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(...) Um, no I don't. And stop resetting the FUT back to geek. (...) For NASA, sure. They blew 100B on something that could have been built out of spent shuttle fuel tanks if they had spent about 100M early in the program. For Burt Rutan, no. (or (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave K and I are both right although the casual reader may not see it. He's right under the assumption that all your mass is going to come from earth and you need a place to assemble all the bits and pieces into a ship that was too big to launch in (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Boost the fuel (and oxidizer) from earth? Fuel maybe, oxidizer no. The moon has among its most common elements: oxygen, silicon and aluminum Solar cells can be made from silicon and aluminum + trace elements. Just add energy. (and technology (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave, get on message; it is termed a "Pre-emptive attack". Scott A (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is pretty clear that Isreal does whatever it wants because it is "on Uncle Sam's payroll". It is Isreal which has broken countless UN resolutions. (...) It is a democracy in the same sense that (URL) apartheid> South Africa was a democracy. (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm here guys..:-) not vanished yet. Actually quite alive and kicking. Just not have enough time since I got that new job/position since september 2001. I'm still lurking around though, from time to time. I might be catching up and restart in (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not what I'm saying at all. In fact, in my post: (URL) asserted quite the opposite: (...) But Israel, as the coddled foster child of the mighty US, enjoys a privilege of protection that its neighbors do not enjoy. Therefore, Israel has (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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orrex@excite.com (Dave Schuler) wrote in <HrHx8H.1zHJ@lugnet.com>: (...) So those other Middle Eastern nations can do whatever they want, because they're not on Uncle Sam's payroll? (...) Israel is also the only democracy in the region... (...) (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think we all know who the biggest threat to "world peace" right now is. Just like we know which country played a big part in 911. Don't allow yourself to be distracted by the media... or even life on mars! Scott A (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So why make an issue of the "current worldwide antisemitism" when there are bigger fish to fry? Can I assume we a agree that: Other forms of racism are more prevalent than anti-Semitism? The notion of a "Jewish state" is undemocratic? WW2 does (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Indeed! Note: For every dollar that Washington spent on an African, it spent $250+ on an Israeli! (...) You both appear to be missing something. Read (URL) this>: "There are many other costs of Israel to U.S. taxpayers, such as most or all of (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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It looks like Bush Jr has had a busy week. When he has not been (URL) exporting “terrorists”> to the UK he has been taking (URL) lessons in democracy> from Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani. Of course, (URL) some will say> that he does not really take these (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I hope he hasn't either but you're replying to a post that's 9 months old, you know... I just found that particular Iran thread and reanimated it, because I wanted to reply to a particular post I recall making. (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Selçuk! Where have you been, man? I haven't seen you around here for some time. Good to see you haven't vanished. best LFB (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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An interesting link I found while trolling around... (URL) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Much snippage.. (...) Nothing's changed my view on that: (URL) Iran is a threat to peace everywhere, democracy or not. Nothing's changed my view on that either: (URL) (older but good) (URL) (today) (Note that pointing out that they're not the only (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doh! Good call. Time for me to fall back on good ol' fashioned Eurocentrism, in which Egypt is gathered under the umbrella of "quasi-European" nations rather than African or Middle Eastern states. Um, yeah. That'll be convincing. (...) Prop (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Snipped everything I agreed with, leaving one little bitty bit... (...) yes... way too much. Asserted to be more than all the rest of the direct foreign aid budget combined but I don't have a cite that I trust handy... (...) Um, how many B USD a (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) Wait for it.... Dave K -maybe he's just on vacation... (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One reason is that the US provides massive funding and military support for Israel but not for other Middle Eastern nations. Additionally, Israel is after all, the only nation in the region confirmed to possess nuclear weapons, but the US (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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dr_scott_arthur@yahoo.co.uk (Scott A) wrote in <HrHJ6M.1F4I@lugnet.com>: (...) No, but I don't need to. I didn't say anything about other forms of racism, I merely observe that antisemitism is alive and kicking. (...) But that's not what you were (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean by "current worldwide antisemitism"; can you show than anti-Semitism is anymore prevalent that other forms of racism? After all, prisons in the USA are not full of Jews! Does racism against blacks not count? What happened in (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) He's Scottish? Get him out of here! Dave! (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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dr_scott_arthur@yahoo.co.uk (Scott A) wrote in <Hr2E5y.17H7@lugnet.com>: (...) Many Jews feel that a Jewish state is the only place on earth where they can be reasonably safe. A feeling that's not wholly unwarranted, given details like the WW2 (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I got word today that Homeland Security is temporarily (they say) impounding my