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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:51:39 GMT, "Nathanael Kuipers" <kuipers_n@hotmail.com> wrote: [...] (...) Such a program should not be complicated to write. But I think that the results could be disapointing. I explain why : Solidworks stores the assemblies (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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I didn't take it as a "slam" but i appreciate the message. You might have actually noticed i cleaned up the folder a little bit, deleted some of the older cars. Two reasons for this- one there are a lot more models coming, after all i just got bunch (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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File is in MPD format. From the Blacktron II series. 0 FILE m6887.ldr 0 6887 Allied Avenger 0 Name: m6887.ldr 0 Author: John Riley <Rohnjiley@yahoo.com> 0 WRITE LDraw.org Official Model Repository 0 Official Model: ©1991 LEGO Group 0 ROTATION CENTER (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.models.sets)
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File is in MPD format. Includes x460.dat Container Suitcase by Franklin Cain (an unofficial part) 0 FILE m6590.ldr 0 6590 Vacation Camper 0 Name: m6590.ldr 0 Author: John Riley <Rohnjiley@yahoo.com> 0 Unofficial Model 0 ROTATION CENTER 0 -13 100 1 (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.models.sets)
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Set is in MPD format. BONUS: The alternate models from the box panels are also in this mpd. 0 FILE m6655.dat 0 6655 Auto & Tire Repair 0 Name: m6655.dat 0 Author: John Riley: Rohnjiley@yahoo.com 0 Official Model: ©1984 LEGO Group 0 ROTATION CENTER 0 (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.models.sets)
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| | Re: converting SW assembly files to Ldraw??
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(...) Welcome to the club! You'd be surprised how many CAD users model LEGO using other systems and then later find out about LDraw. There's no constraints or assembly mates in LDraw though - at least not yet - so you probably won't be leaving SW (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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(...) Hello Gregory, I agree, the shape of automobiles is hard to selectively compress in scale and still be "recognizable" as their full scale counterparts. I get the feeling it would almost be easier to model in microfig because you could get away (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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(...) Dan (& Todd?) - I wonder if it would be possible to add an option (similar to skip filter settings) which would allow the web interface user the choice of displaying dots on the message page for threads over 100 or not. The default could be (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) just go here: (URL) you should see a "start this page" button. Then with a little bit of FTX (_really_ easy), you should be all set. FTX Guide: (URL) Dan Boger dan@peeron.com (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hi Dan, I think that would be cool. Just let me know what to do. Kevin (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) sure you can :) (URL) Here is the first draft of a list of meta-commands. It is pretty rough (...) wow, very cool. I think this would go great in an FTX page - we could have it linked from the CAD sidebar, and have it easily updated... what do (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hi All, Well, this topic has exceeded the 100 post mark! The bummer is that we can no longer see the tree view of the posts :^( Here is the first draft of a list of meta-commands. It is pretty rough format-wise, but at least it is a list. I'm still (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: A call to membership!
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(...) Paul, As the author of LDLite, I'd say you are well qualified to be on the SC. I'm very glad you are interested. When I started to write LPub, I had to reverse engineer ROTSTEP so I could support it in LPub. At the same time I asked Michael (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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(...) This is the approach that Michael Lachman on MLCAD. In an email, where he gave us permission to include his meta-command descriptions in our LDraw specification (yay!) he indicated that he has started to use MLCAD as his module name for all (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | DAT Curves Plugin For LDDesignPad Version 2.5.1
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(...) Ok. The rotation now centers on the Bounding Box center. Get it at: (URL) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: ldraw based import parts
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(...) *cut* (...) Yeah, accurate cars are hard to model at minifig scale, but i tried. Actually i only gave actual names to the first batch, then just gave them names like racetruck- generic names are much more fitting. Now i moved to tuning (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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i completed my page at (...) by all means yes! and prototyping my parts? lol am i dreaming? yes go ahead. if it works make the side parts and spioler to (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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(...) I wouldn't mind joining the work of formalising the LDraw file format. Play well, Jacob (who has been off-line for a few days) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Travis Cobbs writes: <snip> (...) Actually I'm using a library I picked up trolling sourceforge for goodies. It's called GLScene and it does all the back end processing for me, all I have to do is declare and manipulate objects. I (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm working on that. I'm still learning the ropes with this GLScene library I'm using. (...) It's a debug button I forgot to remove. -Orion (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) If the ToR for this committee will include Part Naming standards, as well as LDraw language standards, then I believe either Steve Bliss or I needs to be included. Geography may play a part here, depending on how real-time you intend the (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: BFC problem with 970s01.dat?
