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Technic / 4656

Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Dave Forrest

Im not too thrilled with all this new lego crap comming out. First its the Cyber junk, then the Robo/ThrowBott crap, and now this Bionicle mess. Whats with all these crappy new lego pieces? "Who are the ad wizards who came up with this one?" Wanna (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Tobbe Arnesson

I hear ya'! I think _some_ studless pieces might be alright, but whole set's without studs and only specialized pieces? I got two Power Pullers on sale recently. It has some valuable pieces but what am I going to do with all those engine elements??? (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Ronald Vallenduuk

Gee, I didn't even know half that crap existed..... Add to the make-us-happy-set a V12 with the old cylinders and ten 24x43 solid wheels.... And for the second release the old threads (like in 856) or a worthy successor. As for beams, I've heard of (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Steve Lane

(...) No your completely wrong its 20 wheels(or two sets) containing 20x30 solid wheels. (I already have 10, 24x43 wheels I got two the other day for £2). Steve (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Ronald Vallenduuk

"Steven Lane" <Steveroblane@aol.com> wrote in message news:GCBB54.L67@lugnet.com... (...) You lucky b******! ;-) Just about to buy 38 wheels (20x30 and 24x43 mixed) for £55.... Duq (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Steve Lane

(...) Your buying 38 wheels and calling me a lucky B******! you lucky B******! If any of 20x30's aren't needed I'd certainly be interested :-) Steve (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Gaurav Thakur

(...) LOL...flamewar time... :-) I tend to stick with the 8857/8880 (81.6 x 34 ZR) wheels a lot, but that's probably only because I have a lot of those... -Gaurav Thakur, raving madman Can be reached at cp5670@supermail.com (URL) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Steve Lane

(...) Funnily enough I was just admiring that style of wheel last night. Slartybartfast (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Ray Kremer

We need a new group, lugnet.technic.hatea...ssince1998 I can understand people who don't go for the action-figury sets, they are pretty darn untraditional for Lego, but to disregard all these fun sets just because they aren't all boxy? (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego purist if you will but... —Scott Sanburn

To All, (...) Well, speaking as someone who is seeing decline of sets in all themes, from town to TECHNIC sets, I think I can understand the frustration. Throwbots and Bionicles are not really what I think of as TECHNIC sets, and th econtinuing (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego purist if you will but... —Gaurav Thakur

(...) I thought that the cyber slam sets weren't that bad but the throwbots/roboriders/bionicles are quite pathetic in my opinion. I thought that the Technic line was certainly moving in the right direction until some of the 1999 sets and the 2000 (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego purist if you will but... —Darren Chapman

"Gaurav Thakur" <cp5670@supermail.com> wrote in message news:GCB8Iy.Dx0@lugnet.com... [snip] (...) Cool! I haven't seen this before - when was this announced? Lugnet doesn't have a picture yet but there is an image at (URL) assume we will see this (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego purist if you will but... —Andrew Bissell

Any guesses on how much money The Lego Group would make, overnight! if they re-released the JCB set, the old red tractor or the original test car or indeed any of the many other fantastic technic sets there used to be? I used to have these sets as a (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego purist if you will but... —Bob Sardelli

While I agree that the Technic sets of late are slightly dumbed down from previous advanced sets I don't think we can condemn TLG as a whole. It seems that the ingenuity that went into sets like 8880 is now being spent on Mindstorms. And you have to (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego purist if you will but... —Jonathan Wilson

(...) I too think these parts are garbage and I refuse to allow any more of them into my collection, however good the rest of the set may be. (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego purist if you will but... —Ray Kremer

(...) hate: (...) into my (...) I guess you have to be an old-school Technic collector to hate those, I rather like them. They are extremely effective on the 8448, for which they designed apparently: "Most of the Coventry concepts had body panels, (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego purist if you will but... —Ronald Vallenduuk

"Andrew Bissell" <ABNews@tesco.net> wrote in message news:GCB9Mr.H6A@lugnet.com... <snip> (...) with all that plastic.... Isn't next year the 25th anniversary of Technic? I think it was '77 when 850-853 were released. How about LEGO do a limited (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego purist if you will but... —Andrew Bissell

What a top set that would be Duq. But how about 8850 truck and 8862 JCB. Perhaps each limited edition issue could be a collection of types of model. Set no 1 could include the parts for all of the super size cars, Set 2 for all of the planes, set (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego purist if you will but... —Simon Bennett

(...) Perhaps a more manageable idea (less pieces per bag) would be to organise by colour so: black - 8880, 8860, 8868, 8412 red - 851, 853, 8440, 8837, 8851, 8865 yellow - 850, 852, 856, 8459, 8460, 8828, 8862, 8853 Put me down for one of each - no (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego purist if you will but... —John Matthews

<snip> (...) bet (...) I would like one of those! Build On! John Matthews (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Ronald Vallenduuk

"Ray Kremer" <rkremer@bradley.edu> wrote in message news:GCB6B6.8pr@lugnet.com... (...) just (...) Nothing wrong with action-man sets. I really like 8286. Not because of the figures though... Duq (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Ray Kremer

