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Michael Lachmann: (...) I think we agreed to use 0 CW and 0 CCW lines in the beginning of the files to indicate (C)CW compliancy, but you should have a look at what Steve actually has written in his parts. (...) It would be very nice if you (...) (25 years ago, 1-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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You mentioned that some parts have a "0 CW-Compliant" tag. Could we do something to make this a standard? Because than I could read this tag in MLCad and make the drawing faster!!!!! Tell me what you think! Mike (...) John VanZwieten wrote in (...) (25 years ago, 1-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) MAX2DAT isn't really meant to be a comprehensive part authoring tool... it's easy to build simple objects (like a 2x2 tile or 1x1 round plate) directly in LEdit with primatives... but objects like complex technic pieces, wheels, etc often have (...) (25 years ago, 1-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Gary Williams wrote in message ... (...) Okay, I made a bad assumption there, since a group of polygons may terminate flush against another polygon, without touching its edges. But still I think a performance improvement could be realized by using (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Jean-Pierre PARIS wrote in message <37F3B871.74AE196F@w...doo.fr>... (...) My algorithm doesn't require the vertices to exactly match; I was intending to pass one ray per polygon through the dat object, not an arbitrarily large number. And only if (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Ok, but I'm 95% sure that's where I grabbed the copy for ldraw.org originally.. :) Downloading now... -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm almost positive that the ldraw.exe at: (URL) include those updates, so Tim, please grab a copy. --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com ---...---oooo-----(_...o---...--- WWW: (URL) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello, Ok guys, I already announced that I coded such a tool in Java. At present, only one Ldrawer has asked for the code. In fact, it's an alpha release. Thus, I should find beta testers first. Anyway it has already translated some pieces! Here is (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) They could also be differentiated simply by appending Type 1 and Type 2 to the name. Steve (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ... (...) primitive (...) the (...) ray (...) A hypothetical batch dat fixer program could examine the primitives first and flag the ones that were not closed volumes, since those would be the only ones that would (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Leonardo: [ LeoCAD for Linux can be found at (URL) ] I downloaded and installed it. Some problems: - I had to compile Mesa with the command make linux-386-elf (not "linux-shared-elf" as you write on the web site). - Gtk+-1.2 is neccesary. - LeoCAD (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Gary Williams <graywolf@pcpros.net> wrote in message news:FIvo77.F2B@lugnet.com... (...) In the case I'm talking about, 1 primitive is used in 1 instance to be both an outer face and an inner face. In this case, you'd have to fix it manually by (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I was curious, how do you add a stud to a part if you're using MAX2DAT ? Can it be done in 3DS or you have to edit the part later ? I thought that we've agreed that the new parts would have to pass L3P tests for coincident verts and bow-ties, (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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On my system, 2409.dat is dated June 23, 1997. Which would put it in the right range for being in James Jessiman's final part-update, LP97-14. I'm not seeing this on www.ldraw.org (I didn't look *that* hard), but you can get it from James' website, (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) When you draw a part with a pattern transparently, I guess it's not a good idea to remove the backfaces or you might not see the pattern from some angles. (...) About that discussion, IMO it would be better to have *everything* CCW instead of (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) It wouldn't be impossible to fix primitive usage so that primitives such as 4-4cyli.dat are always applied as infinitely thin 1-sided objects. Would that solve the problem? (...) I don't think re-engineering the library is impossible. (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) (URL) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Thanks Tore, Sorry, I've missed your second announcement,I'v been off the list myself during that time. Thank you for your reaction despite that you have those issues on yor hand. O.K, it's a deal, I'll do the update and submission of part 3228 for (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ... (...) the (...) in (...) What if the part that referenced such a primitive had a '0 invert' comment on the line before the primitive reference, if that instance of the primitive was intended to appear inside-out? (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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[ XFUT lugnet.cad ] Leonardo Zide: (...) URL! URL! (they yelled) Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad)
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(...) You're a lucky person, no MS Windows ! :) You can use my LeoCAD for Linux in case you need to so view/edit LDraw files. Leonardo (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I have ended up in a place with _no_ DOS and MS-Win** systems, so I can't get to compile the updated versions of the MPD Builder and the MPD Splitter. Can I get somebody to compile these two programs and send me the binaries? I think DOS versions (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) CW, (...) as (...) What I was concerned about are situations where a single quad is used as the outside of a section of a part and the inside of a section of a part. A theoritical example would be a minifig head. You could use a single 4- (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ... (...) Me too! (...) "enough rays" - exactly what stroke me too when I read Leonardo's posting! With the fast computers nowadays we could shoot millions of rays at the part from all possible viewing angles (this (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Heya ! Sorry to bothering you but I can't nowhere find part nr. 2409 big corner panel. I downloaded complet parts database and I also looked through all updates but I can't find it. Please help