belongings coming from South Africa--almost all books and papers, with a few other personal effects (clothing) for a CET or "Contraband Examination Team" search. (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There was a good piece in yesterday's Telegraph (UK rightwing paper) which covered some of this ground: (URL) measures are tiresome, expensive - and won't work> "The new measure is like too many of the laws and initiatives introduced since (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This article is worrisome to me. I realize Dennis Prager was being allegorical, but that fact might be lost on those who do a quick scan of the article. His half-hearted disclaimer in the last sentence hardly makes up for the (...) (21 years ago, 9-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That works for me; appropriately, Karl Rove then becomes Sauron. Let's destroy his Ring! Dave! (21 years ago, 9-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) Example>: Mentally ill man executed in US - "The state of Arkansas has executed a man with a severe mental illness. Charles Singleton, 44, was forcibly given anti-psychotic drugs which made him lucid enough under court guidelines to be (...) (21 years ago, 9-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hey, did my monocle roll over there? It seems like the darn thing's always popping off these days... (21 years ago, 9-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:Hr7867.x9r@lugnet.com... (...) I'd like to see Jimmy Carter in Gandalf's position: "See? Pacifism wins!" And then he gets stomped on by an Olyphant, or side-swiped by it's spiked (...) (21 years ago, 9-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Not sure this link will work... (URL) Prager has got it all wrong... GWB isn't like Aragorn, he's more like Sarumon, but not as bright. But I found the piece funny anyway, if a bit unkind. (21 years ago, 9-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From the (URL) BBC>: "The Carnegie Endowment said it had studied hundreds of documents and interviewed dozens of specialists for its report WMD: Evidence and Implications. The report says there was "no convincing evidence" that Iraq had (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I doubt a bunch of starving immigrants will do much for crime statistics. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Because we get our own IMF warning! (URL) I'm so proud! (21 years ago, 8-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can we not all just get a barcode tattoo at birth; it really would cut back on all this paperwork. ;) Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The was a rather engaging item in The Times today: (URL) BA defends rights to queue for the loo at 20,000ft> "...the United States ordered airlines entering its airspace to ban passengers from queueing for the lavatories... The directive from the (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) the problem with all biometric ID is that the ID you would need to 'prove' your identity can easily be faked, e.g. birth certificate, driving license, etc. What a biometric ID would prevent would be dual IDs (vocabularyroviding the database (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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NR showing protectionist stripes? (URL) Krikorian may be right that access to cheap labor means less labor saving innovation, but (apparently not being a free trader) he misses the point. Employers should have the choice of whether to use cheap (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From today's USA Today (URL) actual printed version of the story (at least in the ATL market) had a picture of a Brazilian immigration official subjecting a US visitor to the same indignities we apparently are submitting visitors from Brazil to... (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I’m sure all (URL) this> is doing wonders for the American tourist industry! Scott A Have you had a look at Arthurs Seat Yet? (2 URLs) (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, it looks like I might have to get fingerprinted when I arrive for BF PDX, and I don't like that one bit! Not sure yet - they're still debating whether countries that have visa exemptions (incl Aus for stays less than 90 days) will also (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The Transportation Security Adminstration may be misnamed... there's an "in" missing, as in "INsecurity" (URL) there's a great article in the Feb issue of Reason as well. (21 years ago, 8-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this says it all: "We want clean air, clear water, good living conditions, the best health care in the world--yet we aren't willing to pay for anything manufactured under those restrictions." End result: the things we buy will all end (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It must be great being an American Muslim and knowing that your government does not trust any of your brethren enough to offer these guys, who have not been charged with any crime, solace. I don't expect this will loose Bush any votes. Just (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Here's an interesting article from Fast Company (URL) actually found the link on an EDI mailing list I'm on (Wal-Mart requires all suppliers to use EDI in trading with it, good for us since we're pretty strong in EDI, but not necessarily great for (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) None of the detainees have 'spiritual guidance' from their particular religions flavour--so at least there's no 'favouritism' going on--all detainees are being treated equally in this regard. Eh, there are larger fish to fry, as pointed out in (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Very nice.