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Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
it's pretty open-ended.
If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
about designs.
Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
--Todd & Suz
p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
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Sounds like a great idea to me! I can think of several ideas I would be
interested in (and several I wouldn't but I am sure others would).
I vote for a Timmy Tee . Just a great big Timmy with Ball Cap and Green "T"
Torso.
Eric Kingsley
In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
>
> If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> about designs.
>
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
>
> --Todd & Suz
>
> p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
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Eric Kingsley wrote:
>
> Sounds like a great idea to me! I can think of several ideas I would be
> interested in (and several I wouldn't but I am sure others would).
>
> I vote for a Timmy Tee . Just a great big Timmy with Ball Cap and Green "T"
> Torso.
How about making the T-shirt be *just* the torso (front and back),
so that we can pretend we *are* the minifigs, not just picturing them.
(Is that too subtle?)
/Eric McC/
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Charles Eric McCarthy writes:
> Eric Kingsley wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like a great idea to me! I can think of several ideas I would be
> > interested in (and several I wouldn't but I am sure others would).
> >
> > I vote for a Timmy Tee . Just a great big Timmy with Ball Cap and Green "T"
> > Torso.
>
> How about making the T-shirt be *just* the torso (front and back),
> so that we can pretend we *are* the minifigs, not just picturing them.
> (Is that too subtle?)
>
> /Eric McC/
I like this idea. Make a lot of different designs to fit different themes
(like 3 or 4 prominent logos per theme). And, as Bram said, the LEGO logo
would be good, too...and let's not neglect the basic brick. Shirts with the
basic 2x4 would be nice. Hats, coffee mugs, mouse pads, and the like would
be great, too. And hey, what about a LEGO/LUGNET collaborative T?
$.02
-Chris
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Xcalabur writes:
> I like this idea. Make a lot of different designs to fit different themes
> (like 3 or 4 prominent logos per theme). And, as Bram said, the LEGO logo
> would be good, too...and let's not neglect the basic brick.
> Shirts with the basic 2x4 would be nice.
Ooh, 2x4 would be nice...just a single small red 2x4 brick on the front of a
solid black or white T...with a small LEGO logo on the back right under the
collar...
--Bram
Bram Lambrecht
BXL34@po.cwru.edu
http://home.cwru.edu/~bxl34/
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Bram Lambrecht writes:
> Xcalabur writes:
> > I like this idea. Make a lot of different designs to fit different themes
> > (like 3 or 4 prominent logos per theme). And, as Bram said, the LEGO logo
> > would be good, too...and let's not neglect the basic brick.
> > Shirts with the basic 2x4 would be nice.
>
> Ooh, 2x4 would be nice...just a single small red 2x4 brick on the front of a
> solid black or white T...with a small LEGO logo on the back right under the
> collar...
> --Bram
>
>
> Bram Lambrecht
> BXL34@po.cwru.edu
> http://home.cwru.edu/~bxl34/
As a professional designer and illustrator I would like to donate my skills
to help promote this project. I can submit my own work or help create final
versions of the approved design. If Lego doesn't/cant supply the stuff we
need then I can build it from scratch.
I never saw the classic space shirt but it sounds great and I think quite a
few other shirts could be created with the same idea.
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Darrell King writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Bram Lambrecht writes:
> > Xcalabur writes:
> > > I like this idea. Make a lot of different designs to fit different themes
> > > (like 3 or 4 prominent logos per theme). And, as Bram said, the LEGO logo
> > > would be good, too...and let's not neglect the basic brick.
> > > Shirts with the basic 2x4 would be nice.
> >
> > Ooh, 2x4 would be nice...just a single small red 2x4 brick on the front of a
> > solid black or white T...with a small LEGO logo on the back right under the
> > collar...
> > --Bram
> >
> >
> > Bram Lambrecht
> > BXL34@po.cwru.edu
> > http://home.cwru.edu/~bxl34/
>
> As a professional designer and illustrator I would like to donate my skills
> to help promote this project. I can submit my own work or help create final
> versions of the approved design. If Lego doesn't/cant supply the stuff we
> need then I can build it from scratch.
>
> I never saw the classic space shirt but it sounds great and I think quite a
> few other shirts could be created with the same idea.
I hate to reply to myself, but here is a suggestion others have mentioned. I
made this in about an hour. It also makes an excellent background. It's
1024x768 and about 10k.
http://www.pixelmonkey.net/classicspace.htm
Enjoy,
Darrell King
darrellk@pixelmonkey.net
http://www.pixelmonkey.net
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
Wow, complicated. So basically, all the LEGO Company would be doing is
approving the designs and allowing CafePress and LUGNET to make some money off
the products?
Depending on the prices, I could definitely be interested. I'd like to see
some clean, simple designs...for example, solid color shirts/sweatshirts with a
small LEGO logo printed/embroidered on the left breast, with possibly a large
logo on the back, or a small logo centered near the collar, or just a blank
back. Mark's classic space shirts were nice...other variations based only on
the CS logo (without the fig) would be interesting too.
--Bram
Bram Lambrecht
BXL34@po.cwru.edu
http://home.cwru.edu/~bxl34/
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Bram Lambrecht writes:
> Wow, complicated. So basically, all the LEGO Company would be doing is
> approving the designs and allowing CafePress and LUGNET to make some money
> off the products?
That's one possible extreme. Another extreme might be LEGO Direct soliciting
sentence-based suggestions (that is, not actual pictures or mock-ups) and
then selecting and designing a small set of shirts based on the suggestions.
My understanding is that LEGO Direct wants this to be primarily community-
driven, which means it probably leans toward the first extreme. Perhaps it
may lean toward the second extreme initially.
How do they plan to collect feedback/input/suggestions? Your guess is as
good as mine.
--Todd
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I like the idea! I've wanted shirts with the LEGO logo (as well as the
logos for various themes) for quite a few years, so this is a great
opportuninity.
Joel
In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
>
> If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> about designs.
>
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
>
> --Todd & Suz
>
> p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
>
> If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> about designs.
>
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
>
> --Todd & Suz
>
> p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
Who would like to see a *Train* t-shirt? One suitable for wearing as a
uniform for those doing Train shows and displays such as GATS. Would some
thing like this be a possibility if enough are interested? Seems like it
would provide income for Lugnet, publicity for Lego and provide a desired
product. There certainly are plenty of great Train graphics done by people
here to choose from. Which train would be most suitable? or a compilation
of Lego Trains through time? or maybe just an engine? or just a minifigure?
Could a t-shirt have both the Lego design, whatever it might end up being,
and then somewhere also have a small Lugnet logo also? This would probably
represent some sort of confict?
sheree
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> Who would like to see a *Train* t-shirt? One suitable for wearing as a
> uniform for those doing Train shows and displays such as GATS. Would some
> thing like this be a possibility if enough are interested? Seems like it
> would provide income for Lugnet, publicity for Lego and provide a desired
> product. There certainly are plenty of great Train graphics done by people
> here to choose from. Which train would be most suitable? or a compilation
> of Lego Trains through time? or maybe just an engine? or just a minifigure?
