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Eduardo, I really like this idea. I have no experience whatsoever with making bootable CDs, but I'm sure someone else here does. Some questions... I assume that all file saving would happen to hard disk or floppy, unless a rewritable medium such as (...) (22 years ago, 15-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | [Parts Tracker] Working on Update 2002-04
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FYI, I'm going to be working on update 2002-04 today (and maybe tomorrow). During this time, the Parts Tracker should be shutdown for file submissions and review posting. In the past, there have been bugs in the website-locking mechanism that have (...) (22 years ago, 15-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Yet another idea - Portable Ldraw system
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Good but is not want I wamt to and second I can't buy hardware so just tell me how to make my boot disk (...) (22 years ago, 15-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Yet another idea - Portable Ldraw system
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Well, sounds like a plan. There are a few things that you can do to make it easier and maybe faster. I for one would definately network the computers. All you will need is 2 NICs (Network Interface Cards) a hub or switch (preferably a switch) and (...) (22 years ago, 15-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Yet another idea - Portable Ldraw system
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As sometime the electricity goes and as I don't have a laptop and even sometimes my brother wants to play games as I have a powerfull PC but I can't just stop my ldraw work or what ever i'm doing for him to play so as we have 3 pc's and I found on (...) (22 years ago, 14-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Where does LDraw look for files?
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(...) That's just the way I have interpreted the FAQ. I think that this is what is to be understood from the "in the following order" part. Fredrik (22 years ago, 14-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Found in LDraw FAQ: (...) That's perfectly clear, but still I have to ask: What if a file exists in two or more of these folders? Will it say: "Hey I found in 'The current folder'! Now I don't have to look anymore."? Or will it keep scanning and (...) (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Math problem
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Hi, I've been having headaches for over two nights now trying to figure something out for my animation program. I have made it possible to change the rotation point of an model. This works fine but I want it to be possible to change the point during (...) (22 years ago, 10-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: When Did Tiles Get Their Groove?
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(...) I have heard reliable reports of recently opened MISB sets from 1973 and 1976 without and with grooves, respectively. I think that narrows down the time frame for the addition of the groove (to nongrille tiles). It would be good to narrow it (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.db.brictionary)
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| | Re: Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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(...) Correcting the winding shouldn't be too bad -- if the L3 code is available (ie, look in the ldglite source code) -- check how Lars detects bad winding, and how he figured the (more) correct winding. Steve (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: [Parts Tracker] Minifig Patterns Updated somewhat
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(...) "(URL) with "Fright Knight 2" (i.e., this minifig: "(URL) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Or I could say that the first polygon in a part must be wound correctly and then proceed from there. (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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FYI, I've done some more work on the minifig pattern reference pages, which are at: (URL). The basic changes are: - Created Rock Raiders page, assigning codes to all the RR crew. And moved the Jet torso from 973pxx to 973paj. - Cleaned up Star Wars (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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(...) Also, once you know the direction for one (or more) polygons, any polygons that share an edge can have their direction determined. If polygon #1 has wrapping ABCD, and polygon #2 has vertices ABEF, then polygon #2's wrapping will involve a (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> skrev i meddelandet news:H0I44E.2vE@lugnet.com... (...) An idea: Drawing with a software Z-buffer it's trivial to note _which_ polygons are the finally visible ones (at every pixel). Those are on the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: MPD spec
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(...) I'd like to weigh in on this issue. I like using the .ldr extension for everything. I also like being able to refer to another MPD file (with the .ldr extension) from within an MPD file. I also like being able to call the the first subfile the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) This is all going into the keywords search info, so stunningly technical is probably more than I'll deliver on. :) Steve (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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I think I am going to load referenced subparts only and use the first one of recursive mpd files, ignoring the rest for now for LD4DModeler's MPD support. Roland. (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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(...) Oops, I guess you caught me. I knew about that one but I'm too lazy to implement it. Isn't that the method used by MLCAD? (...) Yeah, probably. Seems like only yesterday I was all excited about some code snippet of his that I found on the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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Portals. It's not backface culling, it's testing all polygons for visibility using possible rays through the openings, or from the sides of a bounding box. This is no longer culling based on front/back but true visibility that is computed once at (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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(...) OK, but if the quads and triangles don't form a single closed surface, or actually a bunch of closed surfaces, then the algorithm won't work. However, like I said, if you find something that works, post the code or the algorithm and you'll be (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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(...) Yes but I'm not parsing primitive subfiles in my plugin, just quads and triangles. -Orion (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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(...) I love searching lugnet for neat old stuff... (URL) can't remember if any working code ever came out of this 3 year old thread, but this *is* a nifty sounding algorithm. If I were working on that plugin, I'd probably go back and read the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I wouldn't bother. This well known algorithm is based on an assumption that simply isn't true for the parts files. The assumption is that there is one single enclosed space inside of each part. But I think the studs are open at one end and are (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | numbers report - 7 August 2002
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Stats for Unofficial Files 213 certified files. 222 files need admin review. 160 files need more votes. 241 have uncertified subfiles. 133 held files. 969 files total. For comparison: 2002-08-07 - 213 / 222 / 160 / 241 / 133 (969) 2002-07-16 - 131 / (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Beginner's tutorial to programming LDraw utilities (Delphi Edition)
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(...) Thanks! (...) There are lots of free resources for Delphi newbies on the net + a very good context sensitive online help. The description you requested is only a keystroke away (for those who have Delphi installed.) The Delphi help system is (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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(...) Thanks for the info, but it's easier written than applied. It'll take an entire revamp of my code. -Orion (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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Error: read: Count how many *other* polygons this line segment intersects. for Count how many polygons this line segment intersects. Or, if counting your own polygon, switch even and odd. (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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The simple algorithm: Project a normal from any vertex of the polygon to some point far beyond the object. Count how many polygons this line segment intersects. If odd, the normal was pointing in, if even, the normal was pointing out. This assumes (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Detemining Polygon Winding (Was: New Plugin for LDDesignPad)
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(...) Tell me about it. (...) I think have the math right for determining polygon winding. The problem is this, how do can I traverse the polygonal faces of a convex or concave polyhedron(a part) and know that I'm looking at said polygon from the (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Updating other persons parts?
