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(...) Hmmm... Anyone besides me find these suspicious? The images just don't feel right... Not to mention the font is wrong... Jeff (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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I'm with you on this ... did you notice the pirate torso on the woman at the station? If it's a fake then it's a well done fake ... Could it be April 1st already? -- pn (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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That would be the most amazing April fools day trick ever if it was. They would have had to actually make some fake pieces or some some really good image enhancements. Pawel Nazarewicz wrote in message ... (...) the (...) 1st (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Jeff, (...) feel (...) You know, I was thinking the same thing to some extent, the pictures, the font, who knows? I was wondering, though, did you ever see the part in this set before: (URL) red part, the 3x3 wall part, with the window in it. I (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Hi everybody, please read the message below I rarely watch this group But i am amazed by the pictures, but the following things puzzle me 1. Since when those DB stickers come back? I thought they belong to the 12V not to 9V 2. Look at 4450 Right at (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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(...) I'm going to hope that it is real... I'm thinking these aren't the final versions of the pictures, that this is being used to test layout, colors, whatever. Yes, the picture quality is lower than what we're used to, but I've seen prototype (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Well, I'm not sure what you mean by "3x3 wall part, with the window in it", but all windows have appeared in other sets. Jeff (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I was thinking this, too. Lego now uses the "<-o->" symbol. Not to mention that the stickers are poorly applied, and Lego doesn't even use stickers for the door symbols anymore (I think, they didn't with 4558). (...) Right, too much (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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(...) Too many things point to it being a hoax, IMO. Also, While the quality is low, whoever made it, tried to make it as real as possible. The Train Logo is way too clear, while the Lego Logo is way too fuzzy... Jeff (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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(...) THis is a needless comment. If your message is worthy of reading it will be read without the prefacatory fluff. (...) Stickers can be reprinted. (...) No idea what you're getting on about here. (...) Parts can be reprinted. Parts can be (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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These are compelling arguments... :( And here I was thinking of auctioning all my 12V track and trafos to be able to but this stuff in the fall... If they are fake...the person who did this deserves a nice round of applause....and we should all make (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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Maybe we're spending too much time on the quality of the graphics. Lets look at the sets themselves. Where would those wheels on the 4460 and the gray wheels on the 4432. And the doors and windows on the passenger cars on the 4450? Those are awesome (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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(...) was (...) hoax. (...) It's (...) 4460 (...) on (...) I would really like that train to come out, But we will have to wait for confirmation from Lego if it's true, if it's true were did Paul Rutenberg get the pictures from? -- Michael - - - (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) It looks like 4450 and 4460 use the same motor to me. Looks like the new motor has two small wheels and 4 large spoked ones. I did a quick look through the train sets, and unless I missed something, I don't see a white/blue split color train (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Feel free to call me gullible, but I believe this is real. The layout of the ads are different than what we are used to, but I would attribute that to it being a Deutsche Bahn promotion catalogue, or something to that effect. At least the text (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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(...) Try <set:4563> or <set:4551> both of which command over 100 to over 200 each on the aftermarket. I am looking forward to having that part available in larger quantities. I've seen at least one MOC streetcar use this part We need to hear the (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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(...) I'm thinking 4460 uses steel rimmed (powered) and 4450 uses plastic rimmed (unpowered) with the motor unit in the tender. That looks like a glint of steel on the tender wheels. That's good news because it means we get a new size wheel for (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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(...) nice models. if they had been taken in prototype format, not mocked up onto pages, I almost could have fallen for it. :-) There are many specific flaws in the design of the pages. LEGO has style guidlines. - The name SYSTEM would have to (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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(...) It _is_ a bit strange that the red 4460 has metal rims on all the wheels, though. Surely, only two pairs are powered. On the other hand, mixing metal and non-metal rims on one engine would probably look daft. Fredrik (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) ?? <set:4551> ++Lar (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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After having another look, I am not too sure now, I am stuck in-between. You guys are going to have to connive me. If this is the True Lego picture It would be great, but why is there some mistakes in the picture. I now believe that this is a hoax (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Image quality is a big part of determining if it is a fake. IMO, at least. For example, is it just a bad scan? What evidence is there for or against this? One piece of evidence is that many of the colors are too universal for it to be a scan. (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) familiar: the very top piece looks like a 1x6 black low "fence" piece; the hinge structure looks familiar; but, the method of attaching the 1x6 black low "fence" piece to the "finger" hinges is what I can't readily dicern. (...) Gotta wonder! (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) There may be one new piece here. Consider a 1x1 plate with 2 fingers on both edges? Plug that into a clip to clip into the bottom of the rail Either that or they borrowed your unsymmetric method and we can't spot it. I would rather they used (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) this (...) well. (...) it", but (...) Alright, in front of the engine, there is a angled window. (going from the train door forward) There is the 3 1x1 tile, the 1x2x3 window with the thin slot window, and the angled window in front. Maybe it (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Listen up, people!! This is from "Someone in the know"!! :) (...) I thought they got rid of SYSTEM... Also, the red dot is too large... I'm sure Lego has premade scalable templates for this