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The Space Nazis™ are here!
Here we see the Space Nazi Grand Fuhrer boarding the Schpiffkraft Hakenkreuz:
Saluting the adoring crowd:
Here he is, snug in the Hakenkreuz’s pilot’s seat:
After a bad landing (not really, I just turned it over to show the underside,
including the 4 V17 missiles and landing gear):
All hail the Space Nazis!
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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I like it but one mistake the swaztika is backwords. In the picture where u have
it fliped upside down showing the bottom thats how the swaztika should look
(unless u wanted it to be that way for a reason) but other wise cool.
-FLIP-
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In lugnet.space, Jason Brant wrote:
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I like it but one mistake the swaztika is backwords. In the picture where u
have it fliped upside down showing the bottom thats how the swaztika should
look (unless u wanted it to be that way for a reason) but other wise cool.
-FLIP-
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Upon further review, it’s kinda funny that the “correct German way” is only
possible when it’s crash-landed upside down. Done on purpose?
Unless you’re looking up at it from underneath, but then you see the butt-ugly
landing gear.
-nk
(will “butt-ugly” land me on the time-out list?)
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Interesting Spiffcraft®, but don’t be surprised if this theme gets a cool
reception. In fact, it’s probably illegal to display your MOC in public in
Germany (and maybe other countries).
If I may be so bold, perhaps your new faction/theme just needs a new name (Space
Facists, maybe) and instead of a “real” swastika, maybe something reminescent,
like those neo-Nazis in S. Africa who used three 7’s arranged swastika-like.
James Wilson
Dallas, TX
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at all
amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else to keep
my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you publicized
it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a different
story.
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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It is reminiscent of the fellow a few years back made Lego concentration camp
sets (created his own box artwork). TLG was appalled! Here in the USA we see
so many Nazi war movies, we sometimes become jaded to the horrors of the past.
But in Europe, they lived thru that nightmare. It is illegal to buy and sell
Nazi war memorabilia in Germany and other parts of Europe. Hence so much of it
has gone overseas.
By the way, the reverse swastika is actually an ancient Roman design. I visited
a Roman museum in Cologne Germany, and they had unearthed a Roman mosaic with
the reverse Swastika design.
I also find some Bible Lego diarama’s to be in somewhat poor taste as well. I
am just expecting one day to find a Sodom and Gomorrah Legoscape with minifigs
(NOT!).
Gary Istot
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In lugnet.space, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and
non-humorous. The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny
either. The description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The
only thing at all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres
nothing else to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing
(especially that you publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL
community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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It is reminiscent of the fellow a few years back made Lego concentration camp
sets (created his own box artwork). TLG was appalled! Here in the USA we
see so many Nazi war movies, we sometimes become jaded to the horrors of the
past. But in Europe, they lived thru that nightmare. It is illegal to buy
and sell Nazi war memorabilia in Germany and other parts of Europe. Hence so
much of it has gone overseas.
By the way, the reverse swastika is actually an ancient Roman design. I
visited a Roman museum in Cologne Germany, and they had unearthed a Roman
mosaic with the reverse Swastika design.
I also find some Bible Lego diarama’s to be in somewhat poor taste as well.
I am just expecting one day to find a Sodom and Gomorrah Legoscape with
minifigs (NOT!).
Gary Istot
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Actually, I believe that both the forward and reverse swastika (I have heard the
reverse called a sylvastika) are both ancient symbols originating in india. The
symbol is found in both ancient Indian budhist and hindu artefacts, and is the
shape (from the air) of some types of temple.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Dan Rubin
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Agreed 100%.
I see little to no play value or humor here. This is in EXTREMELY poor
taste, and sheds a bad light not just on us as AFOL’s, but also on LEGO as the
company whose child-themed toys you’ve used to spread a very adult message of
hatred. This is sad.
Peace and Long Life,
Tony Alexander
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In lugnet.space, Tony Alexander wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and
non-humorous. The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny
either. The description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The
only thing at all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres
nothing else to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing
(especially that you publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL
community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Agreed 100%.
I see little to no play value or humor here. This is in EXTREMELY poor
taste, and sheds a bad light not just on us as AFOL’s, but also on LEGO as
the company whose child-themed toys you’ve used to spread a very adult
message of hatred. This is sad.
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It’s even more sad that crap like this was highlighted. Four times...
Where’s the delete button when you need it?
-- Nathan Wells
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Where’s the delete button when you need it?
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Comments like this highlight the importance of LUGNET.
Delete it? You can’t even lock the thread! Isn’t free speech annoying?
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.space, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Isn’t free speech annoying?
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Definitely, when the speaker is irresponsible and uncivil. Freedom doesn’t mean
one can do whatever the heck one wants. The concept of Freedom must be tempered
with responsibility and respect.
JOHN
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In lugnet.space, Tony Alexander wrote:
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I see little to no play value or humor here. This is in EXTREMELY poor
taste, and sheds a bad light not just on us as AFOL’s, but also on LEGO as
the company whose child-themed toys you’ve used to spread a very adult
message of hatred. This is sad.
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An adult message of hatred?
Do you think that perhaps turning the symbol on its side, putting a cockpit in
the middle and a bubble dome on top, then suggesting that the leader of some
faction my fly himself around in it, might actually be something other than
spreading a message of hatred?
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Tony Alexander wrote:
> > I see little to no play value or humor here. This is in EXTREMELY poor
> > taste, and sheds a bad light not just on us as AFOL's, but also on LEGO as
> > the company whose child-themed toys you've used to spread a very adult
> > message of hatred. This is sad.
>
> An adult message of hatred?
>
> Do you think that perhaps turning the symbol on its side, putting a cockpit
> in the middle and a bubble dome on top, then suggesting that the leader of
> some faction my fly himself around in it, might actually be something {other}
> than spreading a message of hatred?
>
> Cheers
>
> Richie Dulin
Ummmmm....no. No, I don't. I think that this glorifies what has become a
symbol of hatred in a way that you possibly didn't realize.
Did you mean it in another way? Because if you did, I'm not getting the
joke. I'm willing to admit that, if indeed this is a joke, that I didn't get
it. I saw the swastika, and the little Hitler made out of a friendly little
LEGO minifig, and your talk of bowing before the Reich and the Fuehrer in the
description...and I don't get the humor at all.
