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Re: Why do you love bley?
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lugnet.color
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Fri, 11 May 2007 09:56:08 GMT
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In lugnet.color, David Laswell wrote:
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In lugnet.color, Timothy Gould wrote:
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I think you misunderstood my request. I wanted evidence, not a description
of your ability to match gels in theater work.
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It has been a few years since I was actively working in theatrical lighting,
I don’t have ready access to my lighting design texts, I don’t have the color
temperature chart memorized, and I don’t have access to any type of
spectroscope. I can’t tell you the specific color temperature of the basic
LEGO blue color, but I can tell you that it’s not primary blue. I also can’t
tell you if the pantone values of the official LEGO colors account for the
milky tan tint that natural ABS has, or if they are just the color values of
the pigments before they are added to the plastic resin.
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So basically your entire argument isn’t based on any sort of colour theory but
your own opinion. Why then, did you try to bring up a theory you could neither
provide evidence for or even discuss?
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So how about you
prove to me that the bleys do look better with the majority of the LEGO
color palette, particularly to someone who is not red-green colorblind, such
as myself. Or follow my suggestion and take a blue brick to a paint store
that can do color-matching, and have them give you the results. That way you
could know for sure that I wasn’t falsifying the results just to “suit my
purposes”.
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I don’t need to prove anything. My initial statement was obviously a statement
of my opinion and I didn’t try to dress it up in some form of ‘theory’. Since
you did try to dress your opinion up you should provide evidence for it. That’s
how theory works.
In order to better help you provide your evidence I’ve provided a list of the
hypotheses required for your theory to hold. If you would be so kind as to
provide some evidence for each then perhaps others and I may believe your
assertion.
- Bley and dark bley are cool colours
- The majority of the LEGO colour pallette is warm
- Warm and cool colours do not work together
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Considering that I have sat around tweaking rendering settings I’m well
aware of this. I’ll rephrase it for you and hope you will maintain the same
high standards in subsequent descriptions of colour. “(but perfectly fine
with fresh off-white with the pantone colour CoolGrey1C or the RGB triplet
242/355,243/255,242/255)”
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Now, have you verified that this is accurate over a wide range of monitors,
or are you just going by how it appears on your own? Is your monitor
accurately tuned in, or does it lean towards the blue as is very common with
computer monitors? Because, frankly, I’ve never noticed any greenish tint to
LEGO white, as your numbers seem to suggest you do. But maybe that’s an
issue with your red-green colorblindness.
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I don’t need to. I took the colour from Isodomos who read and averaged it from a
series of bricks with a colour scanner. Short of a full blown laboratory test
you’re not going to get a more neutral and accurate value.
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Do you mean the bricks contained in a translucent plastic box with coloured
background imagery and usually its own lighting or models sitting out for
the children to handle? Because if it’s the former I’m sure you’ll
understand with your excellent grasp of colour theory that the external
store lighting probably has minimal effect on what you see through the
plastic.
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I’m sure you’re aware that acrylic is an optically clear plastic, and
therefore WYSIWYG. The display box covers do not change the look of the
plastic at all, excepting that the corners and edges will necessarily cast
shadows that would not be present in an uncovered display, and any curved
sections will distort the light as it passes through. And since many of
these display boxes do not have any places to install lighting fixtures
(being that they just have a clear canopy mounted over them, and they’re
sitting on the top shelf of the stack), in-store lighting is the only source
of lighting that could possibly affect the look of the plastic.
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I’ve never seen this type of box and putting one on the top of a stack seems a
strange place for them. Perhaps some kind Americans can take some photos.
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But if you
think the look of the plastic is so significantly changed, take a light-grey
brick and a light-bley brick with you the next time you go peruse a LEGO
aisle and see what they look like in the open.
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What would that prove? You’re making all these statements and requests of my
time to back up your hypothesis. Weird.
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And even if they do have
built-in lighting fixtures, it’s very likely that they are also cool-white
flourescents, and therefore should be nearly, if not exactly, the same color
spectrum as the in-store lighting, depending of course on the manufacturer.
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So you’re now saying that cool-white varies? Interesting.
Tim
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| (...) "My reasons are as follows: ...More attractive hues which better match other LEGO colours" Looks like a statement of (supposed) fact to me. So, you presented it as fact. You demanded evidence when I informed you that you were wrong. You don't (...) (17 years ago, 12-May-07, to lugnet.color, FTX)
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| (...) It has been a few years since I was actively working in theatrical lighting, I don't have ready access to my lighting design texts, I don't have the color temperature chart memorized, and I don't have access to any type of spectroscope. I (...) (17 years ago, 10-May-07, to lugnet.color, FTX)
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