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In Colorado they are testing using a LEGO building contest for college admission: (URL) found on slashdot: (URL) Busse (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Also on CNN. I read it from RTL. (URL) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Today on the Rush Limbaugh Program Rush was talking about the above issue. Of corse Rush was disgusted that they were using Lego as a college entry exam. Details about the exam- Students are given a box of Lego. Then they are shown a Lego (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.general)
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< cross posted to off-topic-debate > Rich, (...) Hmm... Being a Rush fan and a definite AFOL, I can see the logic of his thinking. Testing people on the ability to build anything, regardless of how good they might be, is a strange way of testing (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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It's simple. Rush is very conservative. Conservatives in general do not like the artistic or creative elements of society, which is what LEGO products encourage. Conservatives in general also do not favor innovations in education, (of which this (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Kevin, (...) I am a conservative, and I love the brick. Stereotypes of any trait don't do justice, one that has been used in debate too much, IMO. (...) Avoiding the law and court ruling is not innovating, IMO. It is ducting the real issues. (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Note- Not all Conservatives do not favor innovations. I am VERY conservative but I am also open to hear new ideas, and to see the results of those ideas. -Rich (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Being a Rush anti-fan (I think he's a bleeding moron), I don't agree (not just because he's Rush, but because he's WRONG). Using Lego in this way is an excellent test of spatial skills, pinpointing people with the right skills for many (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Tom, (...) It might be, but doesn't have anything to do with testing people to get around affirmative action rulings. (...) So, giving an unfair advantage to people is being fair? (...) I took many classes over 5 years of going to college, Tom, and (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's why I said "in general" Obviously there are exceptions, and you would expect to find them here on LUGNET. (...) I guess we would have to look at the motive. If the motive was in fact to skirt the law then it's wrong, and probably not (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's so wrong about colleges looking for people with "initiative, leadership and an ability to work in groups?" You yourself said that those are real world issues. Why shouldn't colleges be preparing people for the real world? (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Kevin, (...) That's what the article said, which I mentioned in the quote earlier. (...) Mine was probably CAD and drafting classes, along with history. Again, I think this is just a way to get around the recent court rulings about affirmative (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Frank, (...) Yes, but I repeat myself many times: Since these people that are taking these test, mostly Hispanics and African Americans that would not normally get in due to the admission policies (I took this from the article, BTW), they use this (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're assuming that the entire reason for these tests is to get around these court decisions. What if there was a larger, more important reason -- like attempting to make testing the applicants more realistic and fair (see below)? It is a sad (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Show me a test that is fair across the board. You can't, they don't exist. Standardized tests are "standardized" for the majority, and time after time have been proven to have prejudices against those not taught to what the test makers thought (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jeremy, (...) "With affirmative action programs under legal fire, colleges and universities are searching for minority admissions procedures that can withstand allegations of unfair preferences." I am not assuming anything, this is a quote from the (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rich, and every one else out there!...Conservative _IS_ exactly that, IE, not all that forward looking. You are by definition if you look to new ideas _not_ a conservative. It always strikes me as funny that here in Canada, one of the major (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, most conservatives, in the US, are classical liberals, that do want to change a lot of things. I think we are going into different issues here. (...) Just because you are a progressive, doesn't mean you look forward either. Scott S. (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or you are showing yours, but I digress... (...) Yes, but what does that have to do with admitting minorities into a college? Business and college are very different. (...) Yes, see above.. (...) Yes, work again... (...) My point exactly. (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes: [SNIP] (...) Once again, Limbaugh shows his vast ignorance. These kinds of tests are routinely used by management consulting firms to test employees to see how well they fit into an (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To me there are two issues. The first is do we take people into college who are not necessarily the most likely to succeed. The second issue is how do you assure someone is most likely to succeed. Since I believe it is impossible to come up (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave, (...) College is a learning experience, just for the most part, not a pleasant or an enlightening one. (...) Yes, to a point. Colleges are so bad in everything in terms of paperwork, etc. It gave me a bad taste for inefficient, non consumer (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott: (...) Boy oh boy, for the most part, you just hit the nail right on the head. Anyone asserting that college isn't a learning experience is using too narrow a definition. Almost invariably, one will