even then. Dave! (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to insult or something but I didn't say that immortality was the same thing as living for 200 years, I merely said that I could easily see wanting to go 200 years and that I would like to have a choice about how long to live rather than a (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Now there's a precedent for vice! (...) light a (...) I'd rather give you a swirly. (...) left (...) Actually, I find it easier to type 'theatre' than 'theater'. But I draw the line at 'meter' vs 'metre'. That just looks too French. And I (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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<386A85C4.716D28B3@n...scape.com> <FnJ57G.8vs@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I don't know what decade I read it, but I do remember that the Asimov story I read was titled (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think it's incumbent upon us to recognize this. (...) I'm bowled over by the mere thought. T'anks, I'm flush with horror now! (...) My understanding from most "genuine" Scots of my acquaintance is that they don't mind being British, but (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) Interesting. I wonder if Asimov changed it because "bicentennial" became part of the U.S. popular consciousness in 1976. It would seem an easy thing to research... Dave! (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know, Wild Bill's statement gets a lot of press, and rightly so, given its idiocy. However, a considerable amount of time and effort has been spent in the field of Philosophy to resolve exactly this question, so we can't simply act as (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) /ray looks at /lar... I don't think I ever want to play Lego Chess with you ;) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Another extremely cool thing about him is that he was better educated than just about any SciFi writer out there, then or now, and as such was able to impart greater technical insight to his writing without sounding like he was trying to (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<386B7C15.40D460AE@voyager.net> <FnKBD7.Ao9@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I've played with one, but never used one for anything serious. I did use a slide rule a few times in High (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) currently (...) years. (...) (which (...) That makes your point clearer. In that case, I agree. (...) Yes, I am E2L (or ESL), and thanks for the tip. -Shiri (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) That's _not_ what immortal means. By definition, immortal means _not_ able to die or be killed. Not by a .25 bullet, not by an A10 2 kg depleted uranium round, not by a tac-nuke, not by a full-blown 20 megaton H-bomb, not by hurling yourself (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Point taken. You're absolutely right. Savor the moment, it comes so RARELY in discourse with me... To be actually immortal means to not be able to choose not to be immortal. However, I think for this discussion we are using Immortality (incorrectly, (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As well as in a little story called bicentennial man which happens to predate STTNG by quite a while. Jasper "what do you mean, posting while drunk on too much bubbly is bad?" Janssen (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) Not to mention the execrable Buck Rogers TV series. At least STTNG took the bull by the horns in Season One by identifying the positronic brain as Asimov's vision. It's not as though they were trying to fool anyone. Dave! (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) Ah.... *bask* (...) I relaised latyer that we were talking about Asimov's robot, which movie now apparently has made it into release. I wonder if it'll go staright-to-video here or not get here at all. (...) Well, I hadn't been reading the (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You create a bit of universe, make a planet, seed it with nearly intelligent simians, and toy with them for a few million years... You watch them shoot nuclear explosion amounts of fireworks in the sky one millennium.. Jasper (total fireworks (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Wouldn't that mean that it's more on the "corporate" side? I wouldn't exactly call typical pointy-haired corporate weenies "heavy". (...) I think the name is probably right. I believe the term most often used to refer to her is "cast-iron (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) NORAD almost freaked at the triple Scud launch near Midnight, Moscow time, that was taken as a nuke launch at first--turns out they were just sending some Happy New Year missiles to Chechnya. :( Stupid gits. (Not Russians in general, just (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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You seem to know a lot about that which is unknowable;-) -John (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What about the childrens' balloons from one of those "whose gets the farthest when the ticket is returned" which were detected as incoming nukes by the Russian aged and failing early-warning system a few months/years back? (...) Yup. Our $100 (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) And they started singing: Whoa-hoa, this here Anakin guy, maybe....<scratch> <muffle> <mike feedback> Oops. I-uh.. wrong song. Let's try this again, shall we.. One two, three four! Hast du etwas Zeit für mich Dann singe ich ein Lied für dich (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) "My fellow Americans, I have just signed legislation that outlaws Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." Thanks for typing those words--I've always been able to remember little swatches of the German version, but I can't think in (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) <Snip Nena><I thought they only did that to males? -- Shut up, Pinky.> (...) To tell you the truth, I copied them off a random web page this time. I didn't have the .mp3 handy, or I'd have typed it in. (...) Nah, my second language is English, (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Ya know, they don't play that enough any more. Funny thing is, the German version seems to be more popular than the English version. On the radio stations I listen to, at least. I like listening to songs in some foreign languages. You can pay (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) <neunundneunzig luftballons> (...) That's because the translation is, if you'll pardon the expression, a load of donkey's faeces. It loses the story, and the emotional loading completely. If you understand german, you know that ;) (...) Yup. (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) That explains why the two versions are so similar. Same thing happens with Japanese songs redone in English. (...) Well, I don't understand german, although I do know a few words. Actually, I know slightly more Japanese, and I'm learning more (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) They sound very similar - but the english loses a few big parts of the story, and somehow it manages to convey pretty much no emoption at all. I suspect the translation was done more on "scanning" well and sounding similar than on content. (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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[discussing "99 Luftballoons"] (...) I was curious and found a link that shows a side by side comparision of the English version and a translation of the original German lyrics. (URL) "Float on a river, forever and ever, Emily" (25 years ago, 7-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) spirit well". I mean, sure, there are obviously German-english translations of other things that suck worse, but I don't think this can possibly fit into "translated well". I mailed them a few corrections for the middle translation, BTW ;) I (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Ha! We've caught you--proofreaders don't have souls. (At least, I didn't when I was a proofer.) best, Lindsay (25 years ago, 10-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) No response so far.. (...) Hmmmm. I suppose you're right. That must be why I disagree with Larry. You know what's really sad? I think I'd be better proofreading english than Dutch. Jasper (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Your job options would certainly be better--Lord knows there's a lot more call for proofreaders for English than proofreaders for Dutch, because a *much* larger percentage of the relatively small number of Dutch-speakers are truly fluent in (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Yah. Though if you want people who can write Dutch, go to the Flemings. The Great National Dictation Contest has been won, out of 10 years it's been running yearly, 8 or 9 times by a Belgian. (...) Jumbled seems to have a bit of a different (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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