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(...) IIRC, my claim of making this BFC compliant was found to be incorrect when reviewed in the PT. So to expedite its release, I suspect Steve did an admin edit of the 0 BFC CERTIFY line (since we only insist on BFC compliance for primitives) to (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: Calling all Meta-commands
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One approach to namespace management is to have format the commands like so: 0 MODULENAME COMMAND blah Authors would ask for a unique MODULENAME string to use, and prefix that in front of any "experimental" commands. For example, say I want to (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: DAT Curves Plugin For LDDesignPad Version 2.5
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(...) It worked fine for me. As mentioned in Philippe's reply (with different wording), it would be a lot easier of the rotation center were the center of the bounding box of the generated curved object. I did find the zoom, though. Is all your (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Calling all Meta-commands
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Several of the LDLite commands were documented in detail in the file WOOD4.DAT, so make sure you look there. (URL) formal definition of the (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I'd love to be on the SC. As one of the first to reverse engineer and write up the .DAT syntax (using Lexx/Yacc), and also one of the first one to extend the syntax -- a standards committe would have helped back then :). The MLCad extensions look (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: DAT Curves Plugin For LDDesignPad Version 2.5
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Hello Orion, The preview window works fine and fast here (Win2K, Athlon 1.2GHz). One suggestion: the rotation point of preview should be placed between start points, if the hose is too far away from origin it's difficult to get a meaningful preview. (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I've updated my DAT Curves plugin. New is this version: -Internalized the Preview feature. As usual it can be downloaded here: (URL) would like everyone to try out the new preview at let me how it works for them. Ultimately I'd like to implement (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.announce)
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(...) Hi Orion, I have many ideas to contribute but unfortunately only in a "no compatibility" scenario. So I guess I should better not apply and stay quiet. Damien (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: BFC problem with 970s01.dat?
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(...) You're welcome. (...) I understand that every effort is made to prevent errors, and also that this will never prevent all errors. I posted the message in order to determine if this case is indeed an error. I posted to this group because I'm (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) Understood. I think we need to focus on creating legitimacy for making decisions on standards before actually making decisions on standards. ;-) (...) That's a resonable request. Here's some thoughts -- I think the standards body will be (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: BFC problem with 970s01.dat?
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(...) Hi travis, Thanks for LDView, Each part is carefully reviewed by volunteers in Parts Tracker. That means if a part says CERTIFY you can be pretty confident regarding its usage of BFC-ed primitives. I think errors are still possible with (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: A call to membership!
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(...) Well I think I can contribute something to this, and would love to see the LDraw tools become more standard & widely used, so I hereby volunteer 8?) ROSCO (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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"Travis Cobbs" <tcobbs@REMOVE.halibut.com> skrev i meddelandet news:HBvHFv.1x9E@lugnet.com... (...) This is not at all uncommon in programming languages, take Pascal for example (UCSD-Pascal, Delphi): A comment can be (* any characters except the (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: ldraw based import parts
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(...) Very nice parts! I teach a class in 3D CAD at a Community College in California, and I have had my students model a LEGO dragster for a few semesters now. As LDraw gets better and better with the additions of applications like LPub and LSynth, (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| | Observatory - revised teaser pic
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Hi all, Since this teasing with pics is popular, I thought I'd put one up too! Look at (URL) wait for more!!! Jaco (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.models, lugnet.space)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) That's fine also. I was only offering a possible way to avoid taking even more useful options away from the standards commitee. I don't think it would be too much to ask that new commands all be prefixed with 'UNOFF' or 'UNOFFICIAL'. It of (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: A call to membership!
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Hi Orion - (Note, I am NOT volunteering for the Standards committee) 1) Thanks for posting this. It's a good thing to have a fresh post for a show of hands. 2) Notice that Steve Bliss has been absent in this whole thread. I think we should wait to (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| | A call to membership!