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I for one would welcome someone to fix my poor attempt at my parts :). Wouldn't hurt my pride at all. (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) By the way--are you going to make it to Pennsic this year, you crazy medieval geek?!? Dave! (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Very good! :) (...) That's all we ask. It doesn't have to be complete -- if there's no good term for brown, then we don't have any data to add for it. Brown is brown. (...) If you could email them to me in bunches, that'd be great. Steve (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Ok. I'll work on building the proper heraldric terms for the various blazons in use. I'll bug my wife, and see if she can give me some of the terminology for some of the clothing indicated on the torso patterns (although most of those, I (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Heraldry Terms
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(...) Well, heraldry terms and technical names for objects are always good. I'm looking for any words that people might reasonably use to search for a part. You can check the patterned parts on these pages: (URL) you click the link on each (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yup, exactly right. If you want to get *stunningly* technical, "real" heraldry omits any punctuation at all(1), but I find it a real pain to read that way. thanks, James 1:technically "Or, A Lion Salient Azure" should be "Or a lion salient (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Gold. :) Almost all of the heraldric terms come from old French. Salient is derived old French for leaping or jumping; Or is old (and current) french for gold. (...) Will do. Is there specific info you're looking for, or should I just shout if (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) So this part (URL) be "Or, A lion Salient Azure"? Steve (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Or = gold Dave! (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Maybe this is a stupid question, but does "Or" have a jargon-meaning? Or is it just 'or', used in an unusually-constructed phrase? I'll add this information to the ldraw parts keywords. If y'all have any other castle-y goodness to add to the (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Whoops! wasn't paying enough attention. :/ That thar lion is Salient. Both feet on the floor. so "A Lion Salient Or, on a Field Azure" or more traditionally: "Azure, A lion Salient Or" HTH James (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) "A Lion Rampant Or, on a Field Azure" thanks, James (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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The lion on this shield: (URL) would it be described as Rampant? Dexter? Steve (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: New Plugin for LDDesignPad
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Hello Orion, to program a plugin like that isn't too easy. I wish i could help but I am an math idiot ;) Maybe someone else can help in this matter? Play well Carsten p.s.: I will put a link on my website as soon as I can spare some time. Work is (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Updating other persons parts?