me get this part. Thanks ! Rene e-mail: (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I agree with Chris. Putting color names in parts just seems wrong to me. Isn't the gray notchless version used in modern sets such as the wildwest miningish set (bandit's hideaway?) and for overhead crane rails in 4555? I could be wrong. But I'd (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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There are commands in 3DS and 3DSMAX to "unify" normals (normals are what we're discussing... the vector that points perpendicular to a face, indicating which side is "out", which side is shaded or rendered)... i would assume there is documentation (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Leonardo Zide <leonardo@centroin.com.br> wrote in message news:37F24ACE.49636F....com.br... (...) What if when a ray intersected 3 surfaces, it made the first CCW, the last CW, and left the middle surface unmarked. If you traced enough rays from (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Before you commit the part names containing _blue_ or _grey_, I think I am right in saying that the version without the notches exists in grey too. Chris (...) the (...) - (...) #767) (...) part (...) the (...) adding (...) separate (...) part (...) (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I miss that kind of discussion, those were very interesting subjects. Also, where's Jeff Findley ? (...) I've already thought about a ray intersection algorithm but I've never tried to implement it, I might try do it now. Some problems that I (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I did reply the mail and had no delivery failure message. Since there is nothing private in it, I paste in the reply here. See below. Thanks Mike and Mookie for the backup. :) As you can see, Manfred did offer me to do the work if I felt I didn't (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Here are 50 messages regarding the above subjects. The first from January 1998 where Leonardo Zide suggested CW/CCW. I support the CW/CCW idea (isn't it annoying knowing almost 50% of all faces are drawn to waste), though it will cost a considerable (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Read this: (URL) think you'll agree Tore has more important things to deal with than virtual plastic bricks. (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Give Tore some time, he's dealing with some Family stuff right now, and that takes priority over anything here. Hopefully he'll be back to us soon though :) Of course we are all sending Tore Happy thoughts and Good wishes :) Tamy (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello Tore, Do you have another E-mail adress, technical problems, or are you too involved with some other issue ? I've send a mail about part #3228 to your pesonal address about one week ago. Should I send it again ? Greetings, Manfred Moolhuysen. (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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You have to run the makelist.exe program. Then MLcad will know they are there (in LDraw/parts, of course). -John Van Rene Virsik <virsik@usaf.org> wrote in message news:FIqy1x.7JF@lugnet.com... (...) them (...) (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I do have some old messaged but I couldn't find that thread, do you need anything to complete your collection ? :) If the list still exists, then maybe the archive is there too ? Leonardo (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Heya ! How can I get parts to MLcad ? Where may I load them ? I have them in my LDraw directory, but where may I load them if I want use them in MLcad ? Thanx. Rene e-mail: virsik@sco.svf.stuba.sk (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) The main discussion was on the mailing list. I can check my home machine, to see if I have it archived. Anyone else keep copies of the L-CAD messages? Steve (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hey, a huge "BTW" round of thanks for Jacob and Tim and Todd and anyone else in the admin role...the online world wouldn't run without you! :-, Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Actually, most of mine say "not CW-Compliant", as a notice to anyone coming along who wants to clean up the library. Steve (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I couldn't find anything either, maybe the archive has a limit or it was discussed in the L-CAD list ? The only related message I found was (URL) but the discussion started several months before that. Leonardo (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) That should have read, for every polygon in the element or primitive. (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Chris Dee wrote in message ... (...) partly (...) plastic. (...) is a (...) The algorithm I came up with yesterday will handle such cases. Basically for every face in a polygon, I'll pass a ray through it and count the number of polygons that it (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ... (...) I ran the search for 'backface culling', but it came up with four un-related articles. :( -GW (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ... (...) fix (...) worry (...) file. (...) Thanks for the tip, I'll run a search. Actually I think I've worked out in my mind an automatic clockwise-sorting algorithm. It will fail for primitives like studs which (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'd be mighty impressed, too, if you could do this automatically. For solid polyhedra, it's not too difficult as you can assume that the origin of the solid is within the material, but most Lego parts are re-entrent (ie. partly hollow), so (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello Jonathan, (...) I was thinking of doing that one also. Planning to strart it about halfway October. (...) Mm, too big for me right now, I think I leave that up to someone else. But I could donate the early stage of the curved track file, (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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As I promised Friday: ldraw.org is up and running again thanks to a friend of mine who installed a new kernel on hugin. Play well, Jacob PS: I have recieved a message from the Danish backbone operator, warning me that the connection to Risø will be (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad, lugnet.announce)
