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Re: Harry Potter?
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Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:55:37 GMT
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In lugnet.castle, Dave Schuler writes:
I haven't read any of these cultishly popular books, so I'm in no position
to judge or make other comment, but what do Potter fans make of this:

http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/gma/goodmorningamerica/gma010320_potter_suit.html

An extremely odd coincidence, at any rate!


The author NK Stouffer's website - www.realmuggles.com - has a list of
infringement examples which includes such uncanny shared attributes as...

mythical place - perhaps those old Greek guys should sue too?
muggle families - what, they *breed*?
muggle village - what, they live in *communities*?
boats travel across lake - hey, *moving* boats?
castle on cliff - wow, no-one's ever thought of building one there before
flagstone floors / great hall - strange things to find in a castle
characters dressed in tights / quill pens and parchment / underground caves
/ and on, and on, and on...

The format was nailed down into a cod-medieval/'age of chivalry' milleau
(with a few Nordic bits and Christian allegory) by Tolkien and the Inklings.
No-one has significantly deviated from this. JK Rowling makes a good attempt
at the 'Juniorization', to coin a phrase, of this branch of fantasy
literature, and has a bit of fun with the castles and magic conventions at
the same time.

Re the plagiarism I'd assume that she's read the Stouffer book(s) in the mid
80s, forgotten them, and subconciously recycled a few names such as
Larry/Harry Potter, Nimbus etc. If Rowling meant to deliberately rip off
Stouffer's work then I'd imagine she'd have paid a bit more attention to
disguising the fact!

NK Stouffer seems to have missed another 'infringement example' - that
second initial K...

Mark



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  Re: Harry Potter?
 
(...) ***snip of characteristics entirely generic to the fantasy genre*** Yeah, those are some far-fetched claims, to be sure. But at issue, according to the ABC article, is the undeniably similar proper names in the two series rather than broad "I (...) (23 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.castle)
  Plagarism in Fantasy Novels? (was Re: Harry Potter?)
 
(...) I'd say the genre predates Tolkien and co. (see, e.g., _The Worm Ouroboros_ by E.R. Eddison). Tolkien is the archetype for much later s&s fantasy--notice blatent use of orcs (you can barely argue a medieval precedent), his spelling of dwarfs, (...) (23 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Harry Potter?
 
I haven't read any of these cultishly popular books, so I'm in no position to judge or make other comment, but what do Potter fans make of this: (URL) extremely odd coincidence, at any rate! Dave! (23 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.castle)

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