To me, this hits too close to the reality of a hateful, hurtful time that
my grandfather refused to talk about. Whether you've meant to or not, many who
see this will see this hurtful message, not the joke you may have meant to
explore.
Putting aside the philosophy for a moment, and looking at this as a
creative MOC, again, I'm not impressed. I don't mean this in a bad way, because
I've seen works of yours that I enjoyed. But this just isn't very cool - my
opinion only, coming from a guy who's never really had a stellar MOC himself. I
think you could have done better, that's all.
Dressing it in hurtful symbology to make some kind of joke doesn't help,
either.
Though you're free to make a parody or statement, either way, I think
you've missed the mark, and this will inflame many who don't understand what you
may be trying to do. I don't want you silenced, and I don't want this post
deleted - I support the right to speak freely, whether I agree with what is
spoken or not. But I do want to point out how I, and many others, will feel
about this MOC - it seems to me to spread a message of hatred.
Just my 2 strips of gold-plated Legonium.
Peace and Long Life,
Tony Alexander
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Wow.
Is this the same guy who was built a
entire subtheme
based on another notoriously murderous totalitarian regime? People who live in
glass gulags shouldn’t throw stones.
Chill out, Junior Marshal.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.space, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Wow.
Is this the same guy who was built a
entire subtheme
based on another notoriously murderous totalitarian regime? People who live
in glass gulags shouldn’t throw stones.
Chill out, Junior Marshal.
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The current discussion centers around a symbol of hate & the darkest chapter of
modern history. A state-sanctioned doctrine of extermination cannot be compared
to a failed economic system. This is orders of magnitude worse.
-nk
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In lugnet.space, Nick Kappatos wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Wow.
Is this the same guy who was built a
entire subtheme
based on another notoriously murderous totalitarian regime? People who live
in glass gulags shouldn’t throw stones.
Chill out, Junior Marshal.
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The current discussion centers around a symbol of hate & the darkest chapter
of modern history. A state-sanctioned doctrine of extermination cannot be
compared to a failed economic system. This is orders of magnitude worse.
-nk
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Try telling that to the kulaks.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.space, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Is this the same guy who was built a
entire subtheme
based on another notoriously murderous totalitarian regime? People who live
in glass gulags shouldn’t throw stones.
Chill out, Junior Marshal.
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Thanks for the thoughtful critique yet again, Marc. The Eastern Block is an
ironic look at the future of communism (similiar to Keith Goldman’s Iron Reich,
an ironic look at futuristic fascism - but not condoning it). And while the
Soviet Union has its murderous past, so does Great Britain, France, the United
States and any other regime you can think up. And the Eastern Block isn’t based
solely on the Soviet Union, but on a broad concept of a future of communist
society that stands at odds with quasi-American PCS. The whole point is to
create friendly banter.
Still, my initial critique stands: Richie’s MOC is unimpressive and unfunny, for
shock value alone. My MOCs never relied on shock value, and always attempted to
be good creations regardless of theme.
Why don’t you chill out, Mr.Nelson? You’re making what is a thoughtful critique
into a match of name-calling. I’m not throwing stones, I’m giving my opinion.
-Lenny
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Is this the same guy who was built a
entire subtheme
based on another notoriously murderous totalitarian regime? People who live
in glass gulags shouldn’t throw stones.
Chill out, Junior Marshal.
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Thanks for the thoughtful critique yet again, Marc. The Eastern Block is an
ironic look at the future of communism (similiar to Keith Goldman’s Iron
Reich, an ironic look at futuristic fascism - but not condoning it). And
while the Soviet Union has its murderous past, so does Great Britain, France,
the United States and any other regime you can think up. And the Eastern
Block isn’t based solely on the Soviet Union, but on a broad concept of a
future of communist society that stands at odds with quasi-American PCS. The
whole point is to create friendly banter.
Still, my initial critique stands: Richie’s MOC is unimpressive and unfunny,
for shock value alone. My MOCs never relied on shock value, and always
attempted to be good creations regardless of theme.
Why don’t you chill out, Mr.Nelson? You’re making what is a thoughtful
critique into a match of name-calling. I’m not throwing stones, I’m giving
my opinion.
-Lenny
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I find Lenny’s EB works to be inspired, creative, and usually filled with a bit
of tounge-in-cheak. EB was also created by
Chris Giddens, not Lenny, though he rocks
as an EB builder. EB is part of a bigger universe too with the PCS, 3vil, Jade
Empire and others. Hey you can even check
it out here on Lugnet. You know we spacers
stick together, and well over a dozen different people have built EB MOCs, not
to mention all those that have tried there hands at the other sub-themes. There
is even a comic book with the EB in
it.
Lenny’s MOCs are well designed showing a higher level of skill and creativity
than we see most often. Lenny also builds more good MOCs, in more different
genres than anyone else I know. His MOCs are inspiring... Um, Richie’s moc,
yeah, not so much...
Lenny’s comments were to the point and as far as I’m concerned on target, and in
my opinion MNJ is just trying to be flame bait by trying to add his own shock
value.
-Jason
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Lenny’s MOCs are well designed showing a higher level of skill and creativity
than we see most often. Lenny also builds more good MOCs, in more different
genres than anyone else I know. His MOCs are inspiring... Um, Richie’s moc,
yeah, not so much...
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So, it’s ok to post MOCs about murderous regimes if you are a good builder, but
should refain if the MOC is less than inspiring?
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In lugnet.space, Samuel Morrison wrote:
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Lenny’s MOCs are well designed showing a higher level of skill and
creativity than we see most often. Lenny also builds more good MOCs, in
more different genres than anyone else I know. His MOCs are inspiring...
Um, Richie’s moc, yeah, not so much...
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So, it’s ok to post MOCs about murderous regimes if you are a good builder,
but should refain if the MOC is less than inspiring?
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Um, the EB has never killed anyone, I’m pretty sure it’s make believe... The
death toll in WW2 was in the 10’s of millions, Hilter was a bad guy, and so were
the symbols of his reign...
I’m sorry you can’t seperate reality from make believe, you might want to seek
help for that...