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(...) If you run a LUGNET search on backface culling, you'll find extensive discussion of this. Some parts (mostly done by Steve Bliss) have a "0 CW- Compliant" tag, which means you can use backface culling on them. It would be pretty amazing if you (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Heya all ! Where can I download part number 2409 and all other parts ? I need this part for my PD model for Datsville. Where can I get all LDraw parts ? (It was on geocities but now I can't find it.) Thanx. Rene e-mail: virsik@sco.svf.stuba.sk (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I performed some hidden surface removal tests today (I should have been working on other things, like the inventory file cleanup utility...) and it appears that there isn't a standard order for listing vertices in DAT files (I only tested a few (...) (25 years ago, 26-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) If a "list of what was chosen, selected or inputted as text, mailed to a specified address" sort of form result is sufficient for your uses, you needn't even do that. See: (URL) view source for the page, or copy the page to your own server and (...) (25 years ago, 25-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) You're basically looking for the same voting script that Todd uses on lugnet's cool site of the week page ((URL) right? Why not just ask him for the source and adapt it to your uses? Adrian -- (URL) (25 years ago, 25-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Yet another mini-project that can enhance ldraw.org... I remember talking about the Model of the Month feature and plans for it, but discussion fizzled. I think we can get this up and running in a few days if we recall what was discussed and if (...) (25 years ago, 25-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) [...] (...) Todd beat me to the punch I see :) Well, sorry guys for this unexpected inconvenience. -Tim ldraw.org Project Coordinator (25 years ago, 24-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Jacob asked me to post the following message... --Todd ___...___ From: Jacob Sparre Andersen <sparre@cats.nbi.dk> Message-Id: <199909241830.UAA100...ts.nbi.dk> Subject: ldraw.org down until monday To: lehman@javanet.com (Todd Lehman) Date: (...) (25 years ago, 24-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad, lugnet.announce)
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Ok, MLCad already supports color meta commands of LDLite except the naming feature, I'll try to implement this into the next version, along with some suggestions from the articles arround "Suggestions for developers of LCAD programs. But one (...) (25 years ago, 24-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Are you doing the inside curve as well? What about the points? -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 24-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hello Jonathan, After a bitter conflict I've been able to wriggle my way back again to my former workplace. I had almost no access to internet during that time, so I used it very wisely. As you may have noticed on the parts tracker by now, (...) (25 years ago, 24-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) LOL :) (...) No prob. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Patience -- how long will *THAT* take?!? :-, Thanks for the quick reply, Tim! Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) The immediate response is from me bein online when I got the mail :) - and I'm not responsible for the server... And yeah, sometimes I wish I wasn't the person :) -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) colors go (...) 0-15, 32-47, and 255-511 are LDraw-supported colors. There are a number of other colors < 100 supported by LDLite (check the documentation). LDLite also supports the COLOR meta command by which the user can custom define any (...) (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Chrome in new LCAD programs
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(...) You beat me too it, Steve :) I was also going to recommend supporting the COLOR meta command. I also suggest you support all the other LDLite colors. (I think most of them are between 17 and 31) --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com (...) (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) code. Thanks for the info. --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com ---...---oooo-----(_...o---...--- WWW: (URL) (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Tim Courtney writes: {SNIP} (...) Thank you, sir. Always nice (1) to get immediate feed-back from a responsible person and (2) not have to -be- that person <grin>. Cheers, Roger (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I can't get through either. Knowing the reliability of Hugin, it should only be a temporary thing. Sorry for the inconvenience, try to be patient :) -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Greetings... Same problem here, from behind a firewall, which I thought might be the problem. I need to inspect the FAQ and keep getting a path failure. Cordially, Roger (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Has anyone else been having problems lately getting to ldraw.org ? Pinging risulp1. and rishp1.risoe.dk (the DNS servers) times out. Please please please let this be temporary...! Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Have you looked at the LDLite extended meta-statements? Among other things, they allow colors to be defined and redefined in models. I'd recommend supporting these commands -- for some of them (probably the rotate, translate, and transform (...) (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) All the standard colors are in the LDraw FAQ. Now, if someone wants to research RGB values for some of the newer colors, that'd be very cool. STeve (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dat.models, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Since many people are asking for the enhanced color dialog in MLCad I'm planning to introduce it now. But before that I have some questions where I hope you can answere them, and help me out: 1) In general there exist some predefined colors, in the (...) (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Bram Lambrecht wrote in message ... (...) official (...) difficult (...) the (...) :) I don't think I personally have any sets with chrome parts, so I'm not sure how they appear in LEGO instructions. Anyone have a URL to a scanned instruction page? (...) (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Gary: It'd be great if your program rendered color 383 (and 503) more like official LEGO instructions rather than like LDraw/LDlite. I don't know how difficult that would be too implement, though. --Bram PS: try not to be overwhelmed by all these (...) (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve