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Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds"
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Thu, 3 Feb 2000 23:41:28 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <389A0E53.92149830@voyager.net>...
> Again, agreed. This IS a thorny problem. You'll recall that I previously
> posed the question of how one could reconcile a desire to not have
> entangling alliances and not be the world's policeman with the clear and
> pressing need to put Hitler in his place that very justifiably saw us
> participate in WW2.
Of course to some extent, private enterprise would probably end up involving
itself if a another Hitler (oh well, we've lost the debate again) came along
and a Libertopia existed. I suspect enough corporations, individuals, and
other organizations would recognize that their own interests in the United
States of Libertopia were threatened that they would raise an army which
would kick butt (sidestepping the issue of whether anyone's butts were
saved) just as well as we did in WW II. In fact there were private
organizations involving themselves (there is an associated organization to
my religious denomination which got its start helping Jews and others escape
Nazi Germany). I also think that the level of our response when it became
clear that the nation needed to get involved is an example that the
involvement would happen (I'm sure there were dissenters, but I think far
fewer than in any war since, and the whole nation pulled together [for the
most part] to create a single economic machine which poured weapons and
supplies into the fray). I think this occured because we collectively
recognized that our basic freedoms were at stake. I think this happened to a
lesser extent with the Gulf War (while oil was a major part of why we
bothered to get involved, I think the average person supported the war
because it was clear that allowing one country to just up an annex another
country was ultimately a danger to us, and certainly not playing fair). I
also see nothing wrong with involving ourselves if imported goods which we
are dependant on get threatened, however the method of involvement probably
should not be a government issue (until it is clear that our national
sovereignity is at stake).
> I didn't have an answer to that question and I don't
> have an answer to the question of how to make it up to the Indians for
> what we as a nation did. Clearly our current approach via the BIA isn't
> working.
> I would offer two things: first, we need to go and undo the most
> egregious usurpations of property where we can untangle what was done,
> and second, we need to allow Indian nations to BE soverign nations as we
> promised. That means that if an Indian nation comes up with an
> innovative way to raise money such as enabling casinos, selling cigs
> free of tax or any one of a hundred other mechanisms, our current
> approachs of allowing only some and regulating the rest must be replaced
> with a hands off approach.
Of course in Libertopia, one would be able to run casinos, sell cigs, or
whatever without government regulation. I suspect many Native Americans
would end up chosing to be part of the US if we were a Libertopia.
Frank
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| (...) Maybe, and maybe not. If they wanted not to be that would be OK. But in my paragraph above I was talking about things that we need to do right now, and that we need to do whether or not we are transitioning toward a libertopia or not... (...) (24 years ago, 4-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Agreed. I expect Libertopia to be a GREAT place to start a commune, for example. No pesky laws about how many unmarried people can live in the same place to get in the way (although you may have to find a property not already encumbered with (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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