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Re: Democracy.... Dubya Style
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:58:40 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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Whereas I usually concur with you, Larry, it seems as of late that Scott had
developed a debate style in which his points are backed up and cited,
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Unfortunately, sometimes they are cites of the caliber of the ones given in
this post
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=23056
the first one is an unattributed false (1) claim that tars by association(2)
and the next one is facile... the cited material is not much more than satire
or ridicule, broadly drawn, not really much to hang an argument on, and he
closes with a claim that because everyone’s (that is, Scott and J2)
“rubbished” something it must not be any good.
I’m OK with the notion that an idea (that people ought to be able to do as
they like as long as they don’t harm others, for example) is a good idea even
if it’s not well liked by “everyone”.
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as is the case with this particular arguement.
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It’s not enough to throw out quotes and pseudo cites. They, in my view
anyway, have to, be actual cites, not smears and they have to be relevant,
and they have to help advance the argument being made.
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On this I concur. As stated earlier, sarcasm and humour have their places in
debate and discourse--however, there has to be some substance--saying a point is
stupid is fine and all--proving it is where the true debate lies.
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The post I cite is, in my view, a prime example of how not to cite, it’s the
“old Scott” back again. Too bad, really. But it’s why I never respond
directly to him any more. because he just backslides again. Better that he
get the “last word” than that we go round and round. I trust the critical
thinkers out there to see through it all and make their own minds up.
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sit back and give ‘im enuf rope then?
Dave K
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| much snippage (...) I should note that there is good info elsewhere in that site, many of the arguments that Hubin makes against Libertarianism (in the guise of making arguments against the arguments advanced by libertarian macho flashers, there is (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Unfortunately, sometimes they are cites of the caliber of the ones given in this post (URL) first one is an unattributed false (1) claim that tars by association(2) and the next one is facile... the cited material is not much more than satire (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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