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Let it be known that membership on the LDraw Standard committe is now open. All those who wish to apply reply. So far we have 3 applicants: Orion Pobursky Kevin Clague Larry Pieniazek and one possible applicant Steve Bliss We're basically looking (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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(...) I wasn't too enthusiastic about conference calls when I first heard W3C talk about them. They kind of grew on me as I saw how effective they were. We could resolve in 5 minutes an issue that would otherwise take days of elapsed time and hours (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | SC Membership (was Re: LDraw Versioning)
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(...) [snip] (...) All: I'm open to the concept of being on the SC. My concern is that is that I am not either a heavy LDraw user or LDraw tool person. This is primarily because most of the LDraw tools only run on Windows and I only run Linux these (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | converting SW assembly files to Ldraw??
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Hi all, A question: I've made a big assembly of a MOC technic sportscar in Solidworks. (Before I knew there is the existence of MLcad and LEOcad.) (URL) there any program that can convert such files to Ldraw?? It would be very nice because .dat, (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: Full orthographic town view
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Hi Eduardo, This can easily be done with LPub, a program that takes LDR/DAT/MPD files as inputs, and creates POV-Ray images easily. Most people use LPub to create building instructions, but LPub can also be used for single images. You can control (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.ray)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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(...) Cool. :-) -Tim (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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(...) very very easy to set up. A list where membership is moderated (not anyone can sign up), only members can post, and has public html archives is very easy to do. (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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(...) Definitely. I think it's important to draw from ILTCO's experience forming as well as Wayne's experience on the W3C. (...) Good idea. While I'm not going for a position on the SB myself, I can attest for the value of voice conversations over (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Full orthographic town view
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I started playing with that command but I'm not great with Pov-ray so can some tell me how to make a orthographic view of my town? I don't have the town done yet but i whould like to have one done resolutions I whould like to have my town in are 800 (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.ray)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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(...) There's a (mailman, I think) mailing list set up on LDraw.org which no one uses. We set it up to be used, but never made an effort to move discussion about organizaiton there, so we never used it. The intent was to allow anyone to join and (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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(...) I don't have time to comment on all the rest yet, but ldraw is already set up for this - has been for a year, since we set it up for members@ldraw.org. Dan (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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(...) I hear you. We may find that we need to move to phone to get more done faster but can start that way (...) Yep, me too. (...) If putting the function into ldraw.org itself isn't fast/easy, yes. Yahoo Groups, although disliked by some, are (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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(...) I'm not so keen on actual phone use (all I have is a cell phone), but using AIM, MSN, ICQ etc... is propbably the best way. (...) Due to my work, it's would be easier for me if we did this during or after a lego event. It's easier for me to (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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GREAT input Wayne. (now, can we twist Wayne's arm to be on the SC?) Yes, we should learn from orgs but not adopt everything. The proper balance is key. What follows is some ILTCO organizing committee experience. On the topic of conference calls, (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Has the train baseplate for the 4561 been created yet?
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Hello all, Has the train baseplate for the 4561 been modeled yet? (URL) wanted to create a model using this part, but I have been unable to find it. Jeff VW (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: Duplo Egg?
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(...) Did you get an (offline) reply on this? If not, post the rough dimensions of the egg, and I'll see what I can do for a general mockup. I've got some eggs around here (somewhere), but I don't have time right now to go spelunking for them. Once (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) This problem is not due to the Swedish character set, but rather a problem with the Lugnet web interface. The Lugnet web interface does not support RFC2047 encoded header fields, that explains the problems with the subject line. I have (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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[snip] (...) Tim: For those who do not know, W3C stands for World Wide Web Consortium and it is the organization that is responsible for web standards such as HTTP, URL, HTML, XML, etc. Before I get into the details of how W3C operates, let me start (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | ldraw based import parts
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for those of you who know i have made import parts, i completed my page at my website for them at: www.geocities.com/tb...er666/lego gregory overkamp has done models with these parts to, his link is in there.. the latest parts since the 12th of (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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Ok...replying to myself here... (...) Also, Wayne, since we're on the topic of standards bodies, would you mind sharing with the community some of your thoughts about this, based on your past term(s) as Sun's representative to the W3C? Guys - (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | BFC problem with 970s01.dat?