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In lugnet.space, Jason Whittenburg wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Samuel Morrison wrote:
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Lenny’s MOCs are well designed showing a higher level of skill and
creativity than we see most often. Lenny also builds more good MOCs, in
more different genres than anyone else I know. His MOCs are inspiring...
Um, Richie’s moc, yeah, not so much...
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So, it’s ok to post MOCs about murderous regimes if you are a good builder,
but should refain if the MOC is less than inspiring?
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Um, the EB has never killed anyone, I’m pretty sure it’s make believe... The
death toll in WW2 was in the 10’s of millions, Hilter was a bad guy, and so
were the symbols of his reign...
I’m sorry you can’t seperate reality from make believe, you might want to
seek help for that...
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Neither did the “space Nazis”. They are both fictional, and both based on
murderous regimes. How’s a hammer and sickle any different from a swastika?
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So, it’s ok to post MOCs about murderous regimes if you are a good builder,
but should refain if the MOC is less than inspiring?
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Well, not to be blunt about it but yes, that is exactly what they are saying.
You ever listen to Robin Williams go on about childbirth? (or anyother topic
really) But Childbirth isn’t really a funny topic. And most people wouldn’t
consider it a lighthearted topic. So why is the audience in stitches? Because
Robin Williams is a very good comedian. He understands the nuances of the
subject matter and knows how to manipulate an audience. He pulls the act off
brilliantly. Ever hear other comdeians go on about childbirth? It usually isn’t
funny. Such it is with some builders.
Now the topic of Hitler flying a Schwatstica shaped spaceship would require a
mastery of brick based storytelling before banyoneb should be attempting it.
If you do not understand why, then a class in empathy and history might be in
order. Better yet, check out the ending sequence of Mel Brooks “History of the
World Pt.I” That might give a clue of how to be funny with Hitler.
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest.
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Lenny, I must agree I don’t find anything particularly inspiring about the MOC,
but..
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Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
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..publicised so much? So 2 forums is too much publicity now? And is posting a
MOC here bad press now? It received at least 2 non-negative responses and 6
spotlights (more than many MOCs here), are they contributing to the “bad press”?
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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This post, however, is pure comedy gold.
Spotlighted.
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
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I’m sorry you find it uninspired and non-humorous. Actually, it was inspired by
a post you made back in April last year,
which used the term Space-nazi(1). While it would have been good to be able to
post a MOC like this immediately with a comment “like this?”, I was moving house
at the time. So it took a while longer.
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The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
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Gosh. I guess not too many MOCs are posted about on more than one site.
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(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Actually, you’ve got the timing wrong on this one. I posted about this MOC on
LUGNET first, and later posted a similar announcement on JLUG.
Cheers
Richie Dulin
(1) Although my subsequent research indicates you weren’t the first to use it.
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> > The [Space Nazis™] are here!
>
> I don't think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
> The Adolf Hitler fig isn't very striking, nor is he funny either. The
> description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
> all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
> to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
> publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
>
> -Lenny
>
> (1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
> different story.
Lenny, you are completly right! There is definitely no fun in Nazis. To many
people have suffered and died under their reign. Those victims in mind I only
can feel sorry for those who have forgotten or just don't care!
Marco
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Now that statement is actually quite interesting, not for the JLUG reference,
but for the “et al”. Would you be able to clarify what exactly you mean by “et
al” in this case?
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Now that statement is actually quite interesting, not for the JLUG reference,
but for the “et al”. Would you be able to clarify what exactly you mean by
“et al” in this case?
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There are sites designed to be adults only (JLUG) and sites designed to be
adults and kids. “et al” refers to any site that is trying to be kid-friendly.
One of the good parts about JLUG is that creations that would be inappropriate
to children can be posted there.
-Lenny
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Now that statement is actually quite interesting, not for the JLUG
reference, but for the “et al”. Would you be able to clarify what exactly
you mean by “et al” in this case?
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There are sites designed to be adults only (JLUG) and sites designed to be
adults and kids. “et al” refers to any site that is trying to be
kid-friendly. One of the good parts about JLUG is that creations that would
be inappropriate to children can be posted there.
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Lenny please don’t attempt to make JLUG something it is not. From the user
agreement: “This forum is for discussing any facet of creating with bricks but
is intended for a mature audience.”
It is not and never was designed to be “adults only”, or we would have included
such a restriction in the user agreement. We have no problem with kids
registering there, any such restriction should be on the part of their parent or
guardian. Note that “child” does not equate to “immature”, just as “adult” does
not equate to “mature”.
Note that Lugnet also has a warning:
“LUGNET and its owners and/or operators do not control or censor content in
discussion groups. ... you may encounter material which you find offensive. IT
IS YOUR SOLE AND INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY TO MONITOR OR FILTER CONTENT TO A
LEVEL APPROPRIATE TO YOURSELF AND/OR YOUR FAMILY.”
So in that regard I think it has more in common with JLUG than a moderated forum
like, for example, CSF.
(FUT: .publish cos I couldn’t think of anywhere else that fitted)
ROSCO
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I’m afraid I don’t see this theme taking off anytime soon. Not the best
period in history to be modeling. It may be that this is supposed to be a parody
much like Keith Goldman’s Iron Reich or Leonard Hoffman’s Eastern Block (sorry
Lenny, I always viewed it as a parody), but this MOC seems to have been
constructed and presented with the intention of emulating an empire bent on
hatred and destruction. Not the best thing to be emulating in a world where
there’s too much of it already.
Chris McNamee
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> The [Space Nazis™] are here!
Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
Everyone else: Don't feed the troll.
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In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> > The [Space Nazis™] are here!
>
> Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
Well that's a pretty safe bet, given it's ineligible. Go check the rules again.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> > > The [Space Nazis™] are here!
> >
> > Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
>
> Well that's a pretty safe bet, given it's ineligible. Go check the rules again.
>
> ROSCO
May I ask what contest this might be for? I'm not as networthy as the rest
of you all - just don't get the time any more. But I'd be interested in seeing
what inspired this...joke.
Peace and Long Life,
Tony Alexander
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In lugnet.space, Tony Alexander wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> > > > The [Space Nazis™] are here!
