Debate : 19170


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		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) In answer to a few other points made... (URL) out the 'toon at the bottom of this page... It has been said that I'm morally 'wishy washy'. I think that, given a cut 'n dry scenario, I am (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
Snippety Snip... (...) followed by... (...) What was your stance on guns again??? I think I missed something. You're ready to go vigilante on a serial killer but not support ousting someone (1) who killed hundreds of thousands (or, if you go by the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: (selective snipping for comedic effect) (...) But if the way you see them is black and white, wouldn't that measn....? ;-) -->Bruce<-- (red/green? total? My right eye sees redder and my left (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) I find that the left eye is always greener on the other side of the nose. For that matter, maybe things on the left side of your field of vision are greener, and they're more red on the right. Hmm... Red = Communist Right = Conservative (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) alive. (...) Ok now I am really confused on why you support gun control. I mean you do know that the crime rate in Canada has almost doubled since the nation wide Gun Control laws went into effect right? Sure it is still a lot lower than the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Red/Green-- When tested, on a scale of CV (colour vision) 1-5, 1 being not colour blind and 5 being total colourblind, I'm a CV 3, which means I could have been a chef or such in the armed forces--I could not be a scuba diver (which I wanted (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Oh I'd love to have a black/white, right/wrong stance as clear and simplistic as the one you're proposing, Larry. But the world's a complex place, which needs complex problem solving--there is nothing cut 'n dry in life. So when I say that I (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Iris you hadn't said that-- I had been pun free for a blinking long time, but a lash, I have made a spectacle of myself. JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) I'll try to make this as simple as possible, without getting into a totally complex discussion-- If people don't have guns, people can't get shot by guns. That's as simple as it gets. Knives, hatchets, pipes, hands, and the rest all have (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) The violent crime rate doubled* in Canada and tripled* in the UK after the gun control laws went into effect. Yes they are still lower than in the US but that is beside the point. I do understand your point now, but unless every gun on the (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) And I agree that there will always be those that want to break the law, or use a weapon in a moment of passion--I admitted that I'm torn when it comes to me, a gun, and Paul Bernardo (my ethics would prevent me from doing harm to him in the (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) So you want the state to protect you from yourself and your weak will then? Is that it? I'm going to campaign to outlaw hot fudge, after all, some people can't resist it. (...) It might be what you're advocating, it just doesn't happen to be (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) gun (...) gun (...) always (...) Except that right now it would be easier for me to purchase an AK-47 through illegal channels than it would be for me to purchase a 6-shooter through legal channels. (...) I will definately agree that if your (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Hit fudge hasn't killed anybody, that I recall-I could be wrong. Ask a father what he wants done to the criminal who had just raped and killed his daughter. Weak willed? I don't think so--I'm just glad that laws are supposedly made by rational (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Tell you what. I'll concede that... if you can completely eliminate guns from the surface of the earth, no one will be killed with guns any more, or at least not until the aliens come. But I'll *only* concede that in return for a (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Yeah I think we can all agree on that. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Okay, everyone agrees that Dan Rather is an idiot. Except me. Not that I have the answer: I wasn't idiotic enough to watch him in the first place. Perhaps I do have the answer. :-) -->Bruce<-- Okay, 'fess up: who was idiotic enough to declare (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) I missed Rather's interview--I think it was on during 'Enterprise' or 'The West Wing', not that I really bothered to check when it was on--I lumped it, mistakenly or not, in the 'Let's get ratings at any cost' group, and I don't seem to (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Yeah, that's the dreamer part of me... but it's completely true. (...) I like how you do away with the rest of the logically constructed arguement, that if you reduce the number of guns, you will reduce the number of gun related cases of (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Can you give an independent citation for that statistic? And some kind of causitive confirmation that the crime rate increased because gun control was initiated? Otherwise, the argument must be abandoned as a post hoc interpretation. That (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) HOG PILE!!! :-) (...) Ah, I have the perfect answer-- I started to watch but became so disgusted that I turned it off (and coincidently, that's what really happened) (...) lol My dad watches that too! "It's really fascinating, blah, blah, (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Ahh, the American Cup-- All you need is 40 million dollars and a dream... ;) Dave K (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) That is because the crime rate in Canada and the UK and anywhere else you choose to examine has gone up (NOT down) after Gun Control policies were enacted. It is impossible to reduce the number of guns that criminals will get so long as guns (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) But I think the point that was made to you in response to that assertion is that it is a canard-- it will never happen, and so you really could never prove it anyway. But people have thought along those lines