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Re: Block user X from replying to a message by user Y
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lugnet.admin.suggestions
Date: 
Tue, 14 May 2002 08:28:51 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Suzanne D. Rich writes:
In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Frank Filz writes:

I don't want to see time-outs called on someone who for whatever reason
is a bit sensitive about a discussion. I would like us to learn how
"banter" can be misread and be more sensitive, and at least not jump
down someone's throat when they post offense to "banter". I think that
if I was the one who posted some kind of response to banter, and then
got shot down for being overly sensitive, and then a few other people
jumped in, and maybe I posted once to defend myself, and then as a
result, was among those given a time-out, that I would feel at least
partially that the time-out was in part saying I was wrong to have
posted my first post.

I think what you're saying is that you don't want me to expect everyone to
just "be quiet and take it" if they feel offended. If that's what you're
expressing concern over, I can understand and it's a good point.

But I'd tell you not to worry about that too much because it's going to take
a LOT to get timed out. And if there's a situation with a big group of
people, it's not likely that I'd apply a sweeping silence.

Asking me for examples is justified, and I certainly would point out to the
community where and why a time-out was called. (IMO, it shouldn't just
'happen' like an act of the HOG.)

I have only a few minutes here, but I'll quickly give you a little more
picture of what would cause me to react...

General guidline: Don't make me mad.

People who are being mature don't need to worry. It's those who keep up a
hostile, all-noise, ping-pong. The ones who beat a dead horse. Who are a
nuisance to the community. If you imagine being a first-time LUGNET visitor,
and never having posted to a newsgroup in your life, and you observe
conversation that makes your jaw drop and your eyes bulge, that's the kind
of thing I won't tolerate.

Purely for the sake of example, (I'm not interested in taking sides, and it
is now a dead issue,) here's a specific point where bickering should have ended:

http://news.lugnet.com/market/buy-sell-trade/?n=13882

I think I had a right to reply publicly to his accusations. It may well be
that the reply I gave was not the best one I could have posted, but I do
have the right to defend myself. The issue for me is *not* where the
bickering could have ended, but why it needed to start?

Larry has said the he was right to attack my Bricklink shop as it was "a
competitive response." which  "Happens all the time in the real world.  c.f.
WalMart(tm) and KMart(tm) shopping each other and posting ads highlighting
their price differences."

I may be wrong, but I was not aware that "WalMart(tm) v KMart(tm)" was the
role model for community interactions? If it is, and Larry's action is
encouraged, then expect a "*sigh*" from me!

Despite what people may think, I feel no ill will towards Larry. I think he
has a lot to contribute to the forum, and to the "world of lego" - I would
not be surprised if one of his mocs go the same way as DS’s Blacksmiths
Shop. I just think he needs to bite his tongue sometimes. I know I am not
alone in holding that view.

Scott A




In reality, at that time, if I had noticed it going on, it may have taken
one more ping or pong for me to end it.

Scott's sigh did not make me mad. Larry's follow up did make me mad, for a
number of reasons. I got even madder when Lar wouldn't take it to e-mail.
And madder still when I saw people needed to ask them to stop. twice. So,
there were actually a number points where I would have liked to switch off
both of the guilty parties. I found that 'bicker-fest' completely offensive
and disrespectful to the community. It's the kind of thing that simply won't
be okay any more.

-Suz



Message has 1 Reply:
  Re: Block user X from replying to a message by user Y
 
(...) I dispute that it was an "attack". But the question of what level of competitive response is appropriate on LUGNET(tm) is a valid question, which I would love to see someone else take up by starting a new thread. I suggest neither Scott nor I (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)

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  Re: Block user X from replying to a message by user Y
 
(...) I think what you're saying is that you don't want me to expect everyone to just "be quiet and take it" if they feel offended. If that's what you're expressing concern over, I can understand and it's a good point. But I'd tell you not to worry (...) (22 years ago, 13-May-02, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)

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