>
> Could a t-shirt have both the Lego design, whatever it might end up being,
> and then somewhere also have a small Lugnet logo also? This would probably
> represent some sort of confict?
>
> sheree
I agree that it would be good to have shirts that can be worn to shows..I
really like the idea of having a compilation of LEGO trains through time..pick
out a bunch of the trains and put them on the back.
michael
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Maybe down the line (pun intended!) also Lego branded engineers overalls &
caps? You know, the ones with blue & white stripes...
ROSCO
In lugnet.lego.direct, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
>
> Who would like to see a *Train* t-shirt? One suitable for wearing as a
> uniform for those doing Train shows and displays such as GATS. Would some
> thing like this be a possibility if enough are interested? Seems like it
> would provide income for Lugnet, publicity for Lego and provide a desired
> product. There certainly are plenty of great Train graphics done by people
> here to choose from. Which train would be most suitable? or a compilation
> of Lego Trains through time? or maybe just an engine? or just a minifigure?
>
> Could a t-shirt have both the Lego design, whatever it might end up being,
> and then somewhere also have a small Lugnet logo also? This would probably
> represent some sort of confict?
>
> sheree
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sheree rosenkrantz wrote:
> Who would like to see a *Train* t-shirt? One suitable for wearing as a
> uniform for those doing Train shows and displays such as GATS. Would some
> thing like this be a possibility if enough are interested? Seems like it
> would provide income for Lugnet, publicity for Lego and provide a desired
> product. There certainly are plenty of great Train graphics done by people
> here to choose from. Which train would be most suitable? or a compilation
> of Lego Trains through time? or maybe just an engine? or just a minifigure?
A shirt duplicating one of the train torsos would be ever so cool!
Frank
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
That's really nice of them!
I would like to see a classic space logo t-tshirt, like some people
have made themselves in the past. Just the classic space logo, no minifig.
Just like the classic space figs wear.
Of course if these things are going to use official logos/designs, they
should be designed professionally using the official logo stock.
Who is going to coordinate that?
KL
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Kevin Loch schreef:
> In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> > Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> > He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> > branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> > such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> That's really nice of them!
>
> I would like to see a classic space logo t-tshirt, like some people
> have made themselves in the past. Just the classic space logo, no minifig.
> Just like the classic space figs wear.
Yeah, I'll second that! I just missd the Classic Spaceman T-shirts.
Classic Space rocks!
But the plain good ol' 2x4 would be nice too.
What sizes would these T-shirts come in? Adult or child?
Mark "at last my minifigs will have T-shirts" de Kock
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Kevin Loch writes:
> > I would like to see a classic space logo t-tshirt, like some people
> have made themselves in the past. Just the classic space logo, no minifig.
> Just like the classic space figs wear.
Oh yeah, and a shrit with this on the back would be cool:
http://www.brickshelf.com/scans/0000/0956/0956-04.html
KL
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Kevin Loch writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Kevin Loch writes:
> > > I would like to see a classic space logo t-tshirt, like some people
> > have made themselves in the past. Just the classic space logo, no minifig.
> > Just like the classic space figs wear.
>
> Oh yeah, and a shrit with this on the back would be cool:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/scans/0000/0956/0956-04.html
Lego has created a *ton* of great graphic art for its instructions
over the years. "The World of Lego Toys" covers this in a
little depth.
The 956 page *is* cool, but it'd be a real shame if there
weren't some others, too. I personally would suggest the
final image of the 8480 Space Shuttle instructions, because
it's the Technic model most recognizable by non-Lego people
(who after all, are the target audience for showing off one's
Lego enthusiasm).
-Tim
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In article <G4Gn2J.95H@lugnet.com>, Tim Rueger <rueger@io.com> wrote:
I would *just* love to have shirts with just the logos of Classic Space
and Technic. ...and oh, what I'd do for a shirt with the Classic
Space "Starship Voyager" on it!!!... http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6929
...Step 17... close the hatch, and raise the nose... mmm... very
good... http://www.brickshelf.com/scans/6000/6929/6929-08.html
Shirts with selected diagrams of various Technic sets would also be
lovely!...
A poster once in a whlie (2x year?) would also be cool...
But, most importantly... above all else the image quality *MUST* be on
par or better than that which LEGO has always used in their
advertising/instructions/box artwork/photography/whatever...
What about binders with the LEGO logo printed or imprinted on them so
we can sort our instructions?... A binder with the logo for each
Theme?...
my 2¢...
C.
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>
> Shirts with selected diagrams of various Technic sets would also be
> lovely!...
Yes!
A MindStorms shirt would be cool as well, even if it just had the
programmable
brick amidst the "MINDSTORMS" storm background that is used on the RIS
box.
-Peter
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Kevin Loch <kloch@opnsys.com> wrote:
> I would like to see a classic space logo t-tshirt, like some people
> have made themselves in the past. Just the classic space logo, no minifig.
> Just like the classic space figs wear.
Yeah, I'd defintely buy one of those.
I'd also buy a shirt with just the classic space minifig.
--
Matthew Miller ---> mattdm@mattdm.org
Quotes 'R' Us ---> http://quotes-r-us.org/
Boston University Linux ---> http://linux.bu.edu/
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> From: "Todd & Suz" <admin@lugnet.com>s
>
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
Hmmm, interesting. I wouldn't go with Cafepress, however, because they don't
offer shirts in any color but white and gray, and even then, they only offer
the printable area of 8x10 on the front (not sure about the back). One of
the most common requests when I made the minifig shirt was "Hey, can I get
just the CS <or subtheme> logo on a <certain color> shirt?"
>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
Very good.
> If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> about designs.
Hooray!
>
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
I'm certainly interested. However, I have to wonder if TLC is going to have
their designers make a few shirts with the official logos on them? Certainly
TLC wouldn't want us to make a crappy looking CS logo, for instance, when
they could simply apply the official art themselves. Would they consider
offering official logos for download (pdf, maybe?), at which point we could
use the logo to make a custom shirt? Just some questions to consider...
I applaud the interest shown by TLC in the matter. Maybe some of my whining
did a little bit of good. ;^)
Thanks LEGO!
~Mark "Muffin Head" Sandlin
--
Mark's Lego Creations
http://www.nwlink.com/~sandlin/lego
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Mark Sandlin writes:
>
> Hmmm, interesting. I wouldn't go with Cafepress, however, because they don't
> offer shirts in any color but white and gray, and even then, they only offer
> the printable area of 8x10 on the front (not sure about the back). One of
> the most common requests when I made the minifig shirt was "Hey, can I get
> just the CS <or subtheme> logo on a <certain color> shirt?"