> > >
> > > Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
> >
> > Well that's a pretty safe bet, given it's ineligible. Go check the rules again.
>
> May I ask what contest this might be for? I'm not as networthy as the rest
> of you all - just don't get the time any more. But I'd be interested in seeing
> what inspired this...joke.
Relax Tony, it wasn't inspired by any contest. That was just lar making another
snide comment, based on false premise.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Tony Alexander wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> > > > > The [Space Nazis™] are here!
> > > >
> > > > Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
> > >
> > > Well that's a pretty safe bet, given it's ineligible. Go check the rules again.
> >
> > May I ask what contest this might be for? I'm not as networthy as the rest
> > of you all - just don't get the time any more. But I'd be interested in seeing
> > what inspired this...joke.
>
> Relax Tony, it wasn't inspired by any contest. That was just lar making another
> snide comment, based on false premise.
>
> ROSCO
OH, man...ANOTHER joke I didn't get. OK, time for bed. Happy MOC'ing,
everyone!
Peace and Long Life,
Tony Alexander
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Tony Alexander wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> > > > > The [Space Nazis™] are here!
> > > >
> > > > Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
> > >
> > > Well that's a pretty safe bet, given it's ineligible. Go check the rules again.
> >
> > May I ask what contest this might be for? I'm not as networthy as the rest
> > of you all - just don't get the time any more. But I'd be interested in seeing
> > what inspired this...joke.
>
> Relax Tony, it wasn't inspired by any contest. That was just lar making another
> snide comment, based on false premise.
Correct. This MOC was not intended as part of any contest or competition.
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> > > The [Space Nazis™] are here!
> >
> > Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
>
> Well that's a pretty safe bet, given it's ineligible. Go check the rules again.
The rules to what, Ross? What contest are *you* referring to?
I wish you hadn't trimmed the other part of my post, but it may not matter.
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In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> > > > The [Space Nazis™] are here!
> > >
> > > Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
> >
> > Well that's a pretty safe bet, given it's ineligible. Go check the rules again.
>
> The rules to what, Ross? What contest are *you* referring to?
LOL Larry, you know exactly which one I'm referring to, AND why I'm not gonna
post a link here. Were you referring to a different one? If so, which? Maybe
instead of the smartass comments you should get back to unskewing that talk to
build ratio.
> I wish you hadn't trimmed the other part of my post, but it may not matter.
Don't let me stop you putting it back in if you really want to.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
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LOL Larry, you know exactly which one I’m referring to, AND why I’m not gonna
post a link here. Were you referring to a different one? If so, which? Maybe
instead of the smartass comments you should get back to unskewing that talk to
build ratio.
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Maybe it was
this
one.
Yep, definitely ineligible.
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> > > > > The [Space Nazis™] are here!
> > > >
> > > > Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
> > >
> > > Well that's a pretty safe bet, given it's ineligible. Go check the rules again.
> >
> > The rules to what, Ross? What contest are *you* referring to?
>
> LOL Larry, you know exactly which one I'm referring to, AND why I'm not gonna
> post a link here.
No, really, I don't have any idea what contest you're referring to. I infer you
have an actual one in mind but I don't know which one. I especially have no idea
why you wouldn't want to post a link here. Can you elaborate on that? Why would
posting a link to a contest be something you wouldn't want to do? Our hobby has
lots of contests and they're usually lots of fun for everyone.
> Were you referring to a different one?
Different than what? I wasn't referring to any particular contest, it was a turn
of phrase.
> If so, which?
None. I think assuming I had one in mind might be a false assumption.
> Maybe instead of the smartass comments you should get back to unskewing
> that talk to build ratio.
Unskewing talk to build ratios is always good advice, but I have to wonder who's
operating under false assumptions here and who's the one making less than
helpful comments. As for my personal ratio, it's currently loads more build than
usual for me, (especially if you count creating information as well as models)
so I'm pretty happy about that. How's yours?
> > I wish you hadn't trimmed the other part of my post, but it may not matter.
> Don't let me stop you putting it back in if you really want to.
OK, thanks.
I'll repeat, more explicitly, it's my view that Richie did this to get
attention, and not for the usual reasons (1), but rather to cause a stir, that
is, in classic internet usage, to troll. The bigger this thread gets, the more
attention he's gotten.
I could be wrong of course, but that's sure the way the thread seems to be
unfolding... a mediocre (at best, certainly not among his best work, I think
most folks would agree) creation and lots of back and forth about whether it's
appropriate or not, calls for various rash actions, etc.
That certainly appears like a successful troll to me. YMMV.
++Lar
1 - to share the joy of creation when you think you've created something, er...
spiffy... (sorry!) or to share novel or interesting new building techniques, or
to tell a fun story
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In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
> > > >
> > > > Well that's a pretty safe bet, given it's ineligible. Go check the rules again.
> > >
> > > The rules to what, Ross? What contest are *you* referring to?
> >
> > LOL Larry, you know exactly which one I'm referring to, AND why I'm not gonna
> > post a link here.
>
> No, really, I don't have any idea what contest you're referring to. I infer you
> have an actual one in mind
Just as I inferred the same from your statement "Richie: Nice contest entry but
I don't think it will win"???? Larry you can't have it both ways.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > > > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well that's a pretty safe bet, given it's ineligible. Go check the rules again.
> > > >
> > > > The rules to what, Ross? What contest are *you* referring to?
> > >
> > > LOL Larry, you know exactly which one I'm referring to, AND why I'm not gonna
> > > post a link here.
> >
> > No, really, I don't have any idea what contest you're referring to. I infer you
> > have an actual one in mind
>
> Just as I inferred the same from your statement "Richie: Nice contest entry but
> I don't think it will win"???? Larry you can't have it both ways.
Sorry for the inference, it wasn't my intent to leave you with a false
impression, it was just a figure of speech. As I said before, and as you cut
away.
Apparently there is some real contest though, isn't there? Perhaps you could
tell us about it? Or tell us why you're reluctant to tell us about it? Or give
us a clue as to where it's being held so we can see for ourselves? I haven't
been reading everything everywhere, like I used to be able to, so I'm not aware
of it, whatever it is.
