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Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds"
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Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:02:24 GMT
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Frank Filz wrote:
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> Scott E. Sanburn wrote:
> > As I have said before, my issue is not with testing, it is with
> > affirmative action, and the thought that minorities are too stupid to
> > take certain tests. I have a problem with that, simply because there are
> > stupid and smart people in every race, culture, etc.
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> Ok, if the only discussion is about affirmative action, tell me, do you
> believe that currently blacks and women as general classes of people
> have the same opportunities as white males as a general class of people?
Some do and some don't, just like everyone else. It depends on their
life choices, etc.
> If you do, then what is your explanation for why women and blacks get
> paid less for the same jobs,
That is debatable, but if they get paid less, that's something for the
EEOC to look at.
> and blacks in particular are
> underrepresented in better paying jobs, as a percentage of blacks?
To who? Does every job category have to have x this, y that, etc.? What
do you want, Frank?
> If the reason is that their families don't step up to the plate to
> properly encourage them, what is your proposal to give the kids the
> opportunities their parents don't?
People that aren't responsible enough to raise their children should not
have children. I chose not to have kids.
> Also, please explain how these minorities can overcome the long history
> of being treated as less capable?
There are so many opportunities out there for everyone, I have seen it
time and time again. I don't treat anyone as less capable, I work with
minorities in many different jobs, so I know they are smart enough to do
anything. As a matter of fact, there are a lot of stupid white people
out there.
> I think this DOES have an impact.
Well, I can't change human behaviors, I can only act and influence
others. I don't, I think it is stupid for people to do that.
> I
> think the greatest indicator for success is the level of success of
> one's parents. If one's parents (or their parents, or their parents)
> were slaves (in the case of blacks), how do you expect to break the
> chain WITHOUT doing something for them that you don't do for whites?
Slavery ended, what, about 150 (give or take) ago? There are programs
out there, go to Flint, Michigan, and ask. I know there are. What do
suggest, BTW, Frank?
> And don't just answer that affirmative action is bad. You need to
> propose solutions, or explain how your world view results in a better
> system, or explain why the problems of minorities aren't real.
It is bad, it is racist, and goes against everything this country stands
for. What proposal could I provide that you would like, Frank? Nothing
matters here, if it goes against the leftist mentality, no one likes it.
I never said there are no problems for minorities, but there are
numerous problems that everyone, including minorities, that they do
themselves. Looking strictly at quotas and others, IMO, are bad, whether
you like it or not. Until we can really look at the problems and issues,
I will think that, I don't have a perfect solution, but I know one
thing. Affirmative action benefits mostly white females. We need to look
at the program, and decide what to do with it. Most court cases are
ruling against it, and I think it is a good thing. Racism, even against
"evil white males", is wrong, and should not be supported.
Scott S.
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| (...) Your evading the question. I asked about "disadvantaged" minorities as classes. I am quite aware that INDIVIDUALS of every "disadvantaged" minority have been extremely successeful. My question is do you think that blacks as a whole have the (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds"
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| (...) PURE BS there, Scott. Averaged across the board, women get paid less for the SAME work as men (less at the higher end all the way do to minimum wage, the only equalizer). You are so unbelievably wrong if you think it is the women's fault they (...) (24 years ago, 5-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Ok, if the only discussion is about affirmative action, tell me, do you believe that currently blacks and women as general classes of people have the same opportunities as white males as a general class of people? If you do, then what is your (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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