(...) I was referring to Throwbots/Slizer, RoboRiders, and Bionicle. Sets like 8286 still have a traditional Technic model even if you junk the figures. Now, are the Throwbots/Slizer, RoboRiders, and Bionicle real Technic sets? Of course not. Lego (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —David Arnon

(...) That's my feeling exactly. That's why I think the bionicles/slizer/etc. sub groups should be taken out of the Technic news group. - David (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Jennifer Clark

(...) Ack ack ack! How can you say this? :-) I have used quite a few of those pieces in pretty useful ways, and the corrugated tubes are brilliant if you are into making your models look realistic. The cab on my excavator would be nothing without (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Steve Lane

In lugnet.technic, Jennifer Clark writes: The fairings also look the part on the mobile crane as well I think: (...) which is so much better? Steve (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Jennifer Clark

(...) Unfortunately not, as this crane is now kaput. I was still relatively sane when I built that crane, long before the "buy a whole set for one part, the others will come in useful for something" bug came over me, although it has to be said that (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Dave Forrest

LMAO! "buy a whole set for one part, the others will come in useful for something" bug came over me," I bought 3 Silver Champion sets from wal-mart when they were priced at 80.00 each. I thought i was the only one :+) (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Micah J. Mabelitini

(...) are *not* junk. The corrugated tubes are extremely useful, not only for decoration but for constructing flexible articulated touch bumpers in robots. Many of the Throwbot joints and liftarms have superfluous decorative characteristics, but are (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —David Eaton

(...) I honestly agree-- they've mostly got their uses, although I do agree further that making sets SOLELY out of these pieces is kinda annoying-- too many of these pieces can get on your nerves... (...) don't need more than, say, 2, although I (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Micah J. Mabelitini

(...) Agreed. The majority of these elements aren't primarily structural elements, and to sell us models constructed entirely out of them is extremely irritating. (...) I've honestly never used them for anything, but I've seen some interesting (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Ray Kremer

I think it's a mistake to assume that the ThrowBot parts are SUPPOSED to be useful in real Technic sets. Certainly the disc and throwing arm are purely for pleasing the kiddies, there's absolutely nothing else you could do with them. The arm/leg (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Micah J. Mabelitini

(...) Doesn't that go against the very nature of LEGO? If you can't use the parts to build anything but the original Throwbot model they came with (or a Throwbot MOC), then what business do these ultra-specialized parts have being treated like part (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Ray Kremer

(...) MOC. (...) Yeah, actually it does. The techbots are more like Lego-spinoffs than actual Lego sets. Not-Lego sets that happen to be made by Lego corp. I don't think Lego themselves minds that though. They wanted to see if they could be (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

RE: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Ralph Hempel

<snip>....Znap was another radical new direction, and those failed. ZNAP was LEGO? I thought that it was just a way to disguise the gear motor, battery box, and flex-shafts in a discount aisle.... Seriously though, I think that ZNAP was not quite (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

RE: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —John Barnes

(...) I think ZNAP was an exciting departure for Lego. I am only sorry to see it effectively withdrawn before it had a chance. And I hope, like Ralph appears to, that it may not have been the end. If you compare todays ZNAP parts with original Lego (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Steve Lane

(...) I always thought ZNAP was Lego's answear to K'nex (spit!), which is probably why it failed, nobody want's either. Of course K'nex is a huge failure, shame the people who make it (and the people who buy it) haven't realised that yet! :-). Steve (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

RE: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Ralph Hempel

(...) Check out (URL). This is an Australian company that has built a sizeable market in providing science workshops to school children using, among other things, K'NEX Sure, they might have tried LEGO, but they way kids in classrooms treat any (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

RE: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Bram Lambrecht

(...) For $99, you can buy an 8x4 foot roller coaster or a 5 foot tall Rube Goldbergian ball machine. (I have both, and they're both quite cool) K'Nex definitely has it's pros, especially for large constructions. And the parts are even more of a (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Steve Lane

(...) I'd be the first to admit that I should give up anti Bionicle and anti K'nex rants and go a get a life but I can't beleive you and Ralph Hemple defending this cr*p. (Incidentally I intend to get a life once I've got some more bricks at this (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

RE: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Bram Lambrecht

If you decide to make this thread any longer, please change the group... (...) K'nex and LEGO are meant for different types of building, IMO, so one does not exclude the other. (...) Hah! I've used clone bricks if I can't tell the difference at a (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Steve Bliss

(...) Or $35 each, at after-Christmas sales. :) :) Actually, one thing that K'nex (the company) is doing right is to reissue their 'classic sets'. The Roller Coaster and the Big Ball Factory reappear on store shelves every year, right around (...) (24 years ago, 26-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Micah J. Mabelitini

(...) But it's not that simple. LEGO's marketing and development as of late isn't simply a new avenue of exploration, but rather an abandonment of their ideals. It would be like if Caddilac started manufacturing riding lawn mowers, cut back (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Steve Lane

(...) I couldn't agree more. (...) Your completely right, who's ever tried to compete by bringing out a WORSE product than they already make (admittedly still much better than the competion's product). Steve (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —David Arnon

