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Re: Democracy.... Dubya Style
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:47:19 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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Whereas I usually concur with you, Larry, it seems as of late that Scott had
developed a debate style in which his points are backed up and cited,
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Unfortunately, sometimes they are cites of the caliber of the ones given in
this post
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=23056
the first one is an unattributed false (1) claim
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Not really. It was a personal recollection; as was clear in my post.
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that tars by association(2)
and the next one is facile... the cited material is not much more than satire
or ridicule, broadly drawn, not really much to hang an argument on, and he
closes with a claim that because everyone’s (that is, Scott and J2)
“rubbished” something it must not be any good.
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Was it not clear from my post that the cited page was reather light-hearted?
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I’m OK with the notion that an idea (that people ought to be able to do as
they like as long as they don’t harm others, for example) is a good idea even
if it’s not well liked by “everyone”.
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as is the case with this particular arguement.
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It’s not enough to throw out quotes and pseudo cites. They, in my view
anyway, have to, be actual cites, not smears and they have to be relevant,
and they have to help advance the argument being made.
The post I cite is, in my view, a prime example of how not to cite, it’s the
“old Scott” back again. Too bad, really. But it’s why I never respond
directly
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Your post was in direct response to mine; that should be clear to everyone?
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to him any more. because he just backslides again. Better that he
get the “last word” than that we go round and round. I trust the critical
thinkers out there to see through it all and make their own minds up.
1 - *I* certainly wouldn’t consider Pinochet’s dictatorship very libertarian,
nor would most libertarian scholars,
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Care to provide a cite for that? ;)
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and it is certainly *not* the most
libertarian society we’ve yet seen. There are many many better candidates
than a tired fascist dictatorship like Pinochet’s.
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Care to provide a cite for that? ;)
Please try to be objective or even constructive! I think lugnet is better when
we don’t resort to personal attacks. I think you should refer to the TOS before
you next make a post directed at me.
Scott A
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2 - this is actually a standard propaganda tactic. Make a false equivalence
between the thing you want to discredit and something generally held to be
bad, and voila, even if you’re later proven wrong, you’ve planted the
association in some people’s minds anyway. (or alternatively if you are
trying to positively influence, make a false association to something good...
why are so many product adverts ones in which the product user seems to be
surrounded with beautiful people?)
++Lar
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| (...) Unfortunately, sometimes they are cites of the caliber of the ones given in this post (URL) first one is an unattributed false (1) claim that tars by association(2) and the next one is facile... the cited material is not much more than satire (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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