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Re: Suspension of Chris Magno and Terry P
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lugnet.admin.general
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Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:14:48 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Kevin L. Clague wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Kevin L. Clague wrote:
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I object. Chris withdrew is contest out of respect for lugnet.
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Not entirely true. Chris withdrew his contest out of respect for Todd - which shows that Chris does
not respect Todd’s choices in who Todd has elevated to Admin status.
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Is it required?
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It is required that all other members be respected. Those who have
volunteered to give their time and efforts to the better good, especially.
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You require is completely unreasonable. Good luck enforcing it.
What is required is that people be treated with respect, which is not the same
as having respect for them.
Again, I will point out that Larry has been extremely disrespectull in *many* of
his posts, including the follow up to the one that got him suspended.
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I do think there are problems with the rules and their administration by
some of the admins. I believe that both are workable while reenstating
the respectful tone that we all used to use.
Was this a group vote? Was it unanimous?
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It followed the established process for suspensions. An Admin proposed the
suspension with a given amount of time (in this case, indefinite) and
another Admin concurred. In the interest of speed, no formal vote was
taken.
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Then I object again.
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Please refer to this post
about Lugnet Policies.
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I know there the policies are and would request that you do not bother to show
them to me again.
If Larry was one of the parties involved, then I still object. He should recuse
(sp) himself from managing this issue in any way, because he is too personally
involved in it.
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The Admin team is not designed to be a democratic entity, rather it’s a
‘reality-check’ mechanism whereby no single person holds absolute
decision-making powers.
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Nope, but all it takes is two to hold all the power. Not much difference.
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Chris was not suspended for his actions in a particular ‘issue’ - but for a
gross and unacceptable insult to a fellow Lugnet member.
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And yet, Admins can insult and berate sarcastically and have no warnings or
admonishment of any kind?
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I should refer you to this
post. Larry has been suspended for his inappropriate actions.
Insults and sarcasm happen all the time. It is when these actions reach
such a flagrant level that actions are demanded.
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So where is the line? That is the question we’re trying to get answered. It is
inconsistantly applied and sometimes it looks like it is abused as a power play.
IMHO Larry has been flagrant even if you ignore the canceled post. Just look at
his follow up post.
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Your objections have been noted. Thank you for your input on this evolving
process.
-Lenny Hoffman
Member #1168
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Lenny, thanks for hearing my words.
Kevin
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Message has 3 Replies:
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| (...) Perhaps I should word my responce differently. To me, treating someone with respect is essentially the same as respecting them. Regardless, treat everyone with respect. (...) Well, you asked whether it was a vote. I thought maybe you thought (...) (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
| | | Re: Suspension of Chris Magno and Terry P
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| (...) Sage advice. (...) You raise a good point there. In the future this needs to be taken under advisement if things become personal for whatever reason. (...) You ask a lot of good, tough questions in this post, and these being discussed in the (...) (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| (...) It is required that all other members be respected. Those who have volunteered to give their time and efforts to the better good, especially. On a more legalistic note, posts by Admins as Admins (using the @lugnet address) should be considered (...) (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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