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(...) That's great! I only wish I thought it was amusing. I'll have to tattoo that to my arm. Chris (20 years ago, 17-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is an interesting critique of the quiz (URL) here> (...) Hmm. I suppose it is a matter of perspective. I enjoyed this perspective; "Critics have long compared libertarianism with religion in the sense that both are highly ideological and (...) (20 years ago, 17-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I gave up half way through. I tried it again and got 80,40 ("Left-liberal"). I find it hard to see how a "Right-Conservative" could be against free speech or voluntary military service? I'd also love to see how taxes could be cut by 50%... (...) (20 years ago, 17-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Neb, you're not the first person to mention that particular "outreach tool" here, and so you're not the first person to get that question from Scott, or others. It's asked and answered (as anyone can demonstrate for themselves if they want to (...) (20 years ago, 17-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don, thanks for responding! As I mentioned before, I really didn't intend to single you out. I have found that very few Bush supporters are willing to discuss their reasons for supporting the man, though most are quite willing to attack John (...) (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <dr_scott_arthur@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:I2K7uB.1A8E@lugnet.com... (...) in - (...) Obviously if you agree with all of the questions then you will be listed as a Libertarian - but so far out of the 25 or so friends I've tested (...) (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is it me, or are these questions loaded? ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Afghana-where? (...) Perish the thought! (...) …not to mention Bush’s support for non-democratic nations such as Uzbekistan. (...) It also illustrates why I'm glad we essentially don't have "political ads" in the UK. We restrict our parties to (...) (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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The media always mentions Bush/Kerry/Nader - but check out Badnarik. His site is getting close in terms of popularity. I find that impressive since he can't afford to advertise - and he's not the incumbent president... Oh, and the fact that most (...) (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:I2At33.18AH@lugnet.com... (...) I (...) tune. Reminds me of an amusing quote: "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." (...) (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"David Koudys" <dkoudys@redeemer.on.ca> wrote in message news:I2An93.779@lugnet.com... (...) up--I (...) believe (...) Which side is "the dark side" in your estimation? I don't see gun ownership "giving up". I see it as a realistic approach to self (...) (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just out of curiosity, according to this quiz, where are you on the political spectrum? (URL) be sure, the quiz doesn't attempt to discern what *party* people are in - just where they are on the political spectrum overall. It has me pegged at the (...) (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This isn't aimed at you, Don, but if anyone has an answer as to where these "articulate" voices are, let me know because I have a question: The latest "I've approved this commercial" from Dubya is the "in 1970 there were 40 democracies" and (...) (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You have (URL) already>: "...so I can't really put into words why he's got my vote so far. Probably it's the war thing. I'd rather see someone decisive than a panderer as president right now." Being “decisive” is only good if one is making the (...) (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, since you used me as example last week, I suppose I should confirm that yes, I'm still planning to vote for Bush. However, I'm not going to defend my choice here. Others far more articulate than I are doing a much better job of that (...) (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps it is like onanism; a lot of people do it, but very few admit to it in public. ;) Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 16-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I meant a little of both. Some denominations are less tied up in religious rituals than others (RCA vs Roman Catholicism, for instance), and just because you don't follow a particular denomination doesn't mean that you don't have your own (...) (20 years ago, 15-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Where did he go? I guess John's brain must have self-destructed when faced with the undeniable truth. So what I want to know now is, if nobody can step up to the plate and defend Bush, who exactly are all these people who answer polls stating (...) (20 years ago, 15-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would question whether you mean "religion" or "God" here. Faith in religion is what I call "Churchianity". It's no better than superstition, like athletes who always go through the same routine before the race starts. As a Christian, I have (...) (20 years ago, 14-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree 100%; that was the point I was trying to make. (...) I have heard that too. Perhaps we were pack animals in our (alleged) evolutionary past? (...) So what is the relevance of the them being “virgins”? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 14-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Heh! I see your wishful thinking! However, 1 Timothy 3:2 says: "Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife,..." and 1 Timothy 3:12 says: "A deacon must be the husband of but one wife..." (both NIV). This probably (...) (20 years ago, 14-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Though the point raised by both Scott and Chris suggests he had a much less altruistic reason for resigning, another related possibility for someone in this situation would be the ability to largely retreat from the public eye afterwards. I (...) (20 years ago, 13-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I only heard about this this morning, but it's big news here at work (in sunny Pennington, NJ). The consensus opinion of my literate coworkers seems to be that he's attempting to resign under the dark cloud of his homosexual extra-marital (...) (20 years ago, 13-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) used tax-payers money I expect he'll some questions on answer. Scott A (20 years ago, 