learn about bureaucracy and incompetence, (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) conservative (...) _not_ (...) Conservative-1, Tending to conserve 2, Tending to preserve established institutions: opposed to change. This is the definition of the word "conservative" that is given in the Websters New World Dictionary. I am a (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what about that part which says "minority admissions procedures that can withstand allegations of unfair preferences"? Sounds to me like they're vying for a more fair environment, not necessarily within the restrictions of affirmitave (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What exactly is an "academically intelligent" person? Is that a person that just knows how to get good grades? I remember many excellent students that were not so intelligent. Especially in High School, where there was a much more direct (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL I got into the most heated (pun intended) argument with a DM once because someone lit a fireball in a long and skinny hallway; the people past the "radius" of the fireball were still damaged. Unfortunately, I was arguing for what the DM (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) What I ment by "academicallly intelligent" person was somebody who excels in the traditional areas of academics, reading, writing, history etc. Not someone who can make the best duplicate of a Lego robot. -Rich (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would _disagree_ with you that the test to see how well a group of you can rebuild a lego robot is a poor test. I think that it is _just_ as valid a test as a SAT or other "grade" test, it is _not_ the only thing that should be tested for (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Must have been the first edition DMs Guide. I'm pretty sure the 2nd Edition guide told you to expand the fireball to the full 33000 cubic feet. Regards, Steve Hodge (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) And a "academically intelligent" person is always the best person to solve a problem? This is the thing, the collages have to look outside the box (outside the top 5-10-33% of students _by marks_ or _by SAT_ or by any other method that is (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) someone (...) What I was stating in the initial message was that a Lego robot test would harm the acadamically intelligent student. And it would. As have stated before that does not mean that I am content with the current system. I admit that (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rush was talking about this today on his show just before three o'clock. He mocked it as ridiculous, saying that it was a toy for four year-olds. If you know of sites or articles that speak of the value of Lego as an educational aid e-mail it (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) (major snip) (...) This is true, for the most part, and for most majors. However, for CompSci, at least at my alma mater, there was a "team programming" course where your grade depended on the output of your team. I think the architectural (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) _not_ (...) Generally when someone professes to be a conservative they are refering to their belief in conservative values, i.e. God, family, rule of law, and individual freedoms. The term conservative has nothing to do with foresight or (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott E. Sanburn" wrote: <snip> (...) I have to totally disagree with you here... We work in groups in school right now, You have to learn the team spirit and how to work in a group in order to be productive in the REAL world.. Companys don't want (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) I'm not sure I agree with this. At least not the part about bleeding. For example, if there were a Satan, would he bleed? I don't think so. Rush is certainly moronic, though. In a good mood tonight because dubya got trounced in NH. Not that I (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm just sort of picking tiny snippets to comment on... (...) I know for a fact from personal experience that a high SAT score is not a perfect predictor of college success (at a good college, where good study skills are important). Don't even ask (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Again, selectively snipping for the heck of it. (...) I agree with you, private colleges *should* be able to. But it's a forlorn hope. They provide public accomodations so they're stuck with the same loony regulations as everyone else. Even if they (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The snipper from heck strikes again... (...) You forgot advanced beer drinking, how to file previous year exams to make them easy to find, why eggs are legal only at breakfast time, why freshman lab students might want to jump their lab instructor, (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow Lar your just lightin em up huh? LOL I can see Mindstorms maybe a excuse for college application.. Because thats some serious Lego shtuff (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The statement that initiative and leadership, etc., have nothing to do with going to college is dead wrong. It's not exhibited in college as often as it should be, and that's part of the reason for the search for better processes. People who (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) This is changing. Businesses want people who know how to work together, cooperate, and communicate. While a high grade student probably won't have trouble getting a job, an average student from one school is more likely to be passed over for a (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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I am glad I read this whole thread before jumping in. I just want to say that I agree with Robert. -- Have fun! John The Legos you've been dreaming of... (URL) weird Lego site: (URL) Brunskill wrote in message ... (...) They (...) original (...) (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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To All, OK, folks, since nobody got the ideas posting on this subject, especially from me, let's see if I can clear this up: 1) If this LEGO test to determine different skills was one of the factors to determine certain characteristics that the (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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To all, I forgot, I disagree with Rush sometimes as well, with the LEGO quote, but he wasn't addressing the LEGo item, he was talking about the affirmative action issue. Now I don't need to tell a group the bias most people have against s AFOL's, he (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good points! I was pressed for time with my last post, so I didn't have the chance to explore the subject further! 