and tried to ban guns anyway. (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Care to show cause and effect? I expect not! (...) Given that 500,000 are stolen from lawful owners each year in the USA. Do you think that if more restrictions were put on ownership perhaps less would be stolen? (...) Even in the UK, some (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Do criminals make their guns? Do they have gunsmithing shops in the back of their barns where they can make their .22's and ammo? Well, no. So where do the criminals get their guns? Well, I can think off the top of my head a variety of (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) I just recalled that some gun hobbyists make their own ammo. Doesn't detract from the point--criminals are probably doing criminal activities and are not making their own (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Please give up on the notion that gun supply can somehow be controlled. There will always be guns, whether they are stolen from my house or produced in a third world nation. Anyway, the whole issue will become moot when technology gives us (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) You're not very good at staying on thread, are you? Nor are you very good at paying attention. Go dig up the red light threads and reread them before you blather further. But assuming you won't, or won't be able to analyse what was said, for (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) <snip> Is there stats on this? Without any veil of agenda, I'd like to know how many guns in the black market today come from off shore. Curious. Dave K (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) you think that if more restrictions were put on ownership perhaps >less would be stolen? (...) I think you are agreeing with me? (...) It's a gun's ability to kill that makes ownership so attractive to many. Scott A (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) gun (...) Written August 11, 1998 (URL) January 6, 2003 (URL) course the actual statistics no longer appear to be available. Go figure. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Hey, thanks for the links. Unfortunately, the problem still remains that we cannot conclude that crime has risen because guns were banned, especially since the guns in the Dunblane incident were legally owned. Unless you propose arming (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Refutation--the camera itself didn't cause the accident--the camera didn't change the timing of the lights. Saying something like there's causality between the camera and the accidents is like saying thre's causality between people waking up (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Thanks for clearing that up. Your assertion in this case is that the cameras themselves are not causative? Rather they are merely tools and it's the people (governments in this case) that use them improperly which cause the problem? So why ban (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snips for comedic effect> (...) That would be redundant. JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) That would be redundant. Dave! (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Oh if wishing made it so. I would love to see the day when we would enact laws banning the improper usage of guns. Well, we do already and it's known as 'the law'. Now here's a situation--can we regulate red light cameras and non-interference (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) You can say that again. JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Indeed. Now just enforce it. Enforce the laws against robbery, burglary, rape, assault, murder etc, and perhaps there will be less of a problem. But no, the police are apparently way too busy enforcing other laws like when shops can be open (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Nah, that would be redundant. Dave! (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) That made me smile. Reminded me of so many 'Hawkeye' moments from MASH. Thanks Dave K (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) :-) Reminds me of one of my favorite quotations by Mark Twain: "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of congress; but I repeat myself." JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) All seriousness aside, I think I owe my incorrigible propensity to punning to watching Hawkeye and Groucho in my formative years:-) JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) Oh my goodness--last nights ep. of MASH is when that film crew was at the 4077th and Hawkeye 'took over' production. He and Trapper did the whole Groucho/Harpo thing (mostly with Radar as (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Groucho is the man! Anyone who hasn't seen Duck Soup has no business commenting on politics! Dave! (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Ah, "Yankee Doodle Doctor." A fine piece of celluloid. Much of Hawkeye's routine in that episode is a direct homage to Groucho in "A Day at the Races," worth seeing despite some racial issues[1] that may be uncomfortable to modern viewers. (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Crikey! How can 2 people see things so differently and so yet be so synoptic?? No Dave!-- you da man:-) JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		MASH--geat show was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) MASH did a pretty good 'racial' episode, in which a wounded soldier didn't want blood from 'those people'. Hawkeye sedated him and he and BJ took some dye and coloured the unconsious soldiers' skin a darker colour... Was a bit of a wake-up (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: MASH--geat show was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Mike Farrell <shudder> Actually, when MASH started getting preachy is about when the series jumped the shark IMO. Charles was a poor foil, and Margaret mellowed too much after Frank left. It is interesting to watch the original movie and (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: MASH--geat show was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Shame on both of you! Trapper John was the accomplice in that episode! Synoptic, indeed! Dave! (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: MASH--geat show was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) (stab in the dark) How do you feel about the Alan Parsons Project? JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