Would ThinkGeek do a similar kind of deal?
KL
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Mark Sandlin writes:
> Hmmm, interesting. I wouldn't go with Cafepress, however, because they don't
> offer shirts in any color but white and gray, and even then, they only offer
> the printable area of 8x10 on the front (not sure about the back). One of
> the most common requests when I made the minifig shirt was "Hey, can I get
> just the CS <or subtheme> logo on a <certain color> shirt?"
I'm not sure if they're "set" on CafePress.com -- but Brad did specifically
mention it.
Out of curiosity, do you know of other shirt places online that do 100% of
the post-design work (taking the orders, taking the money, printing the
goods, shipping the goods, and cutting the checks)?
If you feel strongly that CafePress.com is the wrong choice, be sure to let
Brad know and suggest alternatives to him.
> I'm certainly interested. However, I have to wonder if TLC is going to have
> their designers make a few shirts with the official logos on them? Certainly
> TLC wouldn't want us to make a crappy looking CS logo, for instance, when
> they could simply apply the official art themselves. Would they consider
> offering official logos for download (pdf, maybe?), at which point we could
> use the logo to make a custom shirt? Just some questions to consider...
I do hope that they offer artwork in digital format -- pre-color-corrected
for the target printing device. That would save them lots of time when they
quality-assure the products prior to making them available. I remember when
I did the LUGNET T-shirts at CafePress.com, it took a few passes to get the
colors right -- and only when the colors came out well-matched did I make
the shirts available for sale.
> I applaud the interest shown by TLC in the matter. Maybe some of my whining
> did a little bit of good. ;^)
I do too. It's a nice solution because it supports community interests and
desires in a way which preserves TLC's intellectual property. LEGO is
showing that they respect fans' desires by doing this, and they're taking
what could have been a bad situation (what happened last month) and looking
to turn it into a positive situation for everyone.
--Todd
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One shirt I'd LOVE to see - Studs.
If you've ever been to LLC or some of the LICs/Outlets, you've probably seen
the kids shirts in primary colors, with the stud outlines and LEGO logo in
white. They don't make them in adult sizes. I WANT them in adult sizes!
Todd & Suz wrote:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
>
> If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> about designs.
>
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
>
> --Todd & Suz
>
> p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
--
| Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp
| Please do not associate my personal views with my employer
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Yes! I spent quite a while browsing the gift shops at Legoland California
looking for a shirt and couldn't find anything between boring little Legoland
logos (which I ended up buying) and big, obnoxious theme-specific designs that
(theoretically) would appeal to 6-year-olds. And then, there it was -- the
studs shirt! "Totally cool," I thought, "which color(s) do I want.
And then the crushing disappointment to find it only came in children's sizes.
Doug
In lugnet.lego.direct, Tom Stangl writes:
> One shirt I'd LOVE to see - Studs.
>
> If you've ever been to LLC or some of the LICs/Outlets, you've probably seen
> the kids shirts in primary colors, with the stud outlines and LEGO logo in
> white. They don't make them in adult sizes. I WANT them in adult sizes!
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I think there are lots of good ideas that have already been suggested, and it's
still in the first hour of the announcement!
Personally, I like the idea of a 2x4 (please, NOT a red brick!) and the small
LEGO logo beneath the collar, and a large Wolfpack shield t-shirt, but I'd love
to see the "deer" shield pattern on a shirt.
The train compendium is a good idea, but I suggest that the various sets be on
the back of the shirt, with the LEGO Trains logo on the front. And PLEASE
include 396 (Thatcher-Perkins) in the picture!
I like the suggestion of using Page 4 of the 956 instruction book, but that is
a little busy - step 12 would be good all by itself. I think a Technic Shirt
would be cool.
But what I really want is a XXL polo shirt with the Model Team logo on the
front !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paul Sinasohn
LUGNET #115
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
Excellent idea.
I'm curious about the logistics, because this seems like one of the things
that could be done well, or could be done very badly.
I imagine (and would expect) that fans would submit designs (through
Lugnet?) and they would have to be approved by LEGO (and Lugnet?) before
they could be printed.
IMHO, good candidates for shirts:
various torso printing, to let us look like minifigs (classic Space logos, etc)
"Adult Fan of LEGO"
"LEGO toys: Recommended age: 0-99"
"www.lugnet.com - come play with the big kids."
Whole bunchs of other ideas will no doubt crop up.
James
(another step forward - Woohoo!)
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In lugnet.lego.direct, James Brown writes:
> I'm curious about the logistics, because this seems like one of the things
> that could be done well, or could be done very badly.
>
> I imagine (and would expect) that fans would submit designs (through
> Lugnet?) and they would have to be approved by LEGO (and Lugnet?) before
> they could be printed.
I believe that LEGO Direct wants to "own" the accounts wherever they choose
to sell the shirts through (i.e., they keep the password to the account and
they receive all the cheques at their own mailing address). That way, (1)
they know all the accounting figures, and (2) it's clear from a legal
standpoint that they're still in charge of their intellectual property.
There may be other reasons. I'd be surprised if they gave a green light
to people to set up their own accounts at CafePress.com (or wherever) and
start selling LEGO-branded shirts.
I don't know how they plan to collect submissions or narrow them down. I
imagine they'll set up an email address or take submissions via this
newsgroup.
--Todd
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Would like to see Star Wars Lego Classic and Episode 1 Logo T-shirts
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Reid Tomlins writes:
> Would like to see Star Wars Lego Classic and Episode 1 Logo T-shirts
My guess is that those would be a *problem* in that they get into LEGO licences
with 3rd parties (Lucas Films in this case). I would bet we wouldn't be able
to do those.
Eric Kingsley
The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
Why not have submissions be the same or related to the "Cool LEGO Site of the
Week" contests? The community (which would be the ones doing the purchasing)
would get to choose which design to produce.
Sub scenario 1:
Every (4 weeks | duration TBD), put up 5-10 designs, and make the (1 | 2 |
3) winning design(s) available for 6 months, then retire it. Yes, just like
TLC sets. But unlike TLC sets, retirement is only effective for (1 year |
duration TBD).
A benefit is that the designs don't stagnate in a warehouse. Another is A
detractor is that per-unit costs may be slightly higher than full-on mass
production.
Sub scenario 2:
Produce sizeable amounts of the winning design of the (quarter | time unit
TBD) to make sales and to stock up, then continue sales from the stock while
the next new design comes up to speed.
A benefit is locked-in low per-unit price. One detractor is imprecisely
gauging demand and overproducing, much like TLC is having problems with right
now.
-----
William Wong - "The Forgotten One"
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
Why not have submissions be the same or related to the "Cool LEGO Site of the
Week" contests? The community (which would be the ones doing the purchasing)
would get to choose which design to produce.