8^) Dave! (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm... I just went there for classes, not much else, especially those mentioned above. Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To underscore the importance of teamwork, I will also point out that here at IBM, evaluation of teamwork is roughly 1/3 of our annual appraisal. (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well that explains a lot... no wonder you're not having as much fun in later life! Seriously, a lot of the stuff I mentioned happens at colleges where the majority of the students are not commutters... (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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OK Scott. Somehow I knew that your conservativism would lead you to agree with Rush. I suppose if Robert Bork said LEGO was a Danish commie plot, you would agree?? Gary Istok P.S. :-) - Scott was the first AFOL that I ever met, and I like to tease (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) Absolutely... although, in practice, when you are stuck with a poor team, it's really best to *NOT* do their work for them - at least my experience has shown this. Although it's possible that you could end up getting a lower grade for the (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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< cross posted to off-topic-debate and off-topic-fun, Lord knows where else it should be, maybe off-topic.scott.rant.evil or something? > Gary, (...) I would hope not! I don't like supporting communists, that's for sure! If it is, boy oh boy, I (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.general)
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(...) Umm... I think that was the point! That colleges are looking for people with leadership, teamwork skills, creativity, etc., and that traditional testing doesn't seem to show this ability in people, so they're looking in to new ways to test for (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sorry, just a nitpick: (...) I just want to point out that the single largest group that has benefited from Affirmative Action and equal-hiring legislation is actually white females, both numerically and qualitatively. What's to fear from adding a (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Lindsay, have you ever been passed up for a job because you were a white male? "Sorry, even though you are the most qualified, and out of work, we hired this Hispanic guy with no experience and a family to support because the government will pay (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Lindsay, (...) That's not what the article was about, or the intention of this and other tests. Affirmative action is discrimination, and should not be there period, whether whit females, pink elephants, or blue martians benefit from it. No one (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sure there would be some sort of scandal about the politician taking money from Danish foreign interests... ...a scandal about LEGO sets being built in the White House... ...and then suddenly LEGO branches into the nuclear arms industry... (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.general)
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Chris, (...) I still resent it, simply because others dragged my grade down. I work with people all day, every day. My performance reviews and my salary depend on it. However, in school, it is not a real situation (See above posts), and me having (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Chris, (...) Because it sets up different standards, which segregate black and whites, and other groups. There is something about not discriminating because of race, sex, etc. Isn't there? Or should we? If we want a fair society, race and sex and (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did you tease mynah birds Larry? Where did the profit come in? (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There was a bar,(1) we went to when we went on Copper Country cruises. Among the things they had in this bar were an amazing gun collection hanging in the rafters (something like over 1000 guns including some very rare machine guns and stuff), (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is that? Should the tests be designed to determine who has a good chance of succeeding at college? I think so. What if research indicates that testing 'white' people with the ACT is valid and testing 'black' people with a teamwork (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When I was a sophomore in college I had to work with a group of five other people to write a 40ish page paper. We met over several weeks and it became more and more evident that this group simply didn't have the dynamic to make it happen. I (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In that case, I think we should test ALL students at all levels on their assembler coding skills. Hey, you think using different tests for different people is not fair. Of course I'll start picking doctors who went to school in some other (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No one claims that it is a perfect predictor. Not high schools, not colleges, not even SAT. (...) SAT is a pretty good predictor. It maybe didn't predict well for you, but on average it does. And it's a hell of a lot cheaper for schools and (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott E. Sanburn" wrote: > Why is that? Should the tests be designed to determine who has a good (...) Making it so they all go to college together segregates them? (...) Should not? What do you mean should? What if it does? Does matter, whether or (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Heartlessly snipped, as usual (...) I guess I'm