		Re: MASH--geat show was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Love the movie--did Robert Duvall pull of Frank--it was perfect. Frank in the series was too fake--there were some good bits, but overall, I found Frank to be too over-the-top. Trapper was great, but I also liked BJ--that's a tough one. And (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: MASH--geat show was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) D'oh! That particular ep I haven't seen in such a long time--just remember the overview--my bad! Dave K (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

		Re: MASH--geat show was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) I like some stuff, but I'm not a huge fan. I believe Parsons engineered Pink Floyd's album "The Dark Side of the Moon," of which I'm quite fond... Dave! (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Thank you for allowing me the opportunity of "The Last Word"... Friends, We are gathered here today to pay our final respects to a cherished friend that has been with us over these many years. This recently departed friend of ours was dear to (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Misleading snip for comedic effect or because you didn't understand that you changed my meaning by doing so? (...) The only perfect answer is to not be suckered in even for a minute. :-) (...) It depends on if you ever raced sail boats. I (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: MASH--geat show was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) I know that Parsons engineered one or more of Floyd's albums--my friend, the Pink Floyd 'freak' would know which one(s)--I'll ask him. I'm a fan of Floyd, my favourite being 'Momentary Lapse..." as well as "Division Bell", which had the same (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

		Re: MASH--geat show was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Oh, he most definitely produced Dark Side of the Moon, one of the greatest rock albums ever IMO. JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

		MASH (Again...) Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) <snip> (...) <snip> (...) I always liked it when Sherman Potter lost it and shouted "Horsefeathers!!!" That was too cool... Dave K (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: MASH (Again...) Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) I always liked: Radar: Yes, sir? Henry Blake: RADAR! That was too cool:-) JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: MASH--geat show was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) I can't remember album titles off the top of my head... But a group that comes up with Obscured by Clouds Animals Umbagummba (that's spelled soooo way off... lemmee check the 'net...) Ummagumma (I was close... ;) ) A Saucerful of Secrets Atom (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) It's all about the comedy, -->Bruce<-- I was just reminded of when I was a kid with my friends, and we'd all be just sitting around and if one guy stood out for any apparent reason, it would be suddenly time for everyone to jump on him (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: MASH (Again...) Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Radar talking over anyone and getting things done... You're right--very cool. I had a wee sniffle when Radar left the show, with the salute and all. Notable highlights in my mind regarding Radar... When Margaret thought she was pregnant and (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) More like novella... <g,d,r> (sorry) JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Not that I haven't talked about my favourite 'Classic Rock' radio station all day today... But at 7:55 a.m. (usually on my way in to work) they have "'The Last Word' with Maureen Holliway" She gets on there and basically talks entertainment (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) My biggest beef with MASH is that it was rather blatant in its bias, and worse, it was good enough that it made Alan Alda and Mike Farrell (useful idiots both) and other fellow travelers shedfuls of cash. But it's a pretty funny show (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) The MASH movie, as intended by the director, wasn't suppose to mention that it took place in Korea at all to 'blur' the line between thinking it was about Korea or about Vietnam. Another interesting tid-bit about the movie was that there was (...) (22 years ago, 1-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) True, but both articles site that illegally owned firearms were/are responsible for the vast majority of crime. The first article states that tighter gun control will not have any positive impact (but probably have a negative one) on the crime (...) (22 years ago, 1-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: snip of some stuff, including a good reminder about North Korea* (...) It should be remembered that one can (or can prefer to) watch a program without swallowing its "message" hook, line, and (...) (22 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) You're stripping away the numbers for the sake of a punchline. According to the first article, the number of firearms-related murders in 1996 England/Wales was 49. Forty-nine! Pittsburgh alone had 47 murders in 1996, and we don't have a gun (...) (22 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) Or when Harry Morgan was cast as a 'crazy general guy' and, like 4 episodes later-ish, he was the commanding officer of the 4077th. Think anyone would notice that? There was a website I (...) (22 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Well then they must have said something about Hawkeye making some remark about credit cards-- which I don't believe were around during the Korean war. Maggie C. (22 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Ugly John also played Captain Muldoon, in a later-series one-shot in which the doctors had to run Rosie's Bar while she recovered from cracked ribs. They played Revolving Asians, too. Mako portrayed three different roles that I can think of, (...) (22 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) It would also be a mistake to think that they weren't at least unconsciously influenced by it... (22 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		MASH Goofs--Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) Here's a site that I came across when this topic came up (URL) has a good list of goofs--I think the Internet Movie Database (www.imdb.com) probably has another such list. Regardless of (...) (22 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) Perhaps it's a case of the program showing what the viewers wanted to see, so that the program was in turn influenced by the viewership? This is obviously similar to The West Wing. I haven't seen even one second of that show, but does it (...) (22 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
[snipped the numbers] Ok you are only siting the murder rate and calling it the crime rate. Armed robbery is where increase is. The murder rate is essentially unchanged between countries with or without strict gun control. I cannot seem to find any (...) (22 years ago, 4-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
(...) I'm afraid that I'm not a man of faith, so I can't accept your word without evidence, especially since your entire argument depends on it. If you intend to convince me (or anyone else who doesn't already agree with you), you'll need to find (...) (22 years ago, 4-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Gun Control issues (was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare)
[Snip] (...) I want to know where all these pro-gun whacko sites are getting their numbers from. (URL) find it interesting that I can not find any numbers from the anti-gun whacko sites. (...) I had said that from the get go. (URL) (...) not. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 5-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)