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Re: legos biggest mistake is...
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Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:21:17 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Simpson writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mark Sandlin writes:
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> > Maybe it isn't... but "moral spheres" are very _personal_ spheres. Your
> > spheres might be differently shaped than mine. It's best if we all keep • our
> > spheres to ourselves.
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> My replies:
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> First, how can we each keep our moral spheres to ourselves? When • you and I
> interact, or when anyone interacts, for that matter, the interactions are
> governed by our moral spheres of understanding regarding how the • other person
> deserves to be treated.
Does everyone else and their children deserve to be forced to abide by
your particular notion of what is "decent" on a minifig?
> Second, how differently are they shaped? Different as a square is to a
circle?
As differently as there are people and cultures on this planet.
> How different are "personal" moralities from each other (not counting • the
> abberations, i.e., people who have no concept of fairness, etc.)? Can • you
> conceive of a completely opposite moral system from the one that you • hold? Has
> any society ever valued cowardice in battle? Has any society ever • condoned
> disloyalty to one's kin or friends? To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, "Men may • have
> historically disagreed as to how many wives a man may have, but • societies have
> never suggested that a man may have any woman that he wants." It • seems to me
> that the differences in our moral understandings are often differences • by
> degree, not differences in kind.
That's a fair assessment.
> The overwhelming consensus of humanity
> throughout recorded history has been that modest sexual restraints and • customs
> are a good thing. Considering the weight of the historical record, I'd say • that
> the burden of proof is on the individual who would topple the truths.
The overwhelming consensus of recorded history has treated women as
property as well. Doing something because "It's always been done that
way" isn't the best reason for continuing to do something. the nice thing
about America is that you can believe what you want to, and I can believe
what I want to, and if you don't like a particular minifig, you don't have to
buy it.
> Third, I say this in the spirit of friendship...Your reply avoided the issue
> that I raised.
My reply wasn't supposed to be a comprehensive discussion of the
issues.
> Ignore my moral sphere and answer from your own: What good has
> sexual obsession, sexual promiscuity, or sexual preoccupation ever • done to a
> society, a culture, or an individual?
Breasts are not sexual organs. If our society didn't treat them as such,
then women wouldn't have to go hide to prevent people from seeing
them feed their baby in a natural, healthy, non-sexual way.
> Fourth, how shall the issue ever be resolved if the only answer given to
> dissenters such as myself is "Keep it to yourself?" Where is the • intellectual
> value in that reply?
Sorry, I didn't have a C.S. Lewis quote book on hand so I could try to
make it seem more "intellectual."
If you don't like the minifig, just remove that particular fig from the set.
It's
that simple.
Perhaps we could petition Lego to put warning labels on their sets.
CAUTION: FIGURES MAY HAVE CLEAVAGE
That would work nicely with,
CAUTION: HOT COFFEE
and
DO NOT IRON WHILE WEARING
I think it's time we stopped insisting that corporations babysit us and just
take some responsibility for ourselves.
~Mark
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| (...) This is my 4th post in this thread. I have yet to give my opinion regarding the issue of minifig decency. I have merely been debating the issue of public decency. I defer your question to someone else. I will say that I speak as a consumer (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) My replies: First, how can we each keep our moral spheres to ourselves? When you and I interact, or when anyone interacts, for that matter, the interactions are governed by our moral spheres of understanding regarding how the other person (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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