13-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) condemnors from now until he's out of office, and the resources he'd have to devote to defending against that nonsense would detract from his ability to maintain his office. Tangentially, one might wonder how the past few years might have been (...) (20 years ago, 13-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was used a lot in a 70's UK sit-com called "(URL) Citizen Smith>". Scott A (20 years ago, 13-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I think I am missing something here. He's gay. So what? Why resign? What does his preference in partners have to do with his ability to govern? (URL) (20 years ago, 13-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 'first against the wall when the revolution comes' is fairly self explanatory - I doubt it would be possible to nail it to a specific source. That said, Douglas Adams used it in 1978 in his Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (in reference to the (...) (20 years ago, 13-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, you do not digress here, Lar. The original point with which I started this thread was that o-t.d had become a quagmire where meaninful debate gets dragged down into the muck by the same old circular logic. The fact that this has (...) (20 years ago, 12-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah me too. Well I spose all the IMPORTANT stuff is already packed. And I do still have 16 hours till the plane leaves.... (20 years ago, 12-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure you wanted to juxtapose ignoring your own advice with hurling the word "stupid". :-) -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 12-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Where the heck did that phrase (or paraphrase) originate? The first place I remember hearing it is in a Sugarcubes song, but I'm sure it predates that tune. Dave! (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Is that what a right is? If you're engaged in a behavior only at the whim of your government, isn't it a privilege? Chris (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bear in mind Mike, that "conservatives" or Republicans aren't particularly more friendly to your second amendment rights than those nasty liberals. The truth is, it is in the interest of anyone who wants to control you to disarm you. (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There isn't exactly an accepted market value. I'm thinking about this. (...) My first reaction is yes, yes, no. But maybe it really does need to be no, yes, no or it falls apart due to a breach in internal consistency. (...) I think people do (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But, standing around flailing with a shovel _is_ useful, otherwise he wouldn't want it done. And in any case, it takes just as much time out of that person's life to perform those diggerly theatrics as it takes for a real excavator to dig for (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, The Press (aka The Fourth Estate.) But I admit that it sounded like I'm a graduate of (URL) this> fine institution! Dave! (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Uh... four branches of government? -Mike Petrucelli (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree with you completely on this. In fact so does the NRA, laws should punish criminals not infringe upon the rights of law-abiding citizens. (...) Fair enough. -Mike Petrucelli (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Okay, that makes me feel better. I was concerned that you were lapsing into the unproductive view that "they're all crazy all the time." Some of the Liberals are crazy all of the time, and all of the Liberals are crazy some of the time, but (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, here's the thing-- I am becoming increasingly swayed to 'the dark side'. Let me clear this up--I will never personally own a gun. I don't like 'em, and I fundamentally believe that they are a statement of 'giving up' on any other action (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well actually it was from the site. However on this particular issue yes I do belive liberals are stupid. On other issues I will agree that conservatives are idiots, like the 'Ban Gay Marriage' campaign. (...) Yes but so does liberal (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) OK. So if I know that it takes the average hole digging person an hour to dig a hole of a certain size, and that's an accepted market value, can I charge 50 minutes to dig it instead of an hour (giving a discount or a gift if you like)? Is (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:I2ALon.22wt@lugnet.com... (...) needs a (...) some (...) hour." (...) wants (...) True, that's a lot of it, but not all. He wants to hire the most efficient excavator, because he knows (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, but the root point was that it helps society somehow. I wonder. And, people in other parts of the world actually do support female genital mutilation for the same reasons...and more convincingly, I think. Chris (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess your main point is that _some_ services will have greater demand than supply and the free market provides a method of allocation. Off hand (though I'll continue to think about this) I would leave it to the individual suppliers to (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you subscribe to that idea, or are you merely propogating it? In any case, you should check (URL) here> every week for an inexhaustible supply of Conservative idiots. Updated weekly, because Conservative idiocy just keeps coming! Dave! (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(Also known as the proof positive that Liberals are not just stupid, but insane.) As much as we really don't need to start this debate up again I have to share this if nothing else to hear what others have to say. While numbers 2, 3, and 4 are based (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, that's a perfectly valid concern to bear in mind. All routes for corrupt data should be considered even if only to recognize the potential flaws when the study is published. Chris (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You can give gifts of your time. You can not institute and exchange that values your time more highly than another's. Chris (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What I wouldn't pay to be watching the news when that happened... Chris (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:I2AHnn.17AB@lugnet.com... (...) true but (...) there (...) men (...) even