mostly with Chris on this one. Scott, you raise some valid points about flaws in the current system. But short of scrapping the whole notion of regulating how colleges admit people, which is my (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My college education (at the first "engineering" college in the US (world?) - Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute) certainly focused on a well rounded education. We were required to effectively take one humanities or social sciences class every (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry & all, This whole set of posting is off from what I am arguing about, which is affirmative action. I think discrimination, on anyone, is wrong, in the context of jobs, education, etc. If we test people, shouldn't everyone take the same tests? (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, if the only discussion is about affirmative action, tell me, do you believe that currently blacks and women as general classes of people have the same opportunities as white males as a general class of people? If you do, then what is your (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some do and some don't, just like everyone else. It depends on their life choices, etc. (...) That is debatable, but if they get paid less, that's something for the EEOC to look at. (...) To who? Does every job category have to have x this, y (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Frank raises some good points. But if I am careful I will find myself disagreeing with him... I think it would be naiive in the extreme to say that past history has not seen injustice suffered by some groups at the hands of others. Name an (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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To all, I am not the most articulate person in the world, but what Larry said is dead on. Scott S. (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your evading the question. I asked about "disadvantaged" minorities as classes. I am quite aware that INDIVIDUALS of every "disadvantaged" minority have been extremely successeful. My question is do you think that blacks as a whole have the (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, for what it's worth, I don't disagree with any of what you say below, though I suspect that in a Libertopia, we might find ourselves supporting some different causes. That's fine with me, I don't expect everyone to have the same (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So are you saying that in Libertopia, the LEGO test for some people and the SAT for others is ok (Larry said that using different tests for different people and different schools is ok, both implicitly in this most recent post, and more (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Driving around with a black woman in my car sure revealed this. Suddenly I started getting stopped for fix-it tickets. My favorite was when they noted a broken light on the far side of the car that they couldn't see when they turned on their (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Certainly a lot of my concerns about it fall into this category, I just want to make sure that the road isn't a suspension bridge during high wind, and that we aren't travelling in a high-sided vehicle! Richard (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. I expect Libertopia to be a GREAT place to start a commune, for example. No pesky laws about how many unmarried people can live in the same place to get in the way (although you may have to find a property not already encumbered with (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <389A0E53.92149830@v...er.net>... (...) Of course to some extent, private enterprise would probably end up involving itself if a another Hitler (oh well, we've lost the debate again) came along and a Libertopia (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe, and maybe not. If they wanted not to be that would be OK. But in my paragraph above I was talking about things that we need to do right now, and that we need to do whether or not we are transitioning toward a libertopia or not... (...) (24 years ago, 4-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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After looking at the article again my interpretation of what was said is different from yours. No students were selected for the program because they were black or Hispanic. It was an option given to students with average grade performance whose (...) (24 years ago, 4-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So if the ACT is discriminatory in favor of wealth or whiteness, then it's wrong? Fine. I agree. What about the more complex situation where it's a fairly good predictor of success for white males of middle class or greater, but not for (...) (24 years ago, 4-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) PURE BS there, Scott. Averaged across the board, women get paid less for the SAME work as men (less at the higher end all the way do to minimum wage, the only equalizer). You are so unbelievably wrong if you think it is the women's fault they (...) (24 years ago, 5-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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To this subiect, I did read a blurb about this subject, the LEGO testing, in th current issue of National Review. i won't go into details regarding this, simply because of the abuse I received in debate, but I will say it was mentioned in two (...) (24 years ago, 29-Feb-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) th (...) and some of us have no interest in digging through the American political...stuff to find an obscure reference. James (URL) (24 years ago, 29-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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James, (...) Well, I will look it up tonight, it is at home. Stuff..... Hmm.... Scott (24 years ago, 29-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks! (...) Yup. American political stuff. Not to be confused with Canadian political stuff, or European political stuff. Stuff is a great word. It can be used to indicate distaste without being particularly harsh. :) James (URL) (24 years ago, 29-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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