Sub scenario 1:
Every (1 month | 4 weeks), put up 5-10 designs, and make the (1 | 2 | 3)
winning design(s) available for 6 months, then retire it. Yes, just like TLC
sets. But unlike TLC sets, retirement is only effective for (1 year | duration
TBD).
A benefit is that the designs don't stagnate in a warehouse. Another is A
detractor is that per-unit costs may be slightly higher than full-on mass
production.
Sub scenario 2:
Produce sizeable amounts of the winning design of the (quarter | time unit
TBD) to make sales and to stock up, then continue sales from the stock while
the next new design comes up to speed.
A benefit is locked-in low per-unit price. One detractor is imprecisely
gauging demand and overproducing, much like TLC is having problems with right
now.
-----
William Wong - "The Forgotten One"
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
>
> If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> about designs.
>
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
>
> --Todd & Suz
Hmmmm... a long sleeve blue T-shirt with a Black Falcon logo... *Drool* =)
I could also go for one of each of the other castle sub-themes, just the
logos on the corresponding colored T's. I hope if this ever works itself
out we can have the option of T's with long sleeves. This really is great
news, thanks Brad. =)
~Nathan
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I would LOVE to see a black falcons tshirt.
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Jonathan Wilson wrote:
>
> I would LOVE to see a black falcons tshirt.
I like the idea too. Dress up like our favorite minifig. For those close to
us who suspect we may need counseling, this would remove all doubts. :)
Mark
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> >
<snip>
> --Todd & Suz
>
> p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
I would love some Posters. Just think of the ones from the United Nations...
The possibilities are endless. History of a theme, History of an element,
Figure evolution.... Photos! Drawings! Blueprints! 3-D! (and glasses
accompany the poster).... Maybe some edgy sort of stuff! Poster of the
month club? Ok maybe that would be a bit much, but 4 a year might work.
I'd sign up for a subscription. Preorder before production with a limited
number of over-runs to be sold at a slightly higher price. Voting to
determine what the next poster subject would be and then contests with
voting to determine the actual poster from those submited.
Bumper stickers?
Maybe some *official* custom stickers/decals for bricks or a booklet of most
desired ones from the past....
I know nothing of printing costs of these sorts of item. Cost of production
vs income generated??????? At least one size would fit all :-)
Are paper items an area TLC would sanction? Would anyone besides me be
interested in these sort of items?
sheree
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> > Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> > He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> > branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> > such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
> >
> > >
>
>
> <snip>
>
>
> > --Todd & Suz
> >
> > p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> > special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
>
>
> I would love some Posters. Just think of the ones from the United Nations...
> The possibilities are endless. History of a theme, History of an element,
> Figure evolution.... Photos! Drawings! Blueprints! 3-D! (and glasses
> accompany the poster).... Maybe some edgy sort of stuff! Poster of the
> month club? Ok maybe that would be a bit much, but 4 a year might work.
> I'd sign up for a subscription. Preorder before production with a limited
> number of over-runs to be sold at a slightly higher price. Voting to
> determine what the next poster subject would be and then contests with
> voting to determine the actual poster from those submited.
>
> Bumper stickers?
Yeah, "My other car is made of Legos"
-Darrell
>
> Maybe some *official* custom stickers/decals for bricks or a booklet of most
> desired ones from the past....
>
> I know nothing of printing costs of these sorts of item. Cost of production
> vs income generated??????? At least one size would fit all :-)
>
> Are paper items an area TLC would sanction? Would anyone besides me be
> interested in these sort of items?
>
> sheree
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darrellk <darrellk@pixelmonkey.net> wrote:
> Yeah, "My other car is made of Legos"
"My other car is made of LEGO blocks." :)
--
Matthew Miller ---> mattdm@mattdm.org
Quotes 'R' Us ---> http://quotes-r-us.org/
Boston University Linux ---> http://linux.bu.edu/
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Matthew Miller wrote:
> darrellk <darrellk@pixelmonkey.net> wrote:
> > Yeah, "My other car is made of Legos"
>
> "My other car is made of LEGO blocks." :)
"My other car is made of LEGO® blocks." :-)
-John
>
>
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
<snip>
>
> > p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> > special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
>
>
> I would love some Posters. Just think of the ones from the United Nations...
> The possibilities are endless. History of a theme, History of an element,
> Figure evolution.... Photos! Drawings! Blueprints! 3-D! (and glasses
> accompany the poster).... Maybe some edgy sort of stuff!
I would like to see posters of LEGO-modified artwork such as some of the
examples that appear at the end of LEGO Island.
Maggie C.
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> p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a
possibility.
How about the "design" of bulk parts packs? I've said it before, but
I'd love to see a really good castle expansion pack, with lots of basic
grey bricks at a reasonable cost....
And yes, I know about the castle pack for 2001, but it's not quite
right.
I'm sure other people would have suggestions for bulk parts packs. :-)
-Roy
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
>
> If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> about designs.
>
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
>
> --Todd & Suz
>
> p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
Todd and everyone,
Whatever third party company we pick to print the shirts should have reasonable
international shipping rates. Cafepress is way too expensive to ship even to
Canada.
Jude
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Jude Beaudin writes:
> Whatever third party company we pick to print the shirts should have
> reasonable international shipping rates. Cafepress is way too expensive
> to ship even to Canada.
I would expect that LEGO Direct will want to pick the company who prints
and ships the shirts. If you know of alternatives to CafePress.com, be sure
to let Brad Justus know!
--Todd
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
Yippeeeee!!! <Calm down right now! Ed.>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
Has TLC considered that children role play as well as playing with Lego
Bricks? Ie maybe lego could scale up some of the Minfig acessories? and do
playsuits as well. (FUT otfftopic.debate on whether toy sowrds encourage
violence in later life...) After all Lego wants to become a brand name.
Personaly I'd love to seet-shirts but what I would really like is a suitably
designed neck tie.. Show your work-mates what you think about Lego by
wearing one of the speciall designed neck ties...
Some possible designs are - The Lego(R) Logo
Lego Studs
2x2 Bricks in a repeating pattern
Minfigs...?
Theme Logos.
...
>
> If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> about designs.
>
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
Propose follwing changes in the Lugnet Hireachy:
Lugnet.lego.product.suggest - General product suggestions to Lego
lugnet.lego.product.community - Disscussion and sugestion of
products such as the t-shirts
lugnet.lego.product.community.submit - Special group to which designs
only can be posted for approval by Lugnet/TLC.. No Followups allowed...
Of course there might also need to be a few more new newsgroups...
lugnet.lego.product.suggest.part - Disscusion of new building elements.
lugnet.lego.product.suggest.sets - Disscusion of new sets/ranges.
lugnet.lego.product.community.media - disscusion of community designed
media such as posters,videos,audio tapes.
lugnet.publish.media - disccusion of issues rleated to
video and other forms of publishing(esp Digital)
lugnet.anim - Disscusion of animation with
Lego(R) bricks.
lugnet.anim.showcase - Group for posting animations done
in Using Lego(R) elements...
lugnet.media.showcase - non commerical fan-produced media
(not model designs or animations..)
and related followup...