on (...) Well, one could still argue it promotes monogamy, even if not very successfully. Frank (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:I2AH9I.13p2@lugnet.com... (...) not (...) of (...) Tercells (...) Lexus (...) almost (...) never (...) or (...) enough for (...) should (...) to pay (...) a (...) hour (...) Hmm, how (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd start by correllating success in life as measured by the normal societal values: level of education, income, marital stability, etc. as well as psychological problems (including substance abuse, depression, etc), medical problems, (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or wishful thinking about it turned into inflated claims of actuality? People DO brag... (sorry, couldn't resist) (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm wondering how commonly held this view is. It doesn't strike me as true but I don't have any specific information with which to refute it. I guess there was a big study based on a survey in which sixty-some percent of married men admitted (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I tend to remember "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations" and "a fool and his money are soon parted" and not worry about that. That's a pat answer but ... (...) So there's a unit of currency and it's a manhour, then? All else (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I actually agree with an awful lot of what Larry says in this thread. But not all of it. And I think he's misread me in a couple of places. I'm not talking about eliminating market mechanisms from the determination of what work can be rewarded. Only (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's sorta irrelevant-- As I stated elsewhere, yes, I'm all for allowing polygamy, etc (provided some probably some other changes), and all for letting consenting aliens get married if we find any, but that's not the point. The proposed (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ;) I will concur that the possibility of a bad parent exists if he or she's been married numerous times. Who knows how good a parent Larry King is, for example. That said, unless there are specific documented instances against a person, he or (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Theory is not fact. To extrapolate the worst possible scenario from a report and then state that "the UN has concluded ..." is a lie. (...) Bush is terrorizing the American public to further his personal political agenda. Sounds like (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can't believe that the originalral thread (about who to vote for and getting involved in politics in an effective way) seems to have spun off into some of the standard old directions. (the gay marriage direction, the "socialism works/no it (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, but that's not the entirety of what I've outlined. My example is still a 93:7 ratio of government machinery:benefits delivered. (...) What happens when Badnarik gets in(1)? Will all taxes be wiped away with a stroke of his pen? Obviously (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But there is. (...) Yes, there is, and I agree! (...) Yes. Ever heard of (URL) the United Way>? There are good charities and bad ones, like everything else. JOHN (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can't believe this conversation is staying on a 'well gee, wouldn't it be nice if...' level. In todays age, where there are pregnant teens, single moms, and 80 year old males getting married to 30 year old women and having kids, and all of (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, but the obvious counter to that is that with charities, you can research them and only give to the ones that aren't so bloated. Chris (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't think there's any reason to expect members of either party to deal with them in without those kinds of baggage. Why do you? Chris (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is a fairly typically cited flaw with communism. It presumes some stuff that don't jibe with my observations of the real world and I'd be interested to see how you explain them. (Perhaps as annecdotes that don't mean anything, but if so, (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If ONLY we could get a 1:7 ratio between bureaucracy and benefits delivered, I'd put up with the siphoning. But it's hardly ever that good. Sometimes it's 1:7 the other way. Which was the point J was making with his silly made up numbers. Once (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) One issue at a time, John! If would-be polyandrists wish to marry in groups, let them plead their case. At present the issue pertains to two-party contracts. In any case, I have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why multi-party marriages (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And of that $93, $47 goes to big-corporate welfare, $45 goes to big-corporate military (and of that $45, $44 goes to the Friends-Of-Cheney corporate group), and $1 maintains the bureaucracy. Dave! (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mmmmmm. Nary a truer word spoken, or written, or whatever. But that life is unfair is not the nub of it. The issue is 'am I fair?' Am I one who promotes fairness or unfairness? Do I, by action or inaction, seek to reduce the unfairness of life (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) …and I predict that in 20 years time the technology will be obligatory as it will be used for road pricing! Scott A PS Ubiquitous perhaps. I doubt GPS will ever be a "necessity" as long has humans still drive; I don't even normally carry a map (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is if there is no other way to get help to those who need it. Scott A PS Is there really so much bureaucracy in the USA? Bush has a lot to answer for. ;) PSS I'm sure I've heard of chartities with just as much bureaucracy? (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, maybe deserve is better, although I really don't really know if that is right either. I'll have to think about that some more. (...) Well I would say that many men are very feminine and many women are very masculine, so specifying 1 man (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Deserve" a better word? What rights would you ascribe to children? (...) I'm not even sure by what criteria one could use to support or reject such a claim. I go by this: men and women are very different by nature; vastly more different than (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (snip) (...) What's wrong with that? In