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Subject: 
Plagarism in Fantasy Novels? (was Re: Harry Potter?)
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Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:01:47 GMT
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In lugnet.castle, Mark James writes:
In lugnet.castle, Dave Schuler writes:
I haven't read any of these cultishly popular books, so I'm in no position
to judge or make other comment, but what do Potter fans make of this:

http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/gma/goodmorningamerica/gma010320_potter_suit.html

An extremely odd coincidence, at any rate!


The author NK Stouffer's website - www.realmuggles.com - has a list of
infringement examples which includes such uncanny shared attributes as...

mythical place - perhaps those old Greek guys should sue too?
muggle families - what, they *breed*?
muggle village - what, they live in *communities*?
boats travel across lake - hey, *moving* boats?
castle on cliff - wow, no-one's ever thought of building one there before
flagstone floors / great hall - strange things to find in a castle
characters dressed in tights / quill pens and parchment / underground caves
/ and on, and on, and on...

The format was nailed down into a cod-medieval/'age of chivalry' milleau
(with a few Nordic bits and Christian allegory) by Tolkien and the Inklings.
No-one has significantly deviated from this.

I'd say the genre predates Tolkien and co. (see, e.g., _The Worm Ouroboros_ by
E.R. Eddison).  Tolkien is the archetype for much later s&s fantasy--notice
blatent use of orcs (you can barely argue a medieval precedent), his spelling
of dwarfs, etc.

But all this can't be what Bruce was referring to before about _The Sword of
Shannara_ as fantasy plagarism, since that novel is almost unique (in my
experience at least) as being a fantasy novel set on a post-nuclear-apocalyptic
Earth.  On the other hand, I might argue that Terry Brooks plagarizes
*himself*, since his Shannara books get very, very repetitive. . .

TWS Garrison



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  Re: Plagarism in Fantasy Novels? (was Re: Harry Potter?)
 
"TWS Garrison" <tgarriso@math.purdue.edu> wrote in message news:GAKFqz.58w@lugnet.com... (...) position (...) caves (...) Inklings. (...) Ouroboros_ by (...) fantasy--notice (...) spelling (...) of (...) post-nuclear-apocalyptic (...) As opposed to (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Plagarism in Fantasy Novels? (was Re: Harry Potter?)
 
(...) What about Thundarrrrrr the Barbarian and his Fabulous Sun Sword? Dave! (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Plagarism in Fantasy Novels? (was Re: Harry Potter?)
 
(...) I wasn't saying that JR invented the genre, rather that he defined it for the vast majority of authors. Middle Earth *is* the template and yardstick for pretty much everything. I don't know the origin of 'orc' - tell me! - but I wouldn't have (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Plagarism in Fantasy Novels? (was Re: Harry Potter?)
 
(...) Lord Dunsany would be another, Fritz Leiber, Robert E. Howard, though none in quite the same style. (...) Lin Carter (terrible author, but great editor whom revived such authors as Eddison and Dunsany) very specifically reviled The Sword of (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) The author NK Stouffer's website - www.realmuggles.com - has a list of infringement examples which includes such uncanny shared attributes as... mythical place - perhaps those old Greek guys should sue too? muggle families - what, they (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.castle)

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