> This will prove to the world that the US isn't at war against Islam. Dave! (21 years ago, 6-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The Republicans in Northern Ireland are also said to be playing the waiting game. (...) I'm not sure how silly it is: + Israel’s population growth has not been internal. + The current state of affairs must be acting as a disincentive for the (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This sounds remarkably like the natalist scares/forecasts of interwar Europe (and, in fact, even before WWI) that raised a cry over German fecundity that would destroy France and England; it also isn't unlike dire predictions concerning the (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I suppose the final slide will be SH's trial... and I doubt that will happen before Bush's "re-election"... Washington’s historic support for SH is really small beer when compared to its involvement in places like Indonesia [CIA helped kill up (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) Poor Howard>: "Mr Dean said he prayed daily and had read the Bible from cover to cover. Asked about his favourite book in the New Testament, he named Job (the story of a religious man whose faith is tested by God through suffering). An hour (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think that was his point? (...) If you read the cited text you'll see data with suicides excluded: "Homicides dropped to 47 in 2001 from 84 in 1991, accidental deaths dropped to 18 from 29, while other forms of firearm deaths slipped to (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Snipped the second URL, it seems munged, but you can go upthread to find it. (...) That's a small number from a large population. Is the increase statistically significant? Also on the Australian stats cited upthread, what is/was the overall (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So, then... Is it better to play the realpolitik game, with the State Department and the CIA careerists running things with or without (mostly with) the connivance of the current administration of whatever color/stripe/type? Or... is it better (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) Here.> Takes a few minutes to play. (21 years ago, 5-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Gun deaths in Toronto was up 35 percent in 2003 from 2002. 60 gun related deaths and 300 gun related injuries. 60 in a town of 8 million (one quarter the pop of Canada, btw) Eh, not the debate I want to start the year with. Dave K -"outta my (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) Gun deaths halved in past 10 years> (URL) More ammunition for gun control advocates? Scott A (21 years ago, 5-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I found this a good read: (URL) who threaten to topple Israel:> "At the heart of all this is simple mathematics. Forecasts from the United States' Population Reference Bureau show Israel's population doubling in 45 years, that of the West Bank in 21 (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is not something I advertise. Smoking is not something I am proud of and I do try to smoke in ways that do not interfere with non-smokers right to clear air. ____ (21 years ago, 30-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Inadvertantly!!!!... I seriously forgot that you smoked... it's not something I pay much attention to (except when I get a load of bricks from Europe and it starts reeking up the house as soon as I slice into the first layer of packing tape, (...) (21 years ago, 30-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, smart Guy...... Oh, before I start my reply I would like to say I find this thread also great fun. Even if Larry pokes at me :) (...) Yes, I used to fill vending machines and I would guess that about 40% of my income was due to everyday (...) (21 years ago, 30-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me get this straight, then: the article only mentions "pressure" by the USA, when trying to make sure others *EXEMPT* US citizens from prosecution in ICC. In essence, are you accusing your own country of covertly "bribing" those who grant (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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For those who think Bush is right in trying to get Iraq's debt lifted... perhaps you should suggest he look closer to home first: (URL) It's greed, not ideology, that rules the White House> ==+== The Kissinger transcript proves that the US gave (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not really. It was a personal recollection; as was clear in my post. (...) Was it not clear from my post that the cited page was reather light-hearted? (...) Your post was in direct response to mine; that should be clear to everyone? (...) (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) of the Cato Institute... (...) I'm mostly on the same page as you here. However I don't think the US constitution ever promised that non citizens have any particular rights outside of US borders did it? I think habeas corpus applies to (or at (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually I think Scott brought it up and the answers you seek are in the article he provided earlier in this thread: (URL) for some reason you mysteriously deleted in this post: (URL) you so desire, you can reprint the entire BBC article here. (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(moreso than usual...) From (URL) court rulings last week about the rights of prisoners held in the U.S. "war on terrorism" represent a rebuke to the Bush administration's legal tactics following the September 11 attacks, analysts and human rights (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok. I find it relevant because *you* brought it up, and have not ellaborated what you meant. It's very easy to leave vague suspicion in the air, so what I'm asking you is to be blunt and say whom, in this regard, bribes/is bribed and *to do (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, but I don't, so I can't really add much here. Perhaps if you tell us *why* you find it so relevent I might be able to reply to that. (...) No, you got me there. We usually hire professional lawyers and politicians around here to "fix" (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Dirty Harry is a Libertarian (was: While You Were Out)
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(...) It's (URL) all there> at the LP site. He explains the philosophy in simple terms: "Everyone leaves everyone else alone." And: "At Waco, was there really an urgency to get those people out of the compound at that particular time? Was the press (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Democracy.... Dubya Style