kind of thing, so there wouldn't be errors... (...) I (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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(...) Doesn't this fall under "emotional abuse" on the part of the hoaxer? Thank goodness he or she didn't release a castle. I would have to jump out of a window. -- pn (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Larry, (...) this (...) each on (...) larger (...) That's right, I was just trying to see if it was a new part or not. It is one of those, darn, I missed it sets. (...) a (...) Todd (...) Indeed. I think Todd is sleeping right now, isn't he? I (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I don't have a crocodile, but I can tell you that the type of frame without the actual Lego Train type window glass, (I have to word it just right so Larry wont be confused,) is available in #5958, Mummy's Tomb. It's red, just as shown in the (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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< cross posted to Dear-LEGO > Dear Brad, (...) is (...) Well, if it is fake or not, it sure has attracted many people, and I hope TLC sees this. This is what we would really like to see in train sets. Sets like these have the possibilities and parts (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) and I set the FUT there too. (...) Indeed. These sets get a number of things right: More subdued colors (lots of dark grey, brown, tan and green), more realism, less juniorization, additional options for power, more use of train windows, and (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) You're right -- I noticed the background in the main picture is all made out of LEGO. TLC never does that anymore. Highly suspicious. Steve (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) low (...) not. (...) I concurr. (...) ...wasn't there an artist who generated a bit of controversy when he created a mock up of a LEGO set under the theme of a WWII era concentration camp? That was kicked around on r.t.l a couple of years (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) What is with the rude comments of late? Someone can't just throw in a little meaningless statement here and there? You do it often enough. I do it, too, and so do most people. (...) Yes, but isn't that a real train company? Wouldn't it have to (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) is (...) Yet more proof: I had a friend match up the "digital points" to see if they where, in fact, mirrored. And guess what? They were! Feel free to try it yourself... Jeff (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Has anyone noticed the new link on the site? (URL) swear that wasn't there this morning :) -- Thomas Main main@appstate.edu (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) 4460 (...) on (...) they (...) the (...) Naw. Those are black model team wheel hubs - recently available in Bi-Wing Baron (thanks LFB :-) and the Twisted Time Train - with chromed edges. Ben Fleskes has an engine using these wheels in grey and (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) lol!!! You're right! I would, too, if it was more believable. :) Jeff P.S. We've still got a number of hours before the hoaxer posts his "Gotcha! Happy April Fool's Day" post. And boy is he making a number of people look like fools. ;) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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Yeah and the counter isn't working any more! jt Thomas Main wrote in message <38E4E488.3482DB3D@a...te.edu>... (...) gtfthis (...) feel (...) they (...) it (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Here's the mirror proof: I took the images of the points from the 'leaked' catalog and cut them out into separate files. I mirrored one of them. I then dropped the red and green components from one and the green and blue from the other. I then (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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(...) Nope, because those aren't spoked. However, the could be painte Maxifig wheels... (also found on the "pre-model team" classic cars, in the 390's) Jeff (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) What I see are CLEARLY spoked wheels with a single stud hub. (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Dan (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) standard image processing techique(sorta) for change detection. It's used a lot in ecological and archaeological studies with a time series of aerial photographs. You can tell what has changed from time point to time point just by looking at (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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You are both correct. Now, where's that shoehorn? I seem to have my foot stuck in my mouth :-) I still think his whole thing is a hoax. Will Lego Beach Department of Emergency Services www.crosswinds.net/~hokie (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) ...lol... yea.. simple! :-) ...Chris, u have too much time on ur hands! :-) (...) ...you can go back to ignoring me now... wubwub stephen f roberts wamalug guy ((URL) #160 (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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There's something that has been bothering me with those pictures of automated points and I finally realized what it is. The power connectors to drive the switching motor are connected to both parts of the point. One is attached to the straight part (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Andreas Stabno <stabno@megsinet.net> wrote in message news:FsAv72.EDJ@lugnet.com... (...) automated (...) parts (...) the (...) from (...) connections? The outside rails are always live (while there's power being applied to the track) - the inner (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Lighten that picture up in PSP, and you'll see that IF they are those rims, they were EXTENSIVELY modified. As in the flange on the smaller diameter was removed, most of the larger ends' flange was removed, black spokes were machine for the (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Yes, Huw, that is correct. However, why not have internal metal wires in the point? I would think it easier to make it so that the take off was from within the tie bar than to have the external connection. However, I would view it as entirely (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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If I remember correctly, lego had some involvement with that artist. The artist misled (maybe another word is better) lego such that they were shocked when they saw his creation. I know a lot of people complained. Here's what I found in dejanews: :: (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) maybe, i just tried the same analysis on the two 4 stud track pieces and i can't tell if they are the same segment copied twice or not. They are two small to get an accurate judgment. i'm a geek. -chris (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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James Powell <wx732@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> wrote in message news:FsB2pJ.JJ9@lugnet.com... (...) clear. (...) No, it will NOT CLEAR. It is on the "other side" in regards to being before the switch, but it is on the curved side instead of the (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Ya, got to bed really late last night and only woke up about 3 hours ago. This was the first thing Suzanne & I talked about today -- we had a good laugh. I hate to use the word "hoax" because "April Fool's Joke" is probably much more (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains) !
