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(...) And my comment to you is that hand counts are more accurate than machine counts in determining the intent of the voters. If, due to a defect in the perforations of a voting card, my vote wasn't counted, I would be angry too, just like the (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Eric, I do appreciate your distress over the choice of Bush for President. Quite frankly I would make goofy demands if my canidate lost. As far as the accuracy of a hand recount you might say that it is as accurate as the people counting it (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Eric McCarthy" <eric@reasoning.com> wrote in message news:3A15557A.3EC6F3...ing.com... (...) have (...) Your point is one that is not being addressed in the media. ARE hand counts more accurate than machine counts? My opinion is that no, they are (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My distress is over your inappropriate political comments in lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade more than it is over Bush being likely to become president. Gore was not my candidate. But I still think hand recounts are more accurate. They do (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Gerry Venteicher wrote: <snip> Gerry, please don't mention the "L" word here-- it is OT and not welcome;-) But politics are happily discussed-- howa 'bout those fraudulent Dems who are about to get royally busted for rampant voter fraud in (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If thats the case. Eric McCarthy, LETS GET READY TO RUMMMBBBLLLEEE!!!! (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, Isn't the words fraudulent Democrats an oximoron. Was there ever any doubt that they would try to pull something. Gerry (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oops. My mistake:-) (...) It is amazing to me that the law means nothing to Democrats; they are so &*%$# arrogant that they think they can abide by the "intentions" of the law (which is however it favors their needs) instead. -John (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unless I miss your intent, the word you're probably aiming for is redundancy. Unless I miss your intent, the word you're probably aiming for is redundancy. (...) Especially given Republicans' long-standing tradition of honesty, integrity, and (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I'm not going to get into any ideological arguments. It looks like you and John Neal can have lots of fun together. I did praise your Brickbay shop, so let's leave it at that like you previously suggested. /Eric/ (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I think ox(y)moron is the precise word:-) (...) ooh, my facetious meter just went off-- anything you care to share, Dave!? -John (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nothing specific, though I'm sorry to hear GW wasn't able to pull off the execution hat-trick this week. Dave! (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yesterday, NPR talked with a statistician who discussed this point. The current difference is statistically negligible; it is virtually a tie, you cannot state with confidence that either person won. The difference in a total of 6 million vote tally (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As a democrat, let me note that's mighty nice of you to say! ;-) I think Honest Texan-Politician would be a better example of an oxymoron (move over Landslide Lyndon, here come the Bush Brothers Tag Team). Bruce (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm with you, Rob. If somehow Gore forces his way in, he'll certainly have been the first President elected by the will of the people too stupid to read. The President of the Stupid. What a way to start your legacy. -Jon (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See, the thing is that many Republicans express themselves eloquently and without making themselves sound like self-righteous children. Those are the Republicans who demonstrate themselves and their ideas to be worth of respect and (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, Dave, you're certainly attacking everything today aren't you!? Here too, you're missing the point, 1st off - this whole circus has an element of humor to it which I'm taking advantage of. No then, my assertion is merely that anyone who (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok...Texas Republican into the fray...LBJ was a bad apple, but no need to insult the whole state. Anyway...doesn't matter. If Bush loses, we're gonna exercise our right to cede from the Union, and the first order of business will be to declare (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's a difference? :-) Wait, what did Rhode Island do? Note that France seems to be rather disliked by a lot of countries, note the admonition in that UK Revokation that we were to nuke France at the slightest provocation... Why is that? (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh? Why not? My mother-in-law is a Texan. The defense rests triumphantly! :-) I didn't insult the state, I just insulted the politicians. Feel free to substitute whatever state you like - the key word is "politician". There are four kind of (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We would never resort to nuclear weapons - The Republic of Texas is gonna give 'em a good ol' fashioned butt-whipping. Which reminds me of a funny Letterman Top-10 List that I recall from many years ago: The Number One Reason Why Las Vegas is (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ok, I'd like to express a few things here. 1. Gerry your original post was in bad taste, have a enough sense to admit it. 2. The first state wide recount was not initiated by The democratic party, it was started as a result of Florida state law. 3. (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pat, The