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Re: Suspend me as well (was Susp. of Chris and Terry)
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Sun, 6 Mar 2005 01:59:37 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Kevin L. Clague wrote:
> In lugnet.admin.general, Mark Papenfuss wrote:
> > In lugnet.admin.general, Kevin L. Clague wrote:
> >
> > -snip great post-
> >
> > Kevin - awesome post. I just wish it was outside the Admin tree so all could see
> > it when it was spotlighted.
>
> Unfotunatly, given Leonard's post, it seems that all that we say here is
> irrelevent.
>
> >
> > I hope we get some sort of REAL answer to your points. I think it was bad form
> > for Larry to get such a baby slap when *even his re-post* was worthy of a
> > suspension, and others got a much longer timeout for things that did not even
> > happen on this sie. I am willing to bet of anybody other than Larry made the
> > post he made, even the repost the timeout would have been much longer. The pure
> > disrespect Larry showed for the community is just flat out horrible. Do not
> > forget Larry has had major power trips and meltdowns as an Admin before - think
> > back to BL.Just because somebody is "good to the community" does not mean they
> > will make good admins on any site - Larry is proof positive of that.
>
> Todd has been a gentleman and addressed some of my issues, but I doubt very
> seriously that any of my questions regarding the justification of Chris'
> suspension will get answered.
>
> This is obviously *not* about applying the ToU as a set of rules. It *is* very
> clearly about power and control, who has it and who doesn't. By definition
> then, Chris is defensless, even when he was framed by Leonard. The rules are
> applied arbitrarily and only for the advantage of the admins. In a system
> without checks and balances, combined with leaders who cannot even live within
> their own rule system, who knows what other tyranny we're in for?
>
> I think Larry has a lot to offer on lugnet and many other forums, I do have
> extreme reservations about his diplomacy skills and how they impact the face of
> the leaders of lugnet.
>
> I *have* been abused by Larry's power and control before. I have forgiven him,
> but not forgotten. In the end, a few years later when the word got to an
> official body that replaced the unofficial body, I was vindicated, and others
> got very upset. Larry and the unoficial committee and I came to an agreement in
> the past, and I encrouaged the official body, to not try to levy sanctions in
> the present. Of the members of the unofficial governing body, Larry's comments
> were the most viscious.
>
> I had hoped that Larry had learned from that experience, but I can tell that he
> has not. I don't blame him for being so upset. I understand it completely. I
> completely disagree with how he and others have discarded the very rules they
> expect us to follow, to win a personal war.
>
> >
> > I said it before, will say it again - a few of the admins here are out of
> > control.
> >
> > M
>
> Right now I am only aware of two. I'm disappointed in the other admins for
> letting the obvious and reckless misuse of the ToU happen as they have.
>
> Kevin
I completely agree with the above statements as I have witnessed and experienced
much of what Kevin spoke of.
OnDrew
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