Bliss <blisses@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:37e905c6.145432...net.com... (...) Have you even opened output from the MFE into LEdit? The result reminds me of the movie Total Recall. -John Van (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve Bliss wrote in message <37e9033a.13891366@l...et.com>... (...) Yup. The simplified one I made last night is here: (URL) over-complicated one isn't on the server anymore. -Gary (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) And use the shifted versions to go CCW would be great--shift-A goes -90 around Y, shift-S goes -90 around X, shift-D goes -90 around Z. LDAO's Modeler allows A/shift-A, but not the others. (...) The color-list is loaded from ldraw.ini. Open (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Complexity also increases as over-specification increases. (...) Yes, polygons and lines should be allowed. Maybe that should be on the advanced interface, but it should be allowed. (...) Yes. (...) Exactly. And if you right-click an object, (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) For new files, LDAO allows the user to specify the type of the file, separate from its location. The type information is written to the file as part of the header lines. When a file is loaded, LDAO looks for the typing information. If the file (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Gary Williams: (...) [...] (...) Then give the user a _choice_ of interface. (...) I would limit command types 2-5 to the "extended interface". (...) The selected object would of cause (imo) always be the level referred directly to by the root level (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Gary Williams: (...) This makes sense for the editor, but the renderer should consider any LDraw file equal wherever it resides. It it also worth remembering that some parts files actually uses specific colours (not only 16 and 24). Play well, Jacob (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Bram Lambrecht wrote in message <19990921.200045.509...no.com>... (...) My experience has been that as flexibility increases, complexity increases. I'm usually quite anal about coding objects to always behave in a very structured, predictable (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Why not? I've done this when a part didn't exist (I used a box.dat for the center of the 1x2x2 shock absorber) (...) Part developers often use different colors to make sure shapes are matching up correctly. Also, atterned parts and some other (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Probably too restrictive. Most (I think) part developers design their parts in the models directory to keep them separate from the official parts. Mock-ups and crude outlines of parts should also be kept out of the parts directory. I like the (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Would it be too restrictive of my CAD program to require that all parts (and nothing but parts) are stored in the parts and parts/s directories, and all primitives (and nothing but primitives) are stored in the p directory? Models could exist (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Gary Williams wrote in message ... (...) with. Doh', this wouldn't be a complete solution, either. If the user opens a model, I'd still have to determine which external references in it are parts and which are embedded models/subassemblies. And if (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I don't see that as being that big a deal, really. And if you could have some kind of button on a toolbar for each of them, all the better. (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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My original plans called for my CAD package to distinguish among the various kinds of DAT file. This would allow the program to know when it was appropriate to enable certain editing features. For example, it shouldn't allow the user to add (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Short cuts for turning 90 degrees around x or z would be great too. (A for 90 degree turn around y axis, S around x, D around z maybe?) (...) alternatives (...) That reminds me, another good feature is the Start-at-Line option. (...) So do I, (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) If you signed up manually, go here: (URL) simply reverse what you did earlier. But if you transferred over by default from the former L-CAD mailing list, which it looks like you did, then drop me a note (just reply to this message) and I'll (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Limiting pieces (was: Re: File format for set inventories?)
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(...) Wow, that would be neat-o. I could really use something like that when planning monorail layouts. I know exactly how many of each piece I have, and, unlike, say, red 2x4 bricks, I can't just go out and get more without extreme difficulty. So, (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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This is an argument to which I've received no resolution. Please view this post and answer my questions to the best of your ability. I wrote earlier on lugnet.cad.dat.parts: (...) P.S.: My completed version (thus far) has a problem involving the (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Wow, those are some good skills. Let's see... I can annoy 450 people with one post. I can make steak so tough it will dull your knife. I can turn a swan into a block of ice(1). And I know enough about computers to be really really dangerous. (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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How do I unsubscribe? Richard Laing Vancouver, CANADA rlaing@axionet.com rlaing@bigfoot.com (URL) may be made of a Scotchman if he be caught young." Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) ***...*** (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Bram Lambrecht wrote in message <19990920.131952.509...no.com>... (...) Don't have too much to say about this one, but having to center a part in Ledit before turning is annoying. I like the "a" key function in Ledit--I haven't used any other (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: new Windows-based Lego CAD program
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If anyone out there is interested, I've uploaded a digram of the object class hierarchy I intend to use for my CAD program to this url: (URL) make me draw diagrams like this at work, so I figured I'd give it a shot for a personal project. (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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