(...) I'm not sure that's true. If you ask me the efforts put into creating Slizer/Bionicles/whatever are to a large extent on the expense of decent Technic sets. Just look at the leading models of the last decade: 1988: <set:8865>, <set:8855> 1989: (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Simon Bennett

(...) And even more so for those of us who don't work with programming things in everyday life and don't want to have to buy super-expensive sets, learn a coding language or even buy a decent computer to play with Lego. Psi (24 years ago, 26-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Miguel Agullo

(...) The projectiles make great legs for multi-legged robots. The rubber tip offers optimal grip on all sorts of surfaces. (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Dave Forrest

Bah! I wish LEGO would just release the 8880 SuperCar and the SpaceShuttle for 2001. hell, just release the parts in a BAG, with no instructions. (online only) R & D for new design ....... $0.00 Packaging ......... $0.05 I bet they would the BEST (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Scott Sanburn

To All, The parts that were listed, some are useful, some are not, depending on the person (Which is a huge part of LEGO anyway), I would like to see some old sets come out again or at least some new sets using those design criteria, complicated (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Miguel Agullo

(...) ??? (...) One word: Ebay. (...) You forget distribution (...) You think so? Maybe online, but it would still be a niche market (how many Technic Lugnet users?). Lego produces very cool stuff, but it does so in enormous quantities. I understand (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Thomas Avery

Yep, I'm not too happy either. So, I propose we come up with something to call these parts (the ones collecting dust at the back of our collection). UTP: useless Technic parts SSTP: stuipidly specialized Technic parts HISUTEP: highly specialized (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Lawrence Wilkes

"Thomas Avery" <tanyatj@texas.net> wrote in message news:GCBDux.5v0@lugnet.com... (...) C.R.A.P: Creativity Removed Assembly Parts regards lawrence (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Koen Jordens

(...) and let me add the bionicle body part to that. it would be great if that one would have been build out of axles and beams instead of being one piece of plastic. Koen (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Tom Heverly

I kinda like the cannons, I wish I could find about another half dozon of them for a reasonable price. (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Juergen Stuber

(...) That certainly makes it easier to fire multiple shots, but I only got one (from 8008 in a nice black color), so, anybody got a reloading mechanism for robots? The first one in (URL) quite useful for robot arms, the gearbox I don't know, but (...) (24 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic, lugnet.robotics)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Tobbe Arnesson

(...) I just built the 8446 Monster Crane Truck and I say we just have to learn to use these new parts! I'm truly amazed... Must be one of the best Technic set's from 1999. To bad it looks like something out of a bad Mars movie though... I think (...) (24 years ago, 26-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Jennifer Clark

(...) Indeed, if the green bits were replaced with white it would remind me of one of the Eagle spaceships from Space 1999. A bad Moon series as opposed to bad Mars movie - close enough I think :-) I am still not convinced this is an entirely bad (...) (24 years ago, 26-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Tobbe Arnesson

(...) Not entirely a bad thing but I've been looking in to alot of harvesters for forest use lately and I guess this one is supposed to be some sort of hartvester/lumber crane. (...) Also very clever use of the bent beams to secure things. My (...) (24 years ago, 26-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Darren Chapman

"Jennifer Clark" <jen@vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk> wrote (...) I am the only one here who didn't like this model? I picked it up < half price but still rate it as one of my least fave sets (well, out of the ones I own anyway). Only really good points (...) (24 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Tony Priestman

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Jennifer Clark (<3AE83CC5.1C8501F1@...e.dmem.str ath.ac.uk>) wrote at 15:20:37 (...) But only a creative use of a bad part. If they didn't make so many bad pieces that they can *only* find 'creative' uses for, the sets would (...) (24 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Jennifer Clark

(...) I have wondered about this occasionally, as admittedly I have yet to find any use for these parts in my own creations, but I most often end up thinking it is due to my mindset being locked in the "old ways" rather than the parts being (...) (24 years ago, 30-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Tony Priestman

On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Jennifer Clark (<3AED4F3D.37EA4C7D@...e.dmem.str ath.ac.uk>) wrote at 11:40:45 (...) Ahh, but traditionally, the old ways are the best ways ;-) From a psychological point of view, it's probably easier to imagine that a uniform (...) (24 years ago, 30-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Steve Lane

(...) I have to diasagree the part that lets you join connectors or axles at right angles has opened new dimensions for me in compact suspension design. (...) I've used that analogy myself several times :-). Steve The part in question is the 6536 (...) (24 years ago, 30-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Gaurav Thakur

(...) Agreed! I think that this was the only 1999 set that could stand up to some of the sets from previous years...it has a lot of functionality integrated into a relatively small unit. And yeah, it is a very good example of the fact that high (...) (24 years ago, 26-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Call me a Lego pureist if you will but... —Ray Kremer

(...) Yeah. For how good a set that is I'm surprised it was a Shop at Home exclusive, therefore relegating it to "lesser-known" status. (24 years ago, 26-Apr-01, to lugnet.technic)