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Re: Democracy.... Dubya Style
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:49:21 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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So Bush talks about Freedom and Liberty whist funding gross human rights
abuses in places like Uzbekistan & Israel and you think he is not
“dishonest”?
He hands out “lucrative” contracts to his buddies and you think he is
not corrupt?
Wake up, you are dreaming!
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How could one sleep with your incessant SOS rants?
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Easy: Prove me wrong.
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Ride, Ride, Ride!
JOHN
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When uttered by Scott, “Easy” and “prove me wrong” don’t belong anywhere near
each other.
He happens to be mostly right (about the Bush II Admin and the great stink
emanating from it) this time, but when he’s wrong about something, proving it
to his satisfaction has typically turned out to be impossible to do
effectively, at least in this medium. It has something to do with the nature
of discourse here and his didactic or rhetorical style.
The absolute best you can do is make it blazingly obvious to everyone else
(or at least the clear thinkers among us) that you’ve thorougly destroyed his
argument and debunked his claims, and let it go at that. In my view anyway.
And that’s one of the main reasons why he always gets the last word when he’s
responding to me, even if I agree with him... I’m trying hard not to even get
drawn in to the endless strings of back and forth, it’s a massive timewaster.
I’m surprised that you’ve forgotten that, John! Newbies like Don may not
realise it yet though... Hence this public service announcement. :-)
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Whereas I usually concur with you, Larry, it seems as of late that Scott had
developed a debate style in which his points are backed up and cited, as is hte
case with this particular arguement.
If the counter arguement to this debate is ‘ride ride ride’, I fail to see how
that refutes Scotts points on this particular issue. I would agree that had
there been a legitimate refution of the points and Scott went down the ‘stylish’
path that he’s known and loved for in the past, it would be at that point where
I’d have written off his arguement as hopelessly rhetorical.
At this point in the discussion, the rhetoric is not coming from ‘Camp Scott’
and, lately, Scott hasn’t played that card.
I wait with anticipation to the continued discussion.
Dave K
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Message has 4 Replies:
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| (...) I haven't forgotten, Lar! I was in "mock mode" with my comment with no intention whatsoever in engaging Scott on these topics. (...) I love the notion here in this group that if one produces a cite, it somehow validates an idea. Reminds me of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Just tossing out cites does not in and of itself "prove the case"... You need to actually make a cogent argument that comes to a particular conclusion, and the cites then serve as evidence in support of your claims, assuming they themselves (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Unfortunately, sometimes they are cites of the caliber of the ones given in this post (URL) first one is an unattributed false (1) claim that tars by association(2) and the next one is facile... the cited material is not much more than satire (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) When uttered by Scott, "Easy" and "prove me wrong" don't belong anywhere near each other. He happens to be mostly right (about the Bush II Admin and the great stink emanating from it) this time, but when he's wrong about something, proving it (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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