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Re: Star Wars ruminations (was: Reality == fiction?)
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Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:48:00 GMT
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In lugnet.starwars, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.starwars, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> > Not in light of how you equated Jar-Jar to sea food and MS. The only
> > problem that I had with that note, was that you said the essense of your
> > hate is that you wanted to limit as much as possible your exposure to those
> > things. Except in your last paragraph you indicated tha you wanted an
> > increased exposure to Jar-jar as long as he was being abused.
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> I didn't think I said that. I thought I said that the cartoon violence aimed
> at JJB was sort of a pleasant thing in fantasy sort of way -- in the way that
> allows you to pretend that JJB won't return for Episode II. I certainly don't
> wish to *increase* my exposure to anti-JJB propaganda or humour (and Lord knows
> there's plenty of that out there on the net that someone could fill their time
> up with if they wanted to).
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> > Do you want to see lobsters abused? (Somehow I doubt it.)
>
> No. It's not lobsters' fault that they smell like seafood. :-)
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> > > Now I know how to say this: What I hate isn't Jar-Jar per se, but the fact
> > > that a character like Jar-Jar, which I find annoying to the point of being
> > > painful, appeared as a major character in a Star Wars movie.
> >
> > Except for the degree, I just can't call it painful, I agree completely.
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> The nice thing about pain is that you can get numb to it over time. I think
> if I forced myself to watch TPM once a week, I'd get numb about JJB. :-)
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>
> > [...]
> > On a side note, was he the only thing abut TPM that degraded the concept of
> > "Star Wars Movie" in your mind?
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> The metallic battle droid voices and phrases like "Roger, Roger" degraded it
> a bit for me. The loud fart degraded it for me. The Midichlorian business
> degraded it a bit for me. I'm hoping that Anakin turns out to be a clone
> experiment -- not conceived by the Midichlorians. The smooth, polished Naboo
> ships kinda degraded it for me. I think Doug Chang is a total genius and I
> understand Lucas's desire to have a completely different look, but it didn't
> "feel" like a SW movie as much with the less "geometric" ships. I hope that
> Episode II and III return to a more Jeff Johnston style of ships. Some of the
> voices and fake accents bothered me too.
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> > I wonder how much of the brunt of anger
> > based in a whole bunch of stupid stuff in TPM, that one character bears.
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> For me, JJB is about 90% of it.
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> --Todd
I think that the movie was also degraded by the "super-powers" of Qui-Gon and
Obi-Wan. Lucas would put his characters in a particularly tight spot, and then
have then overcome the situation by an introduction of incredible abilities.
Ex:
Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are cornered in a corridor by Droidekas firing rapidly.
Solution: They run at warp speed down the hall-way in what I humbly consider as
the worst bit of special effects in the whole series.
Ex:
Obi-Wan falls oh, say 80 feet or more and lands on his shouler without so much
as a dislocation, and then takes a super-leap back up to the top. I've seen
less cheese in old Super-Friends cartoons.
Ex: Obi-Wan is hanging in the abyss...Darth Maul is toying with him (ah...the
time-honored and always fresh plot device of having villains toy with their
victims just long enough to be out-witted by said victims), and Obi-Wan
levitats, nails a somersault, and slices Maul in half, *and* does it at the
speed of syrup being poured. I think that it would have been more reasonable
for him to just activate that lightsaber by the force and have it cut off Darth
Maul's feet or something.
But, you say, even Yoda levitated an X-Wing. Yes, but it was not effortless.
By all previous accounts (save that silly scene when Luke falls into the carbon
chamber), Jedis were able to project mind-over-matter with skill and
concentration, not as a matter of course. Yes, they could act relatively
quickly in the moment to manipulate matter, but that wasn't really the crux of
their powers. Lucas over-used their abilities in TPM as a convenient plot
device; no subtelty. Got yourself in a bit of a plot conondrum? No problem.
Just stretch the abilities of your characters and barrel right on through.
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| Just to throw my two cents into the fray... While I agree the running away was a lousy special effect, I think I understand where GL was coming from with the super power effects. As I've gleaned from the various bits of written fiction, there were (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| (...) I have to disagree with this. I have always thought that in the original trilogy, the Jedi didn't make enough use of their powers. Jedi are supposed to be able to do most anything and yet they barely use their powers. I think the main reason (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| (...) then (...) While the technology in Games is usually junk most of the Star Wars games Story's fit perfectly into the cannon material. So in Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight (DF2JK) the main character has: (...) as (...) Force Speed (...) Force Jump (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| (...) I didn't think I said that. I thought I said that the cartoon violence aimed at JJB was sort of a pleasant thing in fantasy sort of way -- in the way that allows you to pretend that JJB won't return for Episode II. I certainly don't wish to (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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