way this whole thing got started was someone took something fun that I do for my Brickbay store personal. The original comment about being crazy was nothing more then a joke. Lets discuss what makes America a great country. Everyone (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Gerry, Ok, I'm not going to debate that there are several oddities that have sprung up that seem to help both candidtaes in all kinds of ways. I also agree that after the final recount, Bush will be the winner. But I think it is silly to say that (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I saw an e-mail today which described how the ballots looked when in the machines. Apparently some ballots lined up fairly well, and others didn't at all. With all due respect, I'm unwilling to call people stupid without having seen the actual (...) (24 years ago, 18-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The people weren't too stupid to vote incorrectly, they voted fine. All of the hype of the butterfly ballot is subterfuge. The spike for Buchanan, I believe, will be shown to have been ballots (incorrectly) stuffed for Gore. A statistician (...) (24 years ago, 19-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just because that dirge was written in the UK, it does not follow that it is the UK view... and I assume you are not shallow enough to think otherwise. There is a recent history of England and France exhibiting a little friendly animosity. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I used to live in Broward county and work in Palm Beach county. Both ARE heavily Democratic... and both are home to a lot of very clueless people. There is no correlation implied there, of course. Remember, it was in Broward that a little old lady (...) (24 years ago, 19-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. There is no "monolithic" UK view, (just as there is no "US" view either). However there certainly is a bit of a running gag among many people I talked with about disliking the French and french ways. The UK and France are close allies (...) (24 years ago, 19-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is an English thing - not UK. You'll also find that a good deal of England still harks back to WW2, and loves reminding the Germans about who one. The feeling in Scotland is a little more mature. I'll quote one of you countrymen to sum up (...) (24 years ago, 19-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe it was just the education system that let them down... (...) or the Stupid President? Which would you rather have? --DaveL (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry Scott but even I started to be interested in..:-) Really, what is your area of PhD?..:-) Selçuk (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I just ran a scan on all of Lugnet, using PhD as the search term, and there's no post from Scott saying what his doctorate is in. I also tried just searching debate and using Doctor, again, nothing relevant, then I tried Doctor and (...) (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK Larry, I shall give you a silver star for trying. The key word to search for, I suppose, is "doctorate". It would have revealed: (BTW - EPSRC funded my doctorate at a cost of, in today’s $, $200,000 over 3 years. This focused on defining (...) (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for satisfying my curiosity too. It is so much more pleasant here when the titans *play nice*. Gold stars for all! sheree (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Started in chemical engineering, ended in computer Science? ..:-) Actually I always hated doing homeworks (and quizes, who cares a BA or AA where CB or BB, that you can get with only midterms and finals and projects, is more than enough..:-), (...) (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I forgot to reply to this bit. I assumed that, as you'd replied to the message I was referring to, you had read it. This seems like a fair assumption, but I'd be a liar if I said I'd never done the same. :) Scott A (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? It's good of those Englishpeople to promote the US that way. Steve (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My school history teacher told me the allies "won" the war, these were made up of France, Great Britain, much of the now Commonwealth, the United States, the Soviet Union, and, to a lesser extent, China. Was he wrong? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 21-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snigger> Yeah, right. Republicans....hones...integrity. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! I think ANY politician won't fit will with those terms after any appreciable time in office. -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Disagree. "Power corrupts" as they say. So if you want less corruption, make sure your politicians have less power... That's one of the outcomes of Libertarianism, a government that does less, and hence, has less opportunities for graft and (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just for my own edification, you're aware, I trust, that I was being facetious? Dave! (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I loved her in Desperado and Wild Wild West. 8^) (...) I'll see your Shakespeare and raise you a Voltaire: "To respect your enemies for their virtues, there is the greater miracle." That is, even if I (for one) disagree with (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure politicians really do have power. Surly the power lies with the electorate? (...) The problem with your LP is that, those at the bottom of society would also have less “power”. (...) The others include increased social division. (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Charmingly naiive, don't you think? Elections are held once in a while. Politicians exert power every day. They DERIVE