(intended that links only be posted
and related media stored on a different server.)
>
> --Todd & Suz
>
> p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
In no particular order..
------------------------
Posters.
Mousepad...- Turn it over and use it a baseplate?
Stickers...
Fan creataed media... Collections of artwork, drawings, writings etc...
Convention Videos? ... Ie Showcases of what went on at LegoFests's...
(could also inlcude fan done animations here... Aren't many yet but with
studio out there could be several soon!!)
I would also hope that TLC was thnking of way to allow AFOL's to particpate
in he design of new ideas.... Of course there are issues of confidentiality
here....
Alex
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Matthew Miller writes:
> darrellk <darrellk@pixelmonkey.net> wrote:
> > Yeah, "My other car is made of Legos"
>
> "My other car is made of LEGO blocks." :)
LEGO® is a trademark of the LEGO Group of companies which does not sponsor,
authorize or endorse my other car.
Jude
:-)
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In lugnet.fun, Jude Beaudin writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Matthew Miller writes:
> > darrellk <darrellk@pixelmonkey.net> wrote:
> > > Yeah, "My other car is made of Legos"
> >
> > "My other car is made of LEGO blocks." :)
>
> LEGO® is a trademark of the LEGO Group of companies which does not sponsor,
> authorize or endorse my other car.
>
> Jude
>
> :-)
You'd need quite a bumper for that one! :T
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What's on the shirt I don't really care, but if given a choice a 2x4 brick,
classic space logo, or the Lego logo would be cool. What I do really care
about is size and style. XXL, cause some of us aren't what you'd call thin.
And a POLO shirt would rule, that way I could wear it to work. I spend most
of my time in polo shirts since I spend a lot of time at work.
Jason
In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
>
> If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> about designs.
>
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
>
> --Todd & Suz
>
> p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
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Jason Ellis wrote:
> And a POLO shirt would rule, that way I could wear it to work. I spend most
> of my time in polo shirts since I spend a lot of time at work.
Hmmm, I spend a lot of my time in T-Shirts because I spend a lot of time
at work (actually, these days, I almost never wear anything but T-Shirts
[well, pants, socks, underwear, and shoes also...)
FUT: lugnet.off-topic.fun
Frank
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
>
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
Just tossing in my ideas for the procedural stuff. Have an
LUGNET email address set up specifically for design submissions.
Submissions should be supported with art where possible. If
not possible, then volunteers could be tasked with turning
the written submissions into art. Ultimately a web site would
be needed to display the submissions. They should be converted
into some kind of standard form, so that all shirts, etc., look
alike except for the different print options.
Put deadlines on the submissions, and then once ready, start
on-line voting. Most votes win. Take the top vote getters
for submission to TLC for "official approval", and archive
the runner-ups for future products. It probably makes sense
to have proof examples made for review before comitting to
the volume.
I agree that the actual product artwork should be of very high
quality, using original source from TLC. Ditto for the materials
to be of very high quality. For motorsports souvenirs its not
uncommon for T-shirts to be US$30-50, and many are of a very
good quality (unfortunately many have really gawd-awful designs!).
As for actual suggestions, here's mine. I think shirts are
a very good idea. At the moment they're about the only thing
I would buy.
LEGO-identifiable items I would like to see are:
1) LEGO logo
2) "Just imagine..." or similar slogan
3) LUGNET logo
4) 2x4 brick
5) 5 stacked bricks (red, green, blue, yellow, black)
a la the Olympic rings..., represents every country in
the world (with a white background).
6) Classic space logo (if the market's big enough).
7) *NO* flippin' website addresses or other dotcom
propaganda!
8) No little (C) symbols or notes either. It's an
officially licensed product, put it on the label.
I like small yet identifiable shirt elements. There
can be shirts with large images on them, just as long
as there's one without, please ;]
Some of the racing T-shirts I own have nifty little
patches near the left sleeve cuff. In general they are the
logo of the shirt maker or the product license owner. I
think I've also seen them with a patch on each arm
(World Series style(?) but smaller).
My vote for a generic LEGO/LUGNET T-shirt would be:
- white
- 2x4 brick left chest
- "Just imagine..." slogan on back below collar
- LEGO logo patch on left sleeve
- LUGNET logo patch on right sleeve.
Alternate would be:
- white
- LEGO logo on left chest
- stack of five "Olympic" bricks on back below collar
- LUGNET logo patch on left sleeve
(- I can customize mine by sewing a flag patch on the
right sleeve.)
A little less casual, I'd also vote for a collar
shirt, full button length, long sleeve, button
down collar, pocketed, with an embroidered LEGO
logo on the left chest.
It would be nice to have the embroidered LEGO logo
available as an individual item, too.
I hope I'm not asking for too much. This sounds
like fun!
KDJ
________________________________________________________
Kyle D. Jackson, LUGNETer #203, Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Kyle D. Jackson writes:
> Just tossing in my ideas for the procedural stuff. Have an
> LUGNET email address set up specifically for design submissions.
Well, we could set up a special newsgroup/mailing list if that would be
helpful. A email address at lugnet.com for design submissions would kinda
be a bottleneck, plus I won't really be getting involved in this except to
set up an order page on LUGNET if that's where LEGO Direct would like the
sales to originate.
> Submissions should be supported with art where possible. If not possible,
> then volunteers could be tasked with turning the written submissions into
> art. Ultimately a web site would be needed to display the submissions.
> They should be converted into some kind of standard form, so that all
> shirts, etc., look alike except for the different print options.
Except for the ordering page, which is generated by a script given a bunch
of data and prices, I whipped up all of the LUGNET T-shirt pages
http://www.lugnet.com/gear/tshirts/
http://www.lugnet.com/gear/tshirts/C
http://www.lugnet.com/gear/tshirts/E
etc.
using LUGNET's page-content system:
http://www.lugnet.com/publish/ftx/guide/
Someone sufficiently motivated could do something similar for new shirts --
unless LEGO has other ideas about page locations.
> Put deadlines on the submissions, and then once ready, start on-line
> voting. Most votes win. Take the top vote getters for submission to TLC
> for "official approval", and archive the runner-ups for future products.
> It probably makes sense to have proof examples made for review before
> comitting to the volume.
One neat thing is that if LEGO chooses a place like CafePress.com, they can
do runs of one, or ten, or one hundred -- all the same to them. I think the
overhead issues would be more of mind-share time of the people approving the
designs at LEGO.
(LUGNET doesn't yet have a generalized voting engine, BTW.)
