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Re: Todd, can we have an Arctic posting group?
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lugnet.admin.general
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Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:58:34 GMT
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mattdm@mattdmSAYNOTOSPAM.org
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote:
> are many nested umbrealla groups. In that scenario, aren't you saying that
> if someone posted to lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos, the message would actually have
> to be crossposted (either automatically or manually) as this?--
> Newsgroups: lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos,lugnet.loc.us.ma,lugnet.loc.us,
> lugnet.loc,lugnet
Well, not the last one for sure. And probably not "lugnet.loc", either.
(Groups which don't exist don't get crossposted to; seem reasonable. This
lets you not make those groups which don't make sense. You've done this
already, right?)
And the remainder:
Newsgroups: lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos,lugnet.loc.us.ma,lugnet.loc.us
seems like exactly what makes sense.
> It would also mean that anytime a group were split, it would have to die and
> be moved to a .general subgroup so that it could be reborn as an umbrella
> group.
Yes, that's true.
> For practical reasons, it's extremely difficult (next to impossible
> in an automated way) to move messages out of a non-empty newsgroup and into
> a new one, and it's not reasonable simply to throw them away.
I have the belief that a good, automated solution could be devised. :)
> The client side is really the appropriate place for that, IMHO. I wonder
> why the popular newsreaders don't have an option to coalesce groups down a
> hierarchy (or some set of specified groups). I've never seen that feature
> in a newsreader except in the LUGNET web interface.
Agreed. I think newsreaders don't do this because, as we've discussed, it
really requires the newsgroup layout to be done in a certain way, and Usenet
(and the Usenet-like groups generally distributed alongside) isn't arranged
like that. Anyway, the practical fact is that clients don't support this, so
if it's a desired feature, it's much more reasonable to do it on the server.
> Alternatively, on the server side, an nntpd doesn't actually know (or care)
> what group an article _actually_ is in (as specified by it's 'Newsgroups:'
> header) when it transmits the article's header and body. Normally, they
> match, but they wouldn't have to. Thus a virtual group consisting of a
> collection of other group's messages could actually contain hard or symbolic
> links to the article files in the other groups without even having to mess
> with crossposting. In other words, a group foo.bar could theoretically
> contain a collection of messages with Newsgroups headers like this:
I thought about this. It'd work if newsreaders _only_ check the newsgroup
line when marking messages read and replying and so forth -- if they have a
concept of "current group I'm reading", it'd probably break in various ways.
I think that slrn actually looks at the newsgroups line each time it does
something, so it'd probably work. But I'm not sure -- hafta do some more
digging. And there almost certainly are perfectly good newsreaders out there
that would break.
Anyway, I don't think this solution is more clean than modifying the
Newsgroups line, except for the problem of moving articles. And I'm
optimistic above the solvablity of that one. :)
--
Matthew Miller ---> mattdm@mattdm.org
Quotes 'R' Us ---> http://quotes-r-us.org/
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