It's pretty clear that there is one though from your words, unlike mine, which
were just a turn of phrase. I think you're the one trying to have it both ways.
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In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > > > In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > > > > In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well that's a pretty safe bet, given it's ineligible. Go check the rules again.
> > > > >
> > > > > The rules to what, Ross? What contest are *you* referring to?
> > > >
> > > > LOL Larry, you know exactly which one I'm referring to, AND why I'm not gonna
> > > > post a link here.
> > >
> > > No, really, I don't have any idea what contest you're referring to. I infer you
> > > have an actual one in mind
> >
> > Just as I inferred the same from your statement "Richie: Nice contest entry but
> > I don't think it will win"???? Larry you can't have it both ways.
>
> It's pretty clear that there is one though from your words, unlike mine, which
> were just a turn of phrase.
OK, fine, I apologise for not being as well-read as you, and never having seen
or heard that phrase before, or anything like it, except in relation to a REAL
contest. I don't see my words are any more "clear" about the subject than yours.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> OK, fine, I apologise for not being as well-read as you, and never having seen
> or heard that phrase before, or anything like it, except in relation to a REAL
> contest. I don't see my words are any more "clear" about the subject than yours.
Unclear? Let's review...
"Go check the rules again"
" LOL Larry, you know exactly which one I'm referring to, AND why I'm not gonna
post a link here."
Seems pretty clear that you know about this contest, whatever it is, to me!
There *is* some contest somewhere which you know about, (and which you thought I
know about too and assumed I was referring to), but which you're not willing,
for whatever reason, to talk about.
Is that true or false? And if you're not willing to talk about it, why not?
Because, honestly, I DON'T know about it, and I don't know why you wouldn't want
to share it with everyone. Most contests are fun.
How many times do I need to ask that question before you answer it instead of
dodging away on side trails? I'm guessing it's on JLUG, based on nothing other
than a hunch really, (I don't read JLUG much any more, after the BDSM contest
and Richie's troll entry in that one...) I would gladly admit I'm wrong if you
would but explain yourself.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, aren't I? Just answer the
question... what is this mysterious contest, or, what is it that makes you not
want to explain about it?
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In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
>
> > OK, fine, I apologise for not being as well-read as you, and never having seen
> > or heard that phrase before, or anything like it, except in relation to a REAL
> > contest. I don't see my words are any more "clear" about the subject than yours.
>
> Unclear? Let's review...
>
> "Go check the rules again"
>
> " LOL Larry, you know exactly which one I'm referring to, AND why I'm not gonna
> post a link here."
Unclear? Let's review...
"Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win."
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> >
> > > OK, fine, I apologise for not being as well-read as you, and never having seen
> > > or heard that phrase before, or anything like it, except in relation to a REAL
> > > contest. I don't see my words are any more "clear" about the subject than yours.
> >
> > Unclear? Let's review...
> >
> > "Go check the rules again"
> >
> > " LOL Larry, you know exactly which one I'm referring to, AND why I'm not gonna
> > post a link here."
>
> Unclear? Let's review...
>
> "Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win."
Asked and answered. Multiple times in fact. One more time: It's a turn of
phrase.
On the other hand, what I asked you (which you cut away, again... why is that???
why keep cutting stuff away, what are you trying to hide??) remains unanswered:
What contest?
Why won't you say what it is?
I'm done.
I think it's pretty clear that you are dodging, and one could infer that you are
dodging because you know it's not going to make you look good. One could, but
one shouldn't. I prefer to give you the benefit of the doubt, there must be some
other reason.
But I'm done, I gave you multiple chances to answer but you won't.
I've demonstrated what I wanted to, which is this: even when I ask you a simple
question, you can't or won't answer it but prefer to dodge around.
Whatever.
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In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> >
> > Unclear? Let's review...
> >
> > "Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win."
>
> Asked and answered. Multiple times in fact.
Ummmm I only see once, but who's counting??????
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > >
> > > Unclear? Let's review...
> > >
> > > "Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win."
> >
> > Asked and answered. Multiple times in fact.
>
> Ummmm I only see once, but who's counting??????
>
> ROSCO
You guys are idiots....cap yourselves immediately for crimes vs. humanity. I
think the Space Nazis need to take both of you away.
First they came for Larry and nobody cared.
Then they came for Rosco and nobody cared.
Then they came for me...and gave me $5 and a medal for selling them out.
-Keith (whistling "It's springtime for Hitler")
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In lugnet.space, Keith Goldman wrote:
> Then they came for me...and gave me $5 and a medal for selling them out.
Only $5.00 ??? Dude, you should have held out for more. But I guess it's hard to
get a good price for idiots these days... so congrats for that.
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In lugnet.space, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote (quoting Larry):
> > "Richie: Nice contest entry but I don't think it will win."
>
> Asked and answered. Multiple times in fact. One more time: It's a turn of
> phrase.
Is it? It's certainly not a common one. Googling the phrase yields nothing, but
that might just be reflecting my lack of googling skills. Perhaps you could
point some uses of that 'turn of phrase' prior to your using it in this thread?
Perhaps you did coin the phrase, and if you did, that's cool, but it is a bit
unfair to expect others to realise it.
And why is this still in .space? I've directed FUT to .o-t.debate, but I'm no
expert in such matters.
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
> LOL Larry, you know exactly which one I'm referring to, AND why I'm not gonna
> post a link here. Were you referring to a different one? If so, which? Maybe
> instead of the smartass comments you should get back to unskewing that talk to
> build ratio.
I wholeheartedly agree with Ross on the talk to build ratio point. Talk is cheap
and content is golden. On a lego site, who talks about government trivia? Just
build something - given the amount of time to post, I would assume that the
task/ enjoyment of building isn't such a big deal.
I haven't stopped by in a while (being scheduled with school and 3d work) but at
a glance, the drama is just breathtaking. I should take it and develop a script
for Lugnet's "this is my life" dramatization. Lead roles are yet to be
determined. Maybe I'll take casting calls.
NAAAh...just let things play out. It's all good : )
Peace out.
- M.A. Hein
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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Well, I’d say a Space Nazi is here.
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Here we see the Space Nazi Grand Fuhrer boarding the Schpiffkraft
Hakenkreuz:
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Why stop there? Why not just call him Space-Hitler, or Star-Hitler or
Neo-Hitler? He’s got the little mustache already, is this a Boys From Brazil
scenario?