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(...) But what a nice dilemma to have! (I'd vote for 8-wide trains...) John Neal is too busy building *14* wide "G" scale cars... ;-) JohnG, GMLTC (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) It is not the same DB logo as the 12V ones - they changed it in the early 90's - the one on the scans is the newer version. It is shown more clearly bottom right of 1.jpg. Compare old logo: (URL) new logo: (URL) at the new train scans - the (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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I realize that, but what if the simple installation of an automatic point makes clearance of 8-wide trains impossible? Do we then not allow the remote points on 8 wide layouts? What about layouts that are 6 wide, but will connect to 8 wide train (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Traditional model railways with DCC control have required the 'self-isolating' points to be hard-wired so that there is power to both rails on both tracks at all times. This is of course to allow not only movement of trains independant of the (...) (24 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Christopher Tracey wrote in message <38E51BAD.B42D5DA9@w...ug.org>... (...) I just loaded this picture up into Paintshop Pro and zoomed in. I'm not sure what kind of effects JPG compression can actually have, but it is interesting to see that the (...) (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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In lugnet.trains, Pawel Nazarewicz writes: I think it is obvious that the images are fakes. It's probably an April-fools joke, and very well done. Similar someone else's, of a fake set. That was really good, he made a fake box and even took a kid, (...) (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Perhaps the 1x6 low fence is simply a placeholder, while a different part or a different design will be used on the final version? That would be consistent with the hypothesis that the "scans" are not scans but layout drafts. I wonder if it is (...) (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) No. this is exactly where you would have to connect. The outer rails are unswitched (think about it, they have no points in them, they're unbroken. If this is a hoax, the hoaxer got this right. ++Lar (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) parts (...) within (...) Yes, or that they have solved how to retrofit this mechanism to existing points, or that they wanted to reuse the tooling for the current points ties and subplate. Or that it's a hoax. To people that think I am not (...) (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Perhaps the little antenna pieces. Alan (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) is (...) Also note that they are using many old pieces that haven't been used for years, like the pitchfork and the 12v timetable sticker thing. And they have the old necklace and workman torsos. And the Train logo is of very poor quality. And (...) (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) None of this matters if this is a leaked mockup of preproduction models and artwork that was created to give a sense of what an ad would look like. There are lots of new pieces present.. motor, DCC controller, points controller, short track, (...) (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) It is against the Terms of Use Agreement to infringe on the privacy or publicity rights of others. Interpret our (mine & Suz's) opinions at your own risk. --Todd (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) Interesting thinking about this, the debate should settle down to just naysayers (if you believe the scan is real, it is almost certainly a leak, and therefor shouldn't be discussed). The only thing which (...) (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'm not following you completely. Here's where my thinking currently is, and I admit I should have thought this through before posting extensively as I now think some of that posting may not be correct from a legal perspective. I am prepared (...) (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) distance (...) Lar and others: The 8 wides WILL hit that box going through points. My DD40 cannot spur off on a set of points unless the actual yellow point switch is removes, as it ovehangs on the inside of the curve by too much. The box is (...) (24 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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In lugnet.trains, Mike Poindexter writes: Note, I will speak of a hypothetical remote control switch which just happens to resemble something posted which may or may not be a hoax and which may or may not be OK to talk about. (...) Sigh. Well one (...) (24 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.trains)
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