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I think part 970s01.dat has a BFC problem. I'm working on my BFC parsing in LDView, and it printed an error in this file, so I went and looked at it. At the beginning of the file, it says: 0 BFC NOCERTIFY Then later in the file, it says: 0 BFC (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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Ok, picking up where I left off with the previous post. (...) The group charged with working on this was Steve Bliss, Jacob Sparre Andersen, Terry Keller, Larry Pieniazek, and myself. There hasn't been much activity among the four of us as of late, (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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(...) I think you picked a great spot to come in at. (...) Yep: format evolution = good. (...) Good idea. I'd also like to add that such a standards body should be relatively few in number. Not to be exclusionary, but to maintain focus. The number 7 (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) True. That's why I suggested a strong recommendation of using whatever comment prefix we will agree on. Then let's say the future L3P -check will raise a warning for omitting that prefix. /Tore (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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This thread has grown so much since Friday it's hard to know exactly where to interject.... so I just picked a spot. I'll have more to say later after reading the thread again but wanted to throw a few comments out. (...) YES! Exactly. And one could (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) As Steve would say - LDraw and LEdit exist as a benchmark. I would add - for the _original_ LDraw spec - that is, everything LDraw/LEdit can do. 1.0.0 spec, which is essentially what Kevin is working on - documenting all meta-commands up to (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) We already have a standard comment prefix: 0. For better or for worse, meta-commands are just comments that get interpreted to have meaning. I think it's unrealistic to expect users to remember to add a second comment prefix in addition to the (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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Orion Pobursky wrote: What are we going to do when DOS support in PC OS's goes away completely? I have run into this problem with Windows XP, not so much with LEdit and LDraw--I use L3P more often. Thankfully, there is still a Win98 SE computer in (...) (22 years ago, 15-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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(...) Excellent suggestion, Wayne. (...) I like this - with one reservation. We should only focus on documenting 1.0.0 right now. Additions, which would go in a future version (1.1.0) are being openly discussed. Actual decisions on that version (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) I disagree. Let's stick with the current method of meta-commands until a standards body officially determines the syntax of future generation commands. No hold on anything, innovation can continue (just in the same disorganized fashion it (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) If tags were the way to go, I agree. BUT, ultimately I side with Kevin, just add comment marks, not meta-command ones. I think that option makes the most sense. But as Dan also said, I'm not a programmer who will be implementing this, so I (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) This is all the main idea behind my suggestion for a branch of the namespace to be considered 'open to all' without discussion. I originally suggested 0 APP appname COMMAND but now I wonder if 0 UNOFFICIAL appname COMMAND, or something (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | *** LDView Version 1.9.10 Released ***
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LDView version 1.9.10 is now available, in both source and binary forms. You can download either from: (URL) highlights of version 1.9.10 include: Added ability to assign hot keys to preference sets Added six preset viewing angles (front, back, (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) Well this was one of the reasons behind my original suggestion. (This thread sure did take off while I was away skiing this weekend.) I suggested that a new meta command group be made today, albeit before the creation of a standards body, so (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) Ah, I see the confusion. In saying //, what I really meant was "0 //", where // is the meta-command that means comment. Rather than place all new meta-commands in <>, or (), or {}, I'd rather have a token that means "the rest of this line is a (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) As I tried to indicate in one of my posts much earlier in this thread, I realized after my original post that the presense of the {} would negate the need for a {META} tag. It would probably work just as well with (). The whole reason I (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | LDraw Versioning (Was Re: Backwards Compatibility)
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(...) All: There are gazillions of file formats out there and most of them have had to undergo some amount format evolution. Format evolution is a healthy and common situation. A common first step towards evolving a file format is to introduce a (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) What I mean is: (URL) for example. Quite corrupted and hard to read - even for us who understand Swedish. ;-) I don't know whether brackets will be cause the same kind of problems, but there is a risk. Then a line from a posted part or model (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Backwards Compatibility (Was Calling all Meta-commands)