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much snippage (...) I should note that there is good info elsewhere in that site, many of the arguments that Hubin makes against Libertarianism (in the guise of making arguments against the arguments advanced by libertarian macho flashers, there is (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I stress again that I find this relevant. (...) Oh bribery is a crime all right. But I doubt it can fit the definition of war crime. Care to prove me wrong? (...) True, it is close to Europe (we use the term "Mediterranean Basin" as well when (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On this I concur. As stated earlier, sarcasm and humour have their places in debate and discourse--however, there has to be some substance--saying a point is stupid is fine and all--proving it is where the true debate lies. (...) snip sit back (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Unfortunately, sometimes they are cites of the caliber of the ones given in this post (URL) first one is an unattributed false (1) claim that tars by association(2) and the next one is facile... the cited material is not much more than satire (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree. I once read that the nearest we have ever come to libertarianism was Pinochet's Chile… OK if you were rich I suppose. Check past posts in this very group and you'll see that libertarianism been comprehensively rubbished by everyone (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) A (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the case of the USA, I'd like to change that to: "I don't believe in capital punishment anymore for when was the last time you saw a rich white person get executed. It's my feeling that the death penalty is barbaric. The way it is applied (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) For the record, I've always tried to provide cites! Scott A (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John & yourself are free to try. ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. I don't think you actually can have a pure anything. But you can have systems that are more libertarian or less, and more socialist or less, and more fascist or less, etc. I claim that the more libertarian you go, the better things (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True, but neither has pure Communism, pure Socialism, or pure Democracy, for that matter. I'm not convinced that we can meaningfully speculate what a "pure" incarnation of any of these systems would be like, except by undertaking selective (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that's a bad assumption. Human beings didn't evolve to what we are by being nice to all the other furry creatures, or for that matter, other local tribes of human beings. Goodness came later, when we had time for that sort of thing. (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In some states, driving has been argued to be more of a right than a privledge. I don't actually know how they work it in the EU, so maybe it's not the best example, but it was easy to lay out. (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It (in pure form) hasn't been tried in practice. (...) Why? Take as your base assumption that people are basically good, with some exceptions, and set up your system to reward goodness and punish badness. Suffering the consequences of your (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good example. The system has been set up to exempt tickets from due process, in my view, because they say driving is a priv, and it's not a criminal offence but rather a civil infraction and a bunch of other stuff. That's their explanation, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since it's Christmas^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hthe Holidays, I figure I should throw in this nugget for you debators. I also think this is the problem with Libertarianism (is that a word?) In Theory it sounds like a really good system, but it falls (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Charge anyone caught bribing smaller countries with war crimes? (...) Sorry, I blame my crappy US lack of education for that one. I meant the Balkans. (...) Yeah, but North Africa is geographically closer to Europe than the US. And there is a (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahh, the Misanthropic B goes mainstream.... I know a family very much like that. But, eh, whatrya gonna do? Dave K -almost a guarantee that it's not TMB, but the article vaguely reminded me of her... (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So close to the big holiday (and thinking of the bills I'll be saddled with, Josette decided everyone at the barn needed a new saddle blanket with their name embroidered on it as a gift and guess who gets to pay!), I found this story amusing, but (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Two shows a night, plus a matinee on Sunday. Don't forget to tip your server. Dave! (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not militant, merely persnickety. One's bad, the other's a charming quirk. See how that works? :-) (...) He was mayor of Carmel CA (I think it was Carmel, I know it was somewhere in CA), so he has a little experience. Also he's made vaguely (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) lol I applaud you, Pedro, for making puns in a foreign language-- a trick that many native tongues find elusive! Well done:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) Well with both groups copied, they're on/off topic no matter what. Depending on where you want to take this, I guess. (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) We surely can debate that... :-P Pedro (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) Yes. And "to what end" as well, don't leave that one out. (...) And what do you propose to "fix it", if anything? (...) Two things: if money could buy charges in the ICC that easily, the court would be overwhelmed with legal actions already. (...) (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> From the site: " Gee, sometimes this new technology does have glitches, but we couldn't live without it, could we? Oh - is it ready? OK, here we go: " reminded me of Bill Maher, who was on Larry King the other night... He told this (...) (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think actually that was what sohmer did, at least it seemed that way to me early this morning but I was a bit bleary eyed... (...) Or in this case just use it! Tangentially I believe that Todd has that feature under development for here. (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I laughed. That PPP was really funny--'new nations' bar graph--1.0... (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agree, but it's a good one. (...) Both parties were just childish--"It's my birthday so I wanted to post a hottie!! Why is everyone picking on me???" "Oh fine! If you don't want my hotties then someone else can do it!!!" This is where my 'put (...) (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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