> I agree that the actual product artwork should be of very high quality,
> using original source from TLC. Ditto for the materials to be of very high
> quality. For motorsports souvenirs its not uncommon for T-shirts to be
> US$30-50, and many are of a very good quality (unfortunately many have
> really gawd-awful designs!).
Hmm...maybe if things go really well with a medium-quality place, LEGO might
consider re-making some of the better-selling designs at a high-quality place
and selling them mainstream at the LIC's or at LEGOLAND...? :-)
> [...]
> A little less casual, I'd also vote for a collar shirt, full button length,
> long sleeve, button down collar, pocketed, with an embroidered LEGO logo on
> the left chest.
Hoh! Yes!
--Todd
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
>
> Well, we could set up a special newsgroup/mailing list if that would be
> helpful. A email address at lugnet.com for design submissions would kinda
That's probably a good idea. That way it allows for some group
discussion (some good, some bad) about what's going on with the
design ideas.
> Except for the ordering page, which is generated by a script given a bunch
> of data and prices, I whipped up all of the LUGNET T-shirt pages
>
> http://www.lugnet.com/gear/tshirts/
> http://www.lugnet.com/gear/tshirts/C
> http://www.lugnet.com/gear/tshirts/E
> etc.
>
> using LUGNET's page-content system:
>
> http://www.lugnet.com/publish/ftx/guide/
>
> Someone sufficiently motivated could do something similar for new shirts --
> unless LEGO has other ideas about page locations.
Wow, I don't think I've seen those shirt pages before. But
yeah, that's exactly the idea I had in mind.
> (LUGNET doesn't yet have a generalized voting engine, BTW.)
By that you mean an automated one, correct?
> > I agree that the actual product artwork should be of very high quality,
> > using original source from TLC. Ditto for the materials to be of very high
> > quality. For motorsports souvenirs its not uncommon for T-shirts to be
> > US$30-50, and many are of a very good quality (unfortunately many have
> > really gawd-awful designs!).
>
> Hmm...maybe if things go really well with a medium-quality place, LEGO might
> consider re-making some of the better-selling designs at a high-quality place
> and selling them mainstream at the LIC's or at LEGOLAND...? :-)
That would be neat! Depending on what "medium quality" means, I
may not buy them in the first place though. I would like to buy
ones that are the same quality as I would find in a clothing
store for all my other clothes (Sears, The Bay, etc.). Something
with a high quality printing that won't crank/fade/peel in a
short amount of time.
> > A little less casual, I'd also vote for a collar shirt, full button length,
> > long sleeve, button down collar, pocketed, with an embroidered LEGO logo on
> > the left chest.
>
> Hoh! Yes!
Ya like that, eh? :] Even though its "less casual" than a
T-shirt, I wouldn't be able to wear one to work. Our company
has a "dress code" that we cannot wear logos (except for
discrete ones from the clothing maker). But I'm sure it'd
get plenty of elsewhere wear! :]
KDJ
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LUGNETer #203, Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Todd & Suz wrote:
>
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
snip....
Given that most of us may have a fondness for themes that are no longer
marketed, I hope that TLC doesn't mind retro.
Put me down for a half dozen XXL black tees with a foot-tall Blacktron I
minfig on them with a space background. If we can't get that specific, at
least have the Blacktron I guy prominent on the space tee.
Mark
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
>
> If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> about designs.
I'm allowing myself to be moderately excited about this, but only
moderately. I'll be very excited if we find out that we can order shirts to
fit all sizes, not just S-XL. I can wear a XXL, but I prefer XXXL for
comfort and to combat shrinkage.
Didn't Todd offer LUGNET t-shirts through the same place - and weren't they
limited to just XL?
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Mike Stanley wrote:
snip...
> Didn't Todd offer LUGNET t-shirts through the same place - and weren't they
> limited to just XL?
When I looked through the selection, XL was the largest, which was too small
for me. Some XL's fit, but to be safe I go the next size up. Would have
liked a couple of those Lugnet tees too. :(
Mark
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"Ice" <icestorm@inwave.com> wrote in message
news:3A213CC9.FE25E38C@inwave.com...
> Mike Stanley wrote:
> snip...
> > Didn't Todd offer LUGNET t-shirts through the same place - and weren't • they
> > limited to just XL?
>
> When I looked through the selection, XL was the largest, which was too • small
> for me. Some XL's fit, but to be safe I go the next size up. Would have
> liked a couple of those Lugnet tees too. :(
The LUGNET T-Shirts are also available in adult oversize (XXL and bigger),
see:
http://www.lugnet.com/gear/order.cgi
-Frank
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Mike Stanley writes:
> [...]
> Didn't Todd offer LUGNET t-shirts through the same place - and weren't they
> limited to just XL?
Initially, they only went up to adult XL, but now they go up to adult XXXXL.
--Todd
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Wow! This is a long thread! Guess that means there's some interest, huh?
Pardon me if some of this stuff has been suggested already.
I'd like to see the following:
Classic Space t-shirts exactly like the ones Mark made. They were super
cool!
Two types of the Classic Space logo. One with just the logo, small over the
left breast and then a large one centered on the back. And of course one
with just the large logo on the front, and perhap the deconstructed minifig
below the collar in back. Most importantly, the planet in the logo should
have the surface crater detail visible on the flag from #6970 (if you have
this flag you'll know what I mean). All colors, perhaps even green and
purple?
Blue Classic Space t-shirts with box pictures of famoust sets, ie Galaxy
Explorer!
Futuron t-shirts that copy the torso design. Ditto for Blacktron I, Space
Police I, + Mtron. I left out the rest 'cause they're more complicated and
not as striking (IMHO). Would anybody want a Blacktron II torso?
Black Falcon, Crusader, Wolfpack, Forestmen, Classic Castle torso t-shirts.
There could princess and Forestman female t-shirts especially for the
ladies!
I think it would really cool if the sweaters and long-sleeve t-shirts
followed the color scheme, so that red Mtron sweater torsos would have white
arms, etc. Perhaps black cuffs as well?
As for other items, I want a giant blue poster with nothing but the Classic
Space logo smack dab in the middle. Ditto for the mouse pad and coffee mug.
Mousepads with box pictures of famous Classic Space and Castle sets.
T-shirt with Lego logo on breast, large logo in back, all colors.
Sweatshirts too. Ooh! Leather jackets!
Aagh! There's so many cool things we could do! BTW, Todd, one thing I'd
REALLY like is minifig-sized Lugnet logo stickers on clear sheets, pre-cut
and ready to apply. I want to make more Lugnet Classic Spacemen!
Oh, one other thing. THIS IS FANTASTIC, STUPENDOUS, MOMENTOUS, INCREDIBLY
EXCITING NEWS!
Dave
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> From: "David Simmons" <xenobuzz@onemain.com>
> Ooh! Leather jackets!
Yes, yes, YES, YES, YES!!!!!