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[XFUT lugnet.cad.dev] (...) As long as you've tried to make contact, and not gotten a response, go ahead and make your changes. Steve (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Beginner's tutorial to programming LDraw utilities (Delphi Edition)
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(...) Very good idea. :) (...) Very nice. You might want to include a short description of what IniFile.ReadString does, especially the third parameter. For myself, I'd rather include a bozo-value (like '%%NOTFOUND%%' or '') as the default value for (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: MPD spec
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(...) I can appreciate your concern. For now, let me develop a document that treats the two specs as variations. If you're unhappy with my results, we could easily rework it into two totally separate standards. BUT, IMO, a new standard that breaks (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: New Plugin for LDDesignPad
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After some more extensive testing, I've found this plugin to not work the way it was intended. It will still work for some files and for single sided, non-hollow "parts" but otherwise it will not produced adequate results. Oh well, I guess I (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Beginner's tutorial to programming LDraw utilities (Delphi Edition)
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I'm planning to make a tutorial on the subject mentioned above. There is a lot of code that could be recycled and a lot of wheels that shouldn't be reinvented all the time by new programmers. Step One is about making your program find the path to (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: New Plugin for LDDesignPad
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(...) Released for 20 minutes and I already found a major problem, concave portions of parts don't convert well. -Orion (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | New Plugin for LDDesignPad
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I've completed my first plugin for LDDesignPad. It will take a file and BfC certify for CCW winding. There are a few limitations: 1.) It doesn't handle bad vertex sequences, so these need to be fixed prior to running. 2.) It won't add INVERTNEXT (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: MPD spec
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(...) Good point. I like the idea of a clearly defined new version of the file format. This would be a good point also to rename multi-part files in the second version to something relating to .LDR - perhaps .MPL could make the distinction? -Tim (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Or perhaps MPD and LD2. We have discussed the time for a new, not LDraw compatible standard years ago. I don't like the idea of an "almost LDraw compatible" standard. Isn't it better to go all the way with maybe type 6, 7, 8... commands than (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Paths, explicit drive references, and the case of file names
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(...) I would rather say that I had been lucky with the design of the program. I don't think I had to change much to make it work as you requested, but you can compare this and the previous version of the source code. Play well, Jacob (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) [...] That looks like the right solution. Play well, Jacob (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Wow! That was fast! :) Steve (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) No, I hadn't. I was taking the view that MPD files are not compatible with LDraw, and I was not too concerned with making them 'more compatible'. See my other recent message for a suggested way to standardize both "LDraw-ready" and "never (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Paths, explicit drive references, and the case of file names
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(...) Okay. I have made that an option with the latest edition of my MPD splitter: (URL) Here is my list of how software can handle this, in order from least (...) Except for the option of prompting before creating a directory, I have implemented (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Have you considered that that means that MPD files will no longer be able to be rendered by LDraw? (or have I overlooked something?) (...) Yes, but it is a single-level subroutine system like in C. (I complain about it in C, but that is (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) These are good points. Perhaps we should define the spec with two levels: "strict MPD" and "expanded MPD". Strict MPD would require everything necessary to render files with ldraw: - All names on FILE statements follow the DOS filenaming (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev) !
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(...) Because we ought to differentiate between files that can be processed directly by LDraw, and those which have to be filtered through another tool (a MPD splitter) before LDraw can render them. If we decide to scrap LDraw compatibility, this is (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Travis Cobbs" <tcobbs@REMOVE.halibut.com> wrote in message news:H0Fopv.22s@lugnet.com... (...) line (...) part (...) larger (...) This (...) generate (...) color (...) program (...) extra (...) but (...) smoothing (...) than (...) something, (...) (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Paths, explicit drive references, and the case of file names (Was: MPD spec)
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(...) :-( I have fixed my MPD splitter. The updated version will show up on: (URL) tonight (or early tomorrow). Play well, Jacob (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Reading the various replies to this, I've seen a number of good points, but I think that some degree of misunderstanding was also generated. I personally don't think optional lines are generally a good idea on the inside of curves, but it is (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Paths, explicit drive references, and the case of file names (Was: MPD spec)
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(...) I tend to disagree. Given that the whole point of MPD files is to allow LDraw files to be more portable across multiple machines, I think absolute paths should be disallowed. It doesn't make sense to me to allow absolute paths in a file format (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: MPD spec
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(...) I disagree with this. Or, if we keep this approach for MPD, I'll want another standard language extension for embedding "macros" in LDraw files. I tend to view (and use) FILEs in MPD files as "subroutines", and I'd prefer they were designed to (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: MPD spec
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(...) I wasn't here for the .ldr extension discussions, so this may well have already been covered, but why not ".ldr"? It seems to me that any tool with built-in support for the .ldr extension should also support the MPD format. And the MPD format (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: MPD spec
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(...) Me too. And originally, you actually had to split a MPD file before you could view the contents. I would prefer that we stick to this way of treating MPD files as if they are splitted/unpacked before their content is processed. (...) That is (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Smoothing on part level using edge lines
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(...) Wow... I never thought of that before. I've been designing parts without inside optional lines for years. Good gosh... I'm working on a door right now that has inside curves that can't be covered by primitives- and I need to go look at the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I think so, too. I see MPD files almost like ZIP files. I know that there are differences, like inside WinZip you can generally only view standalone files without unzipping them first. (The reason I reignited this thread was I wanted to make (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Paths, explicit drive references, and the case of file names (Was: MPD spec)