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Saluting the adoring crowd:
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I don’t see a crowd...you should have at least built one of those Goebbels-style
propaganda rallies with hanging banners, flaming cauldrons and assorted whatnot.
What I object to most is the the rudimentary construction of the craft. If
history teaches us anything about WWII it’s that the Nazis had (overall) the
best looking equipment. Those landing gear are so bad they are painful to look
at.
Maybe this MOC would have been more palatable to the general public if you had
featured it dogfighting with your Christ-fighter. The Star-Fuhrer vs.
J.C....now that would have been something to see.
I think the whole concept of space-Nazis hase been done better, and you are
guilty of mailing it in. See The Eastern Alliance in the old Battlestar, or
Ekos in the old Trek episode, or even the empire in Star Wars. So, Ritchie, can
we expect more mocs in this theme, or is this just a shock-post? If nothing
else, I commend you for getting Lenny’s panties in a tangle. Now I’ll go back
to reading how Stalin was a better guy than Hitler....lol.
-Keith
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Hello!
Sorry, Richie, you failed. I see the Hakenkreuz and I am not shocked. I know (or
assume) you ain't a Nazi yourself, so I'm not shocked about that, either. It's
not the first time somebody built something nazi-esque with LEGO, and it will
not be the last time. If such stuff is meant to be provocative it would have to
be more credible. And better executed.
While I'm not shocked I'm somewhat sad, though, that people still think toying
around with Nazi-symbolisms might be funny in any way. It's about as funny as
the plague or your LEGO collection being destroyed in your burning home. Have a
good laugh!
Bye
Jojo
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In lugnet.space, Johannes Koehler wrote:
> Hello!
>
>
> Sorry, Richie, you failed. I see the Hakenkreuz and I am not shocked. I know (or
> assume) you ain't a Nazi yourself,
How should you know it, Jojo? And even why would you assume it? Would it be that
the AFOL comunity is nazi free?
<snip>
> While I'm not shocked I'm somewhat sad, though, that people still think toying
> around with Nazi-symbolisms might be funny in any way. It's about as funny as
> the plague or your LEGO collection being destroyed in your burning home. Have a
> good laugh!
>
>
You hit the nail now Jojo! Under other circumstances I would spotlight your
post!...
As for Mr. Dulin, only two thoughts for now: 1) were you (or someone really
close to you) in a concentration camp, you'd never would build a MOC like this,
I'm pretty sure; 2) what does stop you from growing up? -- I don't mean, getting
old -- that everyone does, even animals -- but you see, growing up as like
becoming conscious.
In the time being, reading some Primo Levi or Ann Frank's diary wouldn't hurt
you a bit.
Cheers not,
Paulo Renato
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
All hail the Space Nazis!
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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Thanks Richie. The relative merit or otherwise of this moc aside, it brings a
tear to this old spacer’s eye to see lugnet.space getting this much posting
activity again. It hasn’t been this busy since December last year. Well done.
Cheers,
Allister
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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Wow, has this ever stirred up a hornet’s nest.
Richie, first about your MOC. You got the basic swastika shape, but little
else. If you want to do space Fascists, you have steep competition -- Keith
Goldman and Paul Brassington come to mind. The spaceship has to be great, and
the scenery has to match. If you want people to get over the shock and get to
the humor, especially on this subject, you really really need to wow your
audience.
Now, a lot of people here seem to be questioning whether it would ever be
appropriate to chuckle at a Nazi-inspired Lego creation. Hey, didn’t any of you
folks ever see Mel Brooks’ History of the
World, Part I? Did you see the “Jews in Space” sketch, with the Star of David
spaceship? Did you laugh? Be honest. Yes, Mr. Brooks was portraying the WWII
underdogs, not the overlords. But it wasn’t exactly a flattering portrayal, was
it?
In real life, of course, one should take issues of inhumanity most seriously.
And maybe kid-friendly Lugnet isn’t quite the place for the under-18 set to see
a Nazi spaceship. But I’m sure that most of you who are posting here are old
enough to know that Lego isn’t real life. Relax a little bit.
FUT off-topic.debate, of course.
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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Richie,
I’m sorry that your requests for more constructive criticism, something more
helpful than ‘not funny’ or not winning some mysterious contest, for example,
have thus far met with nothing but silence. If I may be so bold, I’d like to
offer some advice on ways I think this moc may be improved. Take it or leave it
as you will.
I’ll start with some general comments.
First of all, the photography is truly appalling. You really need to invest in a
better camera, or learn to use the one you’ve got properly. Most details are
lost in the very grainy, low resolution picture. Make it easy for us to look at
the pictures, or we won’t look at all.
I mentioned that most details are lost due to poor image quality, but the point
is probably moot considering the pointed lack of detailing there is to lose. The
overall shape, well yes, there’s probably a limit to what you can do with a
fairly basic geometric shape like a swastika, but you clearly haven’t even tried
to apporach that limit.
First off, take a look at what Jon Palmer does with similarly basic shapes in
his Alphabet Project.(near bottom of page)
By stylising the shape, adding strange little detail panels here and there it
becomes more of a spaceship, and less obviously the character that inspired it.
The appropriate level of how much of each is apparent is a personal thing, by my
considered opinion is that you’ve strayed too close to suggesting one shape (the
swastika) without enough suggestion of the other.
So how does one do that? Well, it’s all in the details. First of all, I’d have
made it a little bigger, but I understand you’re playing on the old spiffcraft
that was a fad here some time ago. This size still has some scope for
improvement.
The top surface is a little bland. Tiles and a few grills are a bit easy. If the
‘wings’ were 1 or 2 bricks deep, which would also add a bit of depth to a fairly
2D construction, you could insert some inset panels with some subtle greebling.
You could then also include some sort of thruster in the tip of each spoke. This
would suggest a spinning type of locomotion, which is unusual and cool. Then you
could get rid of those ridiculous brackets (I hesitate to even refer to them as
thrusters).
If possible, it would be cool to actually try and get the wings to rotate around
the cockpit, or at least suggest that they do.