Oh man, I would LOVE to see a nice black leather jacket with a Classic Space
logo on the back!
Please make it a nice, trendy straight-cut style. No elastic waist, please!
MmmMMmMMmmm... leather jacket.
~Mark "Muffin Head" Sandlin
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Mark's Lego Creations
http://www.nwlink.com/~sandlin/lego
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Mark Sandlin wrote in message ...
> > From: "David Simmons" <xenobuzz@onemain.com>
>
> > Ooh! Leather jackets!
>
> Yes, yes, YES, YES, YES!!!!!
>
> Oh man, I would LOVE to see a nice black leather jacket with a Classic • Space
> logo on the back!
Nice idea, but.... I'd rather have a LEGO patch to put on my existing
jacket. I have an emotional investment in the leather jacket I already have!
Kevin
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Kevin Wilson wrote:
>
> Mark Sandlin wrote in message ...
> > > From: "David Simmons" <xenobuzz@onemain.com>
> >
> > > Ooh! Leather jackets!
> >
> > Yes, yes, YES, YES, YES!!!!!
> >
> > Oh man, I would LOVE to see a nice black leather jacket with a Classic • Space
> > logo on the back!
>
> Nice idea, but.... I'd rather have a LEGO patch to put on my existing
> jacket. I have an emotional investment in the leather jacket I already have!
>
> Kevin
Being a vegetarian, I would not want TLC associated with leather jacket
making. I feel guilty enough about really liking the McDonald's sets,
the Shell Oil promotional sets, and for that matter...the ABS itself :)
How about a hemp jacket? ;)
f.u.t. debate
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Thomas Main
main@appstate.edu
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What does being a vegetarian have to do with feeling gulity about Shell sets
and ABS plastic? The oil those two use is from creatures that died several
hundred thousand years before humans even walked the planet.
BTW, hemp makes TERRIBLE clothing, IMO.
Jason
In lugnet.lego.direct, Thomas Main writes:
> Being a vegetarian, I would not want TLC associated with leather jacket
> making. I feel guilty enough about really liking the McDonald's sets,
> the Shell Oil promotional sets, and for that matter...the ABS itself :)
> How about a hemp jacket? ;)
>
> f.u.t. debate
>
> --
> Thomas Main
> main@appstate.edu
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jason Rowoldt writes:
> What does being a vegetarian have to do with feeling gulity about Shell sets
> and ABS plastic? The oil those two use is from creatures that died several
> hundred thousand years before humans even walked the planet.
It may have more to do with the environmental destruction wrought
by Dutch Royal Shell, mostly in the Arctic and in Africa. I'm more
concerned about their activities from a human standpoint, but like
most extractive industries, it's their depradations that make our
rather cosy way of life even possible.
> BTW, hemp makes TERRIBLE clothing, IMO.
Yeah, but people are much more prepared to run into a burning building
to save trapped people if there's a side benefit...;)
best
LFB
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There are also debates on whether the oil is FROM plants and animals. The
argument is that the oil reserves VASTLY outweigh the possible biomass from the
past.
There is a good argument for petroleum simply FORMING from various chemicals,
just like the Soup Of Life did (DON'T EVEN drag Religion into that statement!).
Jason wrote:
> What does being a vegetarian have to do with feeling gulity about Shell sets
> and ABS plastic? The oil those two use is from creatures that died several
> hundred thousand years before humans even walked the planet.
>
> BTW, hemp makes TERRIBLE clothing, IMO.
>
> Jason
>
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Thomas Main writes:
>
> > Being a vegetarian, I would not want TLC associated with leather jacket
> > making. I feel guilty enough about really liking the McDonald's sets,
> > the Shell Oil promotional sets, and for that matter...the ABS itself :)
> > How about a hemp jacket? ;)
> >
> > f.u.t. debate
> >
> > --
> > Thomas Main
> > main@appstate.edu
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| Please do not associate my personal views with my employer
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> From: Thomas Main <main@appstate.edu>
>
> Being a vegetarian, I would not want TLC associated with leather jacket
> making. I feel guilty enough about really liking the McDonald's sets,
> the Shell Oil promotional sets, and for that matter...the ABS itself :)
> How about a hemp jacket? ;)
So, by your logic, it's ok for me to buy the jacket if I feel bad about it
afterward? If not, then why do you keep buying LEGO if you truly feel bad
about the ABS being a petroleum product? Is it ok or not?
If you really sit down and think about it, and feel guilty about every
little teeny thing that allows us our modern conveniences, you should
probably move out in the boonies and "live off the land.'
We all assuage our guilt in different ways.
Some people become vegetarians, some people join the Peace Corps.
I have adopted two dogs from the shelter, and I do volunteer design work for
the pet shelter as well. Not really Mother Theresa, to quote another Lugnet
member, but I feel like I'm doing something positive in these two doggie
lives.
~Mark "Muffin Head" Sandlin
--
Mark's Lego Creations
http://www.nwlink.com/~sandlin/lego
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Mark Sandlin wrote:
> I have adopted two dogs from the shelter, and I do volunteer design work for
> the pet shelter as well. Not really Mother Theresa, to quote another Lugnet
> member, but I feel like I'm doing something positive in these two doggie
> lives.
Ditto - all 3 of our cats were rescued. Doesn't stop me from being a Near
Carnivore, though ;-)
--
| Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp
| Please do not associate my personal views with my employer
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> Mark Sandlin wrote:
>
> > I have adopted two dogs from the shelter, and I do volunteer design work for
> > the pet shelter as well. Not really Mother Theresa, to quote another Lugnet
> > member, but I feel like I'm doing something positive in these two doggie
> > lives.
>
> Ditto - all 3 of our cats were rescued. Doesn't stop me from being a Near
> Carnivore, though ;-)
A "Near Carnivore?" What does that mean? You eat *near* animals? ;)
(Actually, if you have three cats, that's probably true too.)
best
LFB
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I would have thought it was obvious - I eat meat whenever possible, and vastly
prefer it to any greenery (though a steak without a potato is lacking a bit).
;-)
Mr L F Braun wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> > Mark Sandlin wrote:
> >
> > > I have adopted two dogs from the shelter, and I do volunteer design work for
> > > the pet shelter as well. Not really Mother Theresa, to quote another Lugnet
> > > member, but I feel like I'm doing something positive in these two doggie
> > > lives.
> >
> > Ditto - all 3 of our cats were rescued. Doesn't stop me from being a Near
> > Carnivore, though ;-)
>
> A "Near Carnivore?" What does that mean? You eat *near* animals? ;)
> (Actually, if you have three cats, that's probably true too.)
