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Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds"
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Sat, 5 Feb 2000 11:24:17 GMT
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"Scott E. Sanburn" wrote:
> Frank Filz wrote:
> >
> > Scott E. Sanburn wrote:
> > > As I have said before, my issue is not with testing, it is with
> > > affirmative action, and the thought that minorities are too stupid to
> > > take certain tests. I have a problem with that, simply because there are
> > > stupid and smart people in every race, culture, etc.
> >
> > Ok, if the only discussion is about affirmative action, tell me, do you
> > believe that currently blacks and women as general classes of people
> > have the same opportunities as white males as a general class of people?
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> Some do and some don't, just like everyone else. It depends on their
> life choices, etc.
PURE BS there, Scott. Averaged across the board, women get paid less for the SAME work as
men (less at the higher end all the way do to minimum wage, the only equalizer). You are so
unbelievably wrong if you think it is the women's fault they get paid 60% of men's pay for
the same work.
Funny, women (and blacks) have to pay the same amount for their education as white males
(assuming at the same school of course, and ignoring any scholarships/grants), so why
shouldn't they be paid the same for the same position?
> > If you do, then what is your explanation for why women and blacks get
> > paid less for the same jobs,
>
> That is debatable, but if they get paid less, that's something for the
> EEOC to look at.
That is debatable?? You've been listening to Rush too long, bub.
> People that aren't responsible enough to raise their children should not
> have children. I chose not to have kids.
What a CROCK OF S$%&. You are being an unbelievable jerk with this statement. Unless you
are going to tell me you can see into the future and know your life situation EXACTLY in 10
years, I'm leaning more towards too much Rush here. People can be quite well off, have kids,
fall on hard times, and not have the resources to properly give those kids the preparation
for college. Is it their fault their environment changed beyond their control? I suppose if
you ever fall on hard times yourself, you will say it is all your fault, even if the cause
was totally beyond your control? I doubt it.
> > Also, please explain how these minorities can overcome the long history
> > of being treated as less capable?
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> There are so many opportunities out there for everyone, I have seen it
> time and time again. I don't treat anyone as less capable, I work with
> minorities in many different jobs, so I know they are smart enough to do
> anything. As a matter of fact, there are a lot of stupid white people
> out there.
Agreed, and if society as a whole treated people equally, we wouldn't have this problem.
Guess what - it DOESN'T. You seem to think affirmative action is wrong because YOU treat
everyone equally, and gosh, doesn't that mean everyone else will too? Dream on. Too much
time has to pass, and transitions have to be made, before that will happen. And "the
oppressive RBAMs" (of which I am) are obviously not the only problem here. Let's imagine
that every single person in the world woke up tomorrow and treated everyone else equally no
matter their race. Pay was equalized for races/sexes. Hoorah, the world is all
equal!.....let me intrude with some reality in this dream - humans seem to thrive on "I'm
better than THEM, THEY'RE different". I'm quite sure (I'd be willing to bet money on it)
that the "new discrimination" would be religion or something else picked out of thin air. In
the current world, People (note the caps, as in People In General) NEED something to
differentiate themselves from others.
So until we transition to Enlightenment, there will ALWAYS be an imbalance of one group over
another (pick the Groups of the Month).
> > And don't just answer that affirmative action is bad. You need to
> > propose solutions, or explain how your world view results in a better
> > system, or explain why the problems of minorities aren't real.
>
> It is bad, it is racist, and goes against everything this country stands
> for. What proposal could I provide that you would like, Frank? Nothing
> matters here, if it goes against the leftist mentality, no one likes it.
> I never said there are no problems for minorities, but there are
> numerous problems that everyone, including minorities, that they do
> themselves. Looking strictly at quotas and others, IMO, are bad, whether
> you like it or not. Until we can really look at the problems and issues,
> I will think that, I don't have a perfect solution, but I know one
> thing. Affirmative action benefits mostly white females. We need to look
> at the program, and decide what to do with it. Most court cases are
> ruling against it, and I think it is a good thing. Racism, even against
> "evil white males", is wrong, and should not be supported.
BTW, even with all my disagreeing above, I will note that I also chose not to have kids (I
don't deem myself responsible enough to deal with kids for the rest of my life, and simply
don't have the temperament for them), and I think Affirmative Action is also a crock. But I
can't think of anything else to transition, except...
My fix? Even more scholarships to "the oppressed". Of course, the problem is that white
males are suing, screaming unfairness in minority only scholarships. I think that is a crock
too. They are scholarships, often privately funded, they should be able to have any rules
they want on them (even if that means I or someone I know misses/missed out on them).
--
Tom Stangl
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