their power from the consent of the governed but they exercise it, nonetheless. Elementary civics. (...) Feel free to (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Quite aware, yes, thanks. I'm not THAT dense ;-) (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's what I thought, but you springboarded off my comment in a way that made me unsure! Dave! (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G4JFsK.53n@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) consent (...) Well, here in the UK, I can go round and see my MP this weekend if I wish. I can tell her just what I think, and expect her to (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, and I can call my congressman or go to his office. I can even share my views, and the office often does give help to constitutents. But if you equate that with "you're in control", somehow, you're confused. Your elections are when? At (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Empire of Nippon won the war. Isn't that obvious? (...) I guess that depends on the details. Did he indicate that "we" won the war only because the US fully engaged? Did he explain that we won in spite of Montgomery rather than because of (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is common. Tough choices are made at the start of the life of a government, implementing then is often uncomfortable. By the time the election comes round, the “tough choice” will be producing results. (...) Not really. Thatcher started (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott and Larry write: (...) [snip] (...) This is great! "You say something and I'll pay attention and we'll talk about it." "No, you" "No, you" etc... The basic fact is that you're both right. Since I largely agree with (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm at the near point of avoiding this group altogether. I personally wish Scott and Larry would just killfile each other and be done with it. While I side mostly with Larry, the way this "discussion" is being handled is useless and pointless. Larry (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I find it ridiculous that Larry asked me to raise specific question so he can clarify his thinking - but he then refuses to answer me. To a certain extent, cherry picking questions one wishes to answer is part of a debate. Refusing to answer (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Arguments are never won here Tom, they just end. Often weight of numbers, produces and end. However, just because a debate ends it does not follow that is has been won/lost. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the US membership of LUGNET does (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It way well be obvious to you. But many economists accept that there is no reason to think that the market will always work. From what I read of Larry's friend, Hayek, on Friday I know he was one of them. I understand Larry has an (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Web interface doesn't support it so I have to manually ignore... :-) Dunno what Scott's reasoning is. (...) This is an excellent summation. He won't do research, I won't do it for him, he won't stop sniping, and I will not answer every snipe. (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) According to my understanding of Catholic doctrine yes, or effectively yes. If a Catholic wishes to refute this, I'd welcome a response. My understanding of Catholicism includes the following points: 1. The pope is the leader of the Catholic (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes (...) Ah, Larry! Ever the gifted phrase-maker! 8^) Dave! (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I (mostly) disagree. Of course part of my agreement is that in a way you are right, very few arguments are ever "won". But this group can and has been the catalyst for changes in opinion. I have certainly changed my opinions (and you can go (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Every catholic - perhaps. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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1. 1st I had to state my arguments - you refused to answer them. 2. Then you asked me to raise one point at a time - you refused to answer it. 3. Now I have to raise a single point at a time, and start a new thread for each. You _really_ are (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not admitting defeat doesn't mean a debate hasn't been lost (or won). Sometimes the debate provokes further thought on the subject - and that's the place that people change their minds. Admit it, how many of you are second-guessing eating (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LP is a vote of principle, and it largely benefits from disillusionment with the political process – a belief that a win for Gore/Bush will result in same outcome for the USA. I'm willing to bet that a good deal of LP voters would rather not (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, so corruption accumulates over time. This leads to a question: is better to cycle through politicians frequently, and spread low levels of corruption amongst a large number of people, or have just a few long-term politicians, and (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what, exactly then, is your doctorate in? Undifferentiated Civil Engineering, or some subspecialty? In the US there often (but not always) is differentiation within the degree. For instance my BS is in Computer Science with a minor in (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The way the UK system works means that a PhD means one researches a very narrow field - a doctorate in "Computer Science" just does not exist here. (...) The main difference between the UK and USA is that here we have no real taught component (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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