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(...) I don't know about American keyboards, but at my Swedish kb, '{' and '}' are at AltGr+7 and AltGr+0, and it collides with Swedish special characters in the ASCII table; it has to be set on codepage 850 or whatever it was. I find them somewhat (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) The exact same argment can be used in favor of dillineated comments. ;-) (...) Nope. Any program that does not recognize // (picking one as an example) simply ignores it. Just like (META). (...) I don't want to get sidetracked here, but (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) right. (...) but you just said you're doing that anyway - "if you do not recognize the first token in a line type 0 record, it is a comment". Is adding '{META}' to the list of recognizable tokens an issue? Also, you don't have to add it - if (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I think we cannot ignore the backwards compatibility issue though. What we want is an explicit way to differentiate comments from meta-commands. I think defining an explicit mechanism for comments is completely backward compatible, because if (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Cool! More thoughts later, I'm off for the afternoon. -Tim (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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In light of recent discussion, I'm working on a consolidated file spec. Basically my aim is to combined the original spec with the 'Official' additions and mention the other additions and where to find definitions. The 'Official' group: The original (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Cool. Although I don't have that much (if any) of a say in punctuation/no punctuation, I could go either way. I still prefer no punctuation, to keep it consistent with the way it's been done before. BUT - can't always get hung up on the past (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) sure, that works almost as well as {}. It's the _lack_ of any punctuation that bothered me there. :) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) That's the ideal, but we don't have that right now at this moment :-) A good goal to aspire to, and one I'll certainly be promoting among those who are interested in hearing what I have to say. (...) Sure, understood. I still like the idea of (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Points taken :-) And ultimately, I'm not going to be involved in making the decision, since I won't be volunteering for the standards body [1]. Just getting in my .02 here while I can ;-) -Tim [1] I don't have the knowledge to discuss some (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Making LDraw accessible to the average computer user is a great thing! But, as you mentioned yourself - these users won't be editing the files by hand, they'll be using "good, free CAD software". So whatever meta commands they need to add, the (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Exactly because it's not likely to be used, ever, by mistake. Anyone can put whatever comments they like in a dat, right? So if I write a dat, and want to enter 0 METAL RAIL STARTS HERE and typo it into 0 META LRAIL STARTS HERE (which is a (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yep. (...) Exactly. I'll make a side note on the { } issue. One of my goals (as Kevin knows) is to see this software more useable and accessible to general computer users and even kids in the intermediate level on up. I'd like people to have (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yup, LEdit chokes on it, just tried it out using unused line type 9 with text after it. D'oh. (...) I know how to use a keyboard. I'm talking convenience on the part of someone editing by hand. {} isn't necessary, so why add it to the mix? (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) As A C programmer, I'm quite adept at { and even } :) A a developer of L-CAD software, I'd rather see the syntax for current meta-commands unchanged. If we were to formalize meta-commands with a syntax change, we'd have to support both old and (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) besides, if we add a new linetype, we're breaking LDRAW.EXE and LEDIT.EXE, wouldn't we? (...) I think that's a great idea :) (...) I'm sorry, I can't understand why it's "too difficult" to enter {} by hand. It's on the standard keyboard. The (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Remember that it is in the current specification that all META-commands be uppercase. I don't know many people that write with caps-lock on but I'm sure it won't happen enough to be a problem. -Orion (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I understand the point, but yep - my line of thinking was what you just said, META isn't that common. (...) Ok. (...) Yeah. Well, the suggestion is something new - which ultimately should be considered by a standards body, and not decided upon (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) The main reason I suggested the braces is that they make it basically impossible for the text to show up at the beginning of a standard comment line. In this case, they're probably unnecessary, since META isn't exactly a common word. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Right. While a lock would be well meant, it just isn't the right approach. (...) Yep. (...) Not selfish in the least, I don't think. If you're doing this for your own enjoyment, why should you be expected to get a group opinion before adding (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Right. Sorry -- my support of that was on a quick response, brain fart I suppose. (...) Good goals we should all focus on. (...) Yup, not the first time. I do think we should work through this, stay on task, and get it right this time though. (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I apologize: due to Lycos-Multimania the previous direct link does not work. So give it another try, the download only works from the site main page: (URL) left click on "download LDraw files". Damien (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.models)
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(...) No, I think the intention is to create an official set of meta-commands, which official software should recognise and/or implement. The important point being that any file containing non-ratified commands will not make it into the official (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Travis Cobbs writes: <snip> (...) I like this suggestion a lot. It solves most of the problems we've been discussing about namespace pollution. -Orion (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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