theory he was correct. (...) So did he lie, or did he present a feasible worst-case scenario? (...) Again, in theory it could have been the case. We are talking about WMDs here. Would you want your (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The right? I don't think children have any such right. (...) That may possibly be so, but I have seen no evidence to support it. (...) I for one would like to see your evidence to back up that claim. I'm not saying I disagree with you, I (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not every time. But the alternative is for me to give $100 for charity to a government, and the government takes $93 of it to sustain its own bureaucracy and $7 gets to the people who will benefit from it. Not very efficient. JOHN (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Can I assume that the main knock on defining marriage as the union of 1 woman 1 man is that it discriminates (against gays). But doesn't your proposed definition discriminate against polyspousewanters? Why is your discriminating definition any (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, marriage is often used as a way to avoid deportation, which would be a non-issue if only citizens could get married. I don't believe either party has to be a citizen/national, so that a Canadian and a Mexican could meet up in Vegas on (...) (20 years ago, 11-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well... If presently: "marriage is defined as the union of one consenting adult male and one consenting adult female" And proposed: "marriage is defined as the union of two consenting adults" (Assuming they're human, US citizens [is that (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, sure... that's the free rider problem. The pat answer solution is to figure out how to price the task into the costs borne by those to whom it is essential. (note: government is the most common, but not only, mechanism for doing that (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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First it was the crew of the aircraft carrier. Then it was Dubya's advisors. And (URL) now> apparently it's all the fault of Tommy "Abandon the Constitution" Franks: "That's my fault, that George W. Bush said what he said on the first of May of last (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In a market-ruled society the same would be true of any essential task that no one wanted to perform. (...) Knowing your preference for "outcome" versus "intent," I would speculate that the years of training are, in the end, irrelevant to your (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But suppose you're not? What I'm driving at here is that it is difficult to take worth as stated by the person doing the task... and that further, some activities are indeed worth less. It rather seems to me that even in Chris's scheme he's (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This sounds to me like a strong statement in support of Chris' thesis that one person's workhour is not inherently worth more than another's. If my brain is working just fine (let's say that it is), and the brains of my friends and family (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is stories like this which undermine the argument in favour of state regulation of certain private industries. I was reminded of this: "Better to abolish all regulations, consider everything as property, and solve all controversy by civil (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ...and the cute animal and children's charities win every time. (URL) An example>. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Iraq, Saudi Arabia and possibly Israel may well be major foreign policy challenges over the next 4-8 years. Who do you trust most to deal with them without involving corporate handouts and religious ideology? Scott A (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) A school> with lots of class. (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is hardly new ground, but alright, here are the specific cites: From George Bush's State of the Union Address, January 28, 2003: Lie #1: "The United Nations concluded in 1999 that Saddam Hussein had biological weapons sufficient to (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The "some animals are more equal than others" perversion. But that still is minor in relation to trying to enforce a taxi driver and brain surgeon making the same amount (and of course, with tips, the taxt driver won out over years of (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Do you want a more thorough and scholarly treatment of one particular aspect of this overall question (how best to organize societies), or a broader but less thorough treatment of many aspects? Road to Serfdom focuses on fewer aspects. (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I haven't. If I was going to take the time to read this or Machinery of Freedom (which I've meant to read forever) which would you suggest? (...) But of course! (...) Digging holes (useful ones, that is) is perfectly honorable work and should (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) To the best of my knowledge -- limited as it is, no system of equitable socialism has been tried on this planet for 500 years since the peak of Hopi civilization. All of the modern communisims that I have read about (and talked to (...) (20 years ago, 10-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Seriously? Have you read "The Road to Serfdom"? I'm just curious. (...) OK, can I run a thought experiment here for a sec? Suppose I'm a brain surgeon and a darn good one. Save lots of lives every day I go in to work. But one day I decide my (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I guess that's the question-- what does being 'on top of the pyramid' translate to? More valuable? More primary? More advanced? (...) I gots me some edgy-kay-shuns in philosophy-- and arguably dipping into psychology. I seem to recall that (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, Chris, that's life. Life is unfair. And no amount of social engineering is going to change that. The best we can do is assist our fellow men and they us, and together we will muddle through life the best we can. But what I don't (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Escape the situation if possible, or enumerate the differences if escape wasn't possible, with the proviso that I was being coerced into doing so, and you didn't have the sanction of the victim to do that to me... (...) No. I think the claim (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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