The underside is, frankly, disappointing. I see no effort being put in here at
all. My seven year old could, and has done better. The ‘thrusters’ I’ve dealt
with above. The missiles, again, are ridiculous. You couldn’t use them for
insecticide, let alone genocide. With the thicker wings mentioned above, you
could put cool fold out panels in the outide wall of each wing (or put lasers in
two. With the thrusters and missiles gone, you can then make panels underneath
that suggest some cool anti-gravity technology.
The landing gear seems to serve it’s purpose, and no more compact solution
immediately presents itself. I’d leave them as they are.
The cockpit, from what little I can see of it, seems to be rather devoid of
detail. What, is there a set of handlebars in there? The Grand Fuhrer should
expect no less than 4 studs worth of instrumentation, and probably should have a
driver.
‘Ra! for the return of the bubble canopy.
Basically, the whole thing needs fleshing out. Bigger, thicker, more thought put
into the details, and please, please, please, better photography.
Now, as to the subject matter itself. Is it funny? If not, why not? How can it
be made funny? Is it possible to touch on such subject material and make it
funny at all? Mmmm. Thorny questions indeed.
I personally, don’t find much humour in mass mudering regimes, but you made no
mention of such policies being adopted by the Space Nazis, so I guess it’s still
open to debate wether that aspect should be considered.
To be honest, I’m not sure the idea of Space Nazis is itself the point of the
joke, if it’s even a joke at all. With every other node on the political
spectrum being turned into a space sub-theme, it’s only going to get harder to
come up with new ones as new builders try to carve their niche. It’s a logical
extension of this that perhaps makes it inevitable that the Space Nazis would
pop up sooner or later. Less a joke, I suppose, than it is a comment on certain
lugnet.space conventions. A better executed moc might have made this point more
effectively, but I can appreciate a certain amount of ironic humour in posting
such a basic moc as a new theme. Does that mean I ‘get’ it? I dunno.
All up, it’s a bit of a basic moc, but the idea is good, and has potential for
some cool and unusual ships. I encourage you to develop the theme further, and
you’ll find new ideas and improvements will almost present themselves. If the
build quality can be improved, it might even end up being a fairly popular
theme, in the same league as PCS or the Eastern Blok. I see no reason why you
can’t do that.
Cheers,
Allister
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In lugnet.space, Allister McLaren wrote:
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Richie,
I’m sorry that your requests for more constructive criticism, something more
helpful than ‘not funny’ or not winning some mysterious contest, for example,
have thus far met with nothing but silence. If I may be so bold, I’d like to
offer some advice on ways I think this moc may be improved. Take it or leave
it as you will.
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I wasn’t going to respond again in this thread. I’ve just spent two days away
from Lego, away from lugnet, sitting in the sunshine, trying to get my head
around what I may have done, wondering if it will be possible to dig myself out
of the hole I’ve made :( . I have been preparing a fuller response on several of
the issues raise, which I’ll finish and post soon.
But because you’ve actually come up with some well thought out constructive
criticism rather than just trashing me for dubious ends or just to be part of
the anti-(perceived)nazi bandwagon, I will respond.
Thanks for your feedback, it is appreciated.
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I’ll start with some general comments.
First of all, the photography is truly appalling. You really need to invest
in a better camera, or learn to use the one you’ve got properly. Most details
are lost in the very grainy, low resolution picture. Make it easy for us to
look at the pictures, or we won’t look at all.
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I agree with you on the photography. My camera is old, but at this point I’m not
able to upgrade due to personal circumstances. As it is, I have a window of
about half an hour per day where I am able to take pics this good.
I hoped I made it a bit easier to look at the pics by including them in the
post, rather than giving a link.
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I mentioned that most details are lost due to poor image quality, but the
point is probably moot considering the pointed lack of detailing there is to
lose. The overall shape, well yes, there’s probably a limit to what you can
do with a fairly basic geometric shape like a swastika, but you clearly
haven’t even tried to apporach that limit.
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I was going for something smooth and sleek, with just a hint that there is some
awesome technology just below the surface. This clearly didn’t work.
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First off, take a look at what Jon Palmer does with similarly basic shapes in
his Alphabet Project.(near bottom of
page) By stylising the shape, adding strange little detail panels here and
there it becomes more of a spaceship, and less obviously the character that
inspired it. The appropriate level of how much of each is apparent is a
personal thing, by my considered opinion is that you’ve strayed too close to
suggesting one shape (the swastika) without enough suggestion of the other.
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Thanks. I am not much of a space builder, but I am keen to expand my skills.
I’ll have a look at those.
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So how does one do that? Well, it’s all in the details. First of all, I’d
have made it a little bigger, but I understand you’re playing on the old
spiffcraft that was a fad here some time ago. This size still has some scope
for improvement.
The top surface is a little bland. Tiles and a few grills are a bit easy. If
the ‘wings’ were 1 or 2 bricks deep, which would also add a bit of depth to a
fairly 2D construction, you could insert some inset panels with some subtle
greebling. You could then also include some sort of thruster in the tip of
each spoke. This would suggest a spinning type of locomotion, which is
unusual and cool. Then you could get rid of those ridiculous brackets (I
hesitate to even refer to them as thrusters).
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Yeah. I can see spinning would be cool. Thanks for the idea. And inset panels
too (that’s what I was trying to do with the grills).
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If possible, it would be cool to actually try and get the wings to rotate
around the cockpit, or at least suggest that they do.
The underside is, frankly, disappointing. I see no effort being put in here
at all. My seven year old could, and has done better. The ‘thrusters’ I’ve
dealt with above. The missiles, again, are ridiculous. You couldn’t use them
for insecticide, let alone genocide. With the thicker wings mentioned above,
you could put cool fold out panels in the outide wall of each wing (or put
lasers in two. With the thrusters and missiles gone, you can then make panels
underneath that suggest some cool anti-gravity technology.
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Well, I thought of it as ‘anti-grav’ but yes, I guess it does need something
more to show it. Thanks.
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The landing gear seems to serve it’s purpose, and no more compact solution
immediately presents itself. I’d leave them as they are.
The cockpit, from what little I can see of it, seems to be rather devoid of
detail. What, is there a set of handlebars in there? The Grand Fuhrer should
expect no less than 4 studs worth of instrumentation, and probably should
have a driver.