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(...) why not just say any of the following (':', '/' and '\') can be used as a delimiter, and it doesn't matter which you use - it's up to the program to translate any of those to the correct one for the OS? (...) defenitly! :) Dan (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> wrote in message news:H0FBpw.8Mv@lugnet.com... (...) The sbotaohe (smoothing based on the absence of hard edges) is definitely the way to do (near) perfect smoothing without radically changing the parts (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Paths, explicit drive references, and the case of file names (Was: MPD spec)
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(...) I'd prefer we say that local/absolute references are allowed, but provide guidelines to show that relative paths are usually better - easier to manage, easier to share, etc. (...) Yes, yes, and I'm guessing yes. (...) I think you are correct - (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Good question. Different programs have more (or less) success at handling this. L3Lab seems to have no trouble with it. LDLite usually does ok, but not always (unfortunately, I don't have an example). (...) There's no special syntax, the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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"Jacob Sparre Andersen" <sparre@nbi.dk> wrote in message news:3D4FC5B0.1010300@nbi.dk... (...) This doesn't have to be fixed because the visual effect wil be marginal in programs like ldraw.exe (that actually use optional lines for drawing) and it (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Auggh! Hey, it's not too late -- there is no official BFC spec. Yet. :> Steve (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Right. Any "MPD splitter" program should include code to check that filenames and paths are valid, and either report missing paths, or create them, or ask the user before creating them, or provide options (ie, command line parameters) to (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Yes. (...) If there aren't optional lines, the inside curve won't render correctly, when someone uses a transparent color. Steve (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I tend to agree with Jacob, but if the big space dish were transparent, optional lines on the concave surface could actually be seen when viewing them through the convex side. However, I fiddled with this once upon a time and I think it adds (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) > there are no optional lines. Shouldn't that be fixed at some point? (...) I disagree. No optional lines are needed on inside curves. Play well, Jacob (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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If you check out the big space dish (3961.dat) you can see the optional line algorithm fails because there are no optional lines. In my opinion this part is good. There is no need to fix this part because it will only get larger and slows down some (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) MPD files should not be named ".ldr" (or ".dat")! Jacob (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Done. Play well, Jacob (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I am not sure about explicit drive references. Actually, I think we should limit it to _relative_ paths. We should also decide on a preferred - or maybe even fixed - directory name delimiter. I suppose that it should be "\", even though Unix (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I would even call it a bad thing to do. But then I have a habit of putting "FILE" meta-command in all my files, so maybe I should stop criticising and try to fix my own bad habits first. > It's very easy to overwrite the main file with if the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I have ldr files with up to 4 levels of nested sub files, and LDview, L3Lab, and MLCad all appear to render them fine. ROSCO (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I don't know about the other parsers, but as far as LDView is concerned an LDraw file is an LDraw file is an LDraw file. It makes no distinctions between ldr files, dat files, and mpd files. If it sees a 0 FILE command, it starts its MPD (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I don't know how ldglite and other parsers work, but I guess they don't create files with paths and all, but rather objects somewhere in RAM, with 'filenames' just as a property. But if you call the procedure SaveToFile(Path+FileName) to save (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This is a very good question, and is even more important with the migration to a single filename suffix (.LDR). What happens when your type-1 line refers to a LDR that happens to be a multi-part dat? Cheers, - jsproat (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Another thing I realised the other day is that in Australia, the opposite of clockwise is generally anti-clockwise rather than counter-clockwise, so the BFC CERTIFY should really be CW or ACW, but it's a bit late to worry about it now! ROSCO (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) FWIW both the ldlite and l3 parsers in ldglite are OK with paths in an MPD file. Just make sure the path in the 0 FILE line matches the path on the type 1 line that pulls in the subfile. If they don't match it reports that it can't find the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I was wondering, didn't see it discussed in the text, is it permitted / custom to have ldraw files in a mpd file reference other mpd files? If so is the first part in the file used or is there some naming convention pointing to the correctsubpart (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hmm. I don't remember if there was a lot of discussion about putting paths on the 0 FILE line. So I won't say for absolute sure that the program should allow them. I'd say any software that *thinks* it needs a directory, and crashes when it's (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Err, the entry for MPD in the glossary: (URL) here: (URL) is a bad link. Could you update the glossary to point to the new spec? Don (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) MPD Workshop cannot handle a reference to a non-existing directory, or rather, it does not create a folder if necessary. For example: (URL) line: 0 FILE s\41342s01.dat assumes that there already exists the folder 's\' in the target directory, (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Good point. Should probably also add the following... - There shouldn't be multiple files with the same name. - paths are allowed, so are explicit drive references. But the capability should be use with restraint, since it can easily make it (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) One addition that might be useful for people using the spec is to explicitly state that other than the first file being the main one, there is no implicit order to the remaining files. This is implied by the existing spec, but not actually (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Great! One question: I think I've seen some MPD files with the extension .dat and named exactly the same as its main model sub-file. IMHO, it's a risky thing to do. It's very easy to overwrite the main file with if the mpd is named the same. (It (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I don't know if we ever agreed on it; I don't remember the discussion of it at all. But I included it in the page. (...) Oyez, oyez! Please read the new Multi-Part DAT (MPD) Language Extension specification at (URL). All comments, suggestions, (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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