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Re: legos biggest mistake is...
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Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:02:41 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Simpson writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Adam Hoekwater writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Gary Istok writes:
> > > Probably the American prudishness to nudity is what makes our country the
> > > world's leader in rapes and sex crimes.
> > >
> > > Gary Istok
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> > Gary,
> > I think it's because America is a cesspool of social degeneration.
> > Doesn't Japan hold the same prudishness?
> > Are they number two in sex crimes?
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> > -Adam
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> And America is a prudish country how? Granted, one only hears suggestive
> nuances on network TV, but how many households have cable? How many people
> have
> access to pornography? Virtually all of the people that I have known who have
> had a problem with pornography initially found it via their fathers. The fact
> of the matter is that kids have access to all manner of sexual messages
> despite our lamentable "American prudishness." Oh, did I forget the internet?
> America
> is so rampant with sex crimes because we allow our children to be barraged
> with
> sexual messages, and then we give them neither the instruction nor the support
> in terms of dealing with their sexuality.
I think this is an excellent point, but I think there is a difference between
the sexual messages that American kids experience, and the ones that European
cultures do. You use the word 'pornography', which I interpret as material
that is produced for one purpose, to evoke one emotion from people, lust.
American cable programming and nude magazines and websites do just that. But
European television programs will show nudity, but somehow, in a way that
Americans don't understand from our point of reference, not pornographically.
Almost like it's good clean fun. Or perhaps naughty fun. As an American, I
can't explain it because I don't really get it. But from what I've seen of
their TV programs, it just doesn't seem the same. It's not like 'watch these
gorgeous people have hot sex' or 'imagine yourself with this person', it's
almost more like 'hey, you're naked, isn't that embarrassing!' or 'this guy is
nude on TV, isn't that funny?'. I don't know if anyone else knows what I'm
getting at, or if I'm getting at anything at all, that's just my
interpretation.
> The sum total of most kids' sexual
> education is the music that they listen to - music which is often filled with
> hateful sexual messages - and which is not censored (Yes, the "C" word) by
> their
> parents whatsoever. America is a cesspool of social degeneration because
> it is a cesspool of moral degeneration.
Oh, I like this James Simpson fellow. I like him a lot.
> If sexual "prudishness" leads to sex
> crime, then what are we to say of the entire Muslim world? Sex crimes such as
> rape in Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Iran, Indonesia, etc.,
> etc. are extremely infrequent. Granted, those societies commit social crimes
> against women, but in terms of actual criminal deviant acts,
> their "prudishness"
> (reinforced by a religious and moral code) has not in fact led to an increase
> in
> rapes and other sex crimes, but has in fact minimized the frequency of such
> incidents. What evidence can you offer that sexual deviancy in the USA is a
> direct cause of the policies of sexual repression by the prudish among us?
Exactly. I doubt that the banning of Michael Jackson's Black or White video in
which he grabs his crotch saved anyone from a sex crime.
-Adam 8^D
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| (...) I mostly agree with you on this point. Customs regarding modesty can genuinely differ across cultures, and be influenced by climate, history, etc. A topless woman can be attired just as modestly, given the right circumstances, as another woman (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) And America is a prudish country how? Granted, one only hears suggestive nuances on network TV, but how many households have cable? How many people have access to pornography? Virtually all of the people that I have known who have had a (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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