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I was trying to imply simplicity in operation. The Grand Fuhrer, might not be
terribly bright, for instance, and could cope with nothing more complex than
simple scoort controls.
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‘Ra! for the return of the bubble canopy.
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You like it? I tend to think if it doesn’t have a bubble dome, it’s not spacy
enough.
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Basically, the whole thing needs fleshing out. Bigger, thicker, more thought
put into the details, and please, please, please, better photography.
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Fair enough.
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Now, as to the subject matter itself. Is it funny? If not, why not? How can
it be made funny? Is it possible to touch on such subject material and make
it funny at all? Mmmm. Thorny questions indeed.
I personally, don’t find much humour in mass mudering regimes, but you made
no mention of such policies being adopted by the Space Nazis, so I guess it’s
still open to debate wether that aspect should be considered.
To be honest, I’m not sure the idea of Space Nazis is itself the point of the
joke, if it’s even a joke at all. With every other node on the political
spectrum being turned into a space sub-theme, it’s only going to get harder
to come up with new ones as new builders try to carve their niche. It’s a
logical extension of this that perhaps makes it inevitable that the Space
Nazis would pop up sooner or later. Less a joke, I suppose, than it is a
comment on certain lugnet.space conventions. A better executed moc might have
made this point more effectively, but I can appreciate a certain amount of
ironic humour in posting such a basic moc as a new theme. Does that mean I
‘get’ it? I dunno.
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You raise some good issues there, Allister. I’ll address them (along with
others) in the more detailed post which I am preparing.
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All up, it’s a bit of a basic moc, but the idea is good, and has potential
for some cool and unusual ships. I encourage you to develop the theme
further, and you’ll find new ideas and improvements will almost present
themselves. If the build quality can be improved, it might even end up being
a fairly popular theme, in the same league as PCS or the Eastern Blok. I see
no reason why you can’t do that.
Cheers,
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Cheers!
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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I was trying to imply simplicity in operation. The Grand Fuhrer, might not be
terribly bright, for instance, and could cope with nothing more complex than
simple scoort controls.
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scoort? I googled it, but all I found was references to dutch websites about
soccer. Lar, maybe you could help me with my google technique????
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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I was trying to imply simplicity in operation. The Grand Fuhrer, might not
be terribly bright, for instance, and could cope with nothing more complex
than simple scoort controls.
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scoort?
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Look, its a typo. I tried to type ‘scooter’, but I got it wrong. I make
mistakes, okay. Some bigger than others. Much bigger (this whole thread is
probably a big mistake). This was a small mistake. Why bother harping on such a
small point? Why not just flame me for being a troll or a nazi (or both!) and be
done with it?!?
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I googled it, but all I found was references to dutch websites about
soccer. Lar, maybe you could help me with my google technique????
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Not only do we have people over-reacting to the MOC, we have people dragging in
all sorts of stuff. Face it, some people can google better than others. You need
to internalise it and move on. Please don’t drag in more conflict. Please don’t.
I’m having a hard enough time of it already, without all this extraneous stuff
cropping up.
Regards
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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I was trying to imply simplicity in operation. The Grand Fuhrer, might not be
terribly bright, for instance, and could cope with nothing more complex than
simple scoort controls.
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This sort of post-hoc rationalisation for shoddy work is more popularly known as
‘continually laying bubble’, after a certain semi-famous
thread.
Keep layin’ it(1), bubble boy. 3o:) (2)
Cheers,
Allister
(1) to turn a phrase.
(2) and I don’t even know what teabagging is.
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In lugnet.space, Allister McLaren wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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I was trying to imply simplicity in operation. The Grand Fuhrer, might not
be terribly bright, for instance, and could cope with nothing more complex
than simple scoort controls.
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This sort of post-hoc rationalisation for shoddy work is more popularly known
as ‘continually laying bubble’, after a certain semi-famous
thread.
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Well, it wasn’t a post-hoc rationalisation. But you’re saying that if I want to
imply simplicity, then I have to do so in a complex way?
Interesting, but this:
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Keep layin’ it(1), bubble boy. 3o:) (2)
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???
Whatever.
So much for your constructive criticism.
Regards
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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So much for your constructive criticism.
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Many apologies. I was attempting to engage in this ‘smack talk’ thing that seems
to be all the rage, apparently without success. Didn’t mean to offend.
Cheers,
Allister
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In lugnet.space, Allister McLaren wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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So much for your constructive criticism.
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Many apologies. I was attempting to engage in this ‘smack talk’ thing that
seems to be all the rage, apparently without success. Didn’t mean to offend.
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My apologies too Allister. You’re one of the very few who’ve posted something
constructive in this thread. I over-reacted to your ‘smack talk’ (I have a
personal connection to a ‘bubble boy’, so I tend to think using the term as a
put-down is in particularly bad taste).
This thread has been a real drain on my emotional capital, and I have been
trying to get a proper explanation together. I will post it soon.
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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(propaganda images snipped, then burnt on a large bonfire)
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All hail the Space Nazis!
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They said the sub-theme of Space Nazi
Could never be portrayed as artsy
Some said the swastika
Should be a bit thicker
And epic like Koyaanisqatsi
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here! • snip
After a bad landing (not really, I just turned it over to show the underside,
including the 4 V17 missiles and landing gear): • some more
All hail the Space Nazis!
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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note to self:
When wars like the above are going on, do not try posting anything creative to
.space - it will most likely be ignored...
Not that I’m complaining or anything, but I worked for a few days solid on my
Eastern Block SMASH and now I’m afraid it’s going to get swallowed up in this
unnecessary debate. why let a decent model slide (totally ignore it actually)
and make a huge deal over something that happened a LONG time ago. I’m pretty
certain no-one here was involved in world war II? the easiest thing to do would
have been to make a couple of gently critical posts and let this slide into
forgetfulness - most of my more controversial posts seem to have that effect on
debate!
I’m just alittle dissapointed (in myself) for posting my model in the midst of
all this. leave the man alone, he was having a joke. IT may not have been in
everyone’s taste, but it was still just a joke. I laughed. :)
Cheers, Matt
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