>
> best
>
> LFB
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mark Sandlin writes:
> > From: Thomas Main <main@appstate.edu>
> >
> > Being a vegetarian, I would not want TLC associated with leather jacket
> > making. I feel guilty enough about really liking the McDonald's sets,
> > the Shell Oil promotional sets, and for that matter...the ABS itself :)
> > How about a hemp jacket? ;)
>
> So, by your logic, it's ok for me to buy the jacket if I feel bad about it
> afterward? If not, then why do you keep buying LEGO if you truly feel bad
> about the ABS being a petroleum product? Is it ok or not?
It's perfectly ok for you to buy the jacket and not feel guilty about it. It
is not ok for me to buy the jacket at all. Moral relavitism, but with some
self-created absolute boundaries.
Is Lego ok? Yes, because I also drive a car and use electricity and in general
waste non-renewable energy without feeling *too* guilty. But I want to examine
and move towards a more rational and ethical personal ethic regarding my energy
use.
> If you really sit down and think about it, and feel guilty about every
> little teeny thing that allows us our modern conveniences, you should
> probably move out in the boonies and "live off the land.'
But I think it is better to engage in community and society and live with moral
and ethical contradictions while doing so.
>
> We all assuage our guilt in different ways.
Guilt is a useless emotion unless it causes personal change. It's a good
indicator that something's wrong, but I want to get to the point where I can
change positively without having to undergo guilt feelings.
> Some people become vegetarians, some people join the Peace Corps.
>
> I have adopted two dogs from the shelter, and I do volunteer design work for
> the pet shelter as well. Not really Mother Theresa, to quote another Lugnet
> member, but I feel like I'm doing something positive in these two doggie
> lives.
Keeping positive energy and love flowing is what it's all about :)
--
Thomas Main
main@appstate.edu
> ~Mark "Muffin Head" Sandlin
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
>
> Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> it's pretty open-ended.
>
> If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> about designs.
>
> Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
>
> --Todd & Suz
>
> p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
Just a bit short of 3 months since this announcement. Anything going on
here at Lugnet or Lego Direct regarding it?
sheree
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:48:36 GMT, writes:
> Just a bit short of 3 months since this announcement. Anything going on
> here at Lugnet or Lego Direct regarding it?
I've been wondering that too. I'm not sure what LD's schedule is for the
project. Brad Justus said that he'd like to do it and I offered to post
about it for him after we met with him in November. It's LD's project and
not something Suzanne or I would involved closely with.
--Todd
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman & Suzanne Rich writes:
> > Brad Justus of LEGO Direct approached us last week with a bold new idea:
> > He would like to allow the community to design its own collection of LEGO
> > branded items, to be sold online by The LEGO Company through a third party
> > such as CafePress.com, with the proceeds being donated to to LUGNET.
> >
> > Thus, subject to approval by TLC, shirt designs could use certain LEGO
> > trademarks -- for example, the prominent display of a mini-figure or,
> > perhaps, a Wolfpack or Blacktron logo. As the idea stands right now,
> > it's pretty open-ended.
> >
> > If this sounds good to you (it does to us!), there will obviously be many
> > logistical details to work out, but it's not too early to start thinking
> > about designs.
> >
> > Details to work out include: how submissions would be presented to TLC
> > for approval, how much involvement or feedback there would be from TLC
> > designers, where and how the items would be promoted, price points, etc.
> > This post is mainly to make the announcement and gauge interest.
> >
> > --Todd & Suz
> >
> > p.s. Brad also said that if things went well with T-shirts, other
> > special items such as coffee mugs and/or mousepads may be a possibility.
>
>
>
> Just a bit short of 3 months since this announcement. Anything going on
> here at Lugnet or Lego Direct regarding it?
>
> sheree
I've been wondering about this for a month now. LD's idea was such a kind
gesture, it's really not my place to push it.
I can say, I am personally saddened to see LD drop interest in their idea. They
had sounded so excited about it when we met in NYC.
It seems there are a great many unanswered questions. If you need to, I'd
suggest putting a few rough sketches on a web page to point to from a post. For
instance, ask, "would something like this [link] be what you're talking about?
what about the legality of this [link]?" "who would render the art?" etc.
I would seriously like to see the whole community come together on this. Read
through all the posts in this thread, take notes of the different ideas
(discussing them in another area. maybe, publish?), put them into a list,
consider any additions, and only then: return to lugnet.lego.direct with an
inquiry and a direct proposal to Brad.
As Todd said, this isn't his and my project, it's LD's and yours. And I'm not
really up to rallying folks -- I have too many projects already. :-)
But I do look forward to seeing the clever, community-designed products that
will surely result! It's really a great opportunity.
-Suz
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> Just a bit short of 3 months since this announcement. Anything going on
> here at Lugnet or Lego Direct regarding it?
Sheree (et. al),
We haven't forgotten about the idea at all. It is actually taking some time
to come up with a solution that:
1. Yields the high level of quality you expect from LEGO and we expect from
ourselves
2. Meets a reasonable price tag, not for us, but for your pocket book.
Remember if our price is $20 per shirt, we would obviously have to price
them at least that cost, which is obviously too much.
3. Meets the fulfillment needs and requirements as would any product.
We haven't forgotten about you, it is just taking some time to put all the
pieces together.
Hope this helps!
Jake
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Jake McKee writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> > Just a bit short of 3 months since this announcement. Anything going on
> > here at Lugnet or Lego Direct regarding it?
>
>
> Sheree (et. al),
>
> We haven't forgotten about the idea at all. It is actually taking some time
> to come up with a solution that:
>
> 1. Yields the high level of quality you expect from LEGO and we expect from
> ourselves
>
> 2. Meets a reasonable price tag, not for us, but for your pocket book.
> Remember if our price is $20 per shirt, we would obviously have to price
> them at least that cost, which is obviously too much.
>
> 3. Meets the fulfillment needs and requirements as would any product.
>
> We haven't forgotten about you, it is just taking some time to put all the
> pieces together.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Jake
Thank you Jake. Knowing that it is under development does help.
While LD is working out production -Values?/ Costs?/ Quality control? , why
not clue in Lugnet community as to the limits. What type of images/designs
are permitable? I am in over my head here, but I am speaking about theme
logos, pictures of sets, drawings of sets... how far can we go ? what is
within bounds? and what is off limits? Or does LD have something else
altogether different in mind? Why not have development here go on
similtaneously with development at LD? Each working from different
beginnings to a successful joining in the middle.
I tend to fantasize across the board. [from the posts to this thread I can
see I am not alone :-) ] However if the community were given some
guidelines as to LD's thinking we could begin to reach a consensus and maybe
actually even be "helpful".
sheree
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Jake McKee writes:
> We haven't forgotten about you, it is just taking some time to put all the
> pieces together.
Wow, you have to BUILD the shirts too? (:
(My fiancee just saw the fine LEGO Watch Systems product and remarked "you
even have to build the watch?!?" Well, yeah, that's the point...)
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Jake McKee writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> > Just a bit short of 3 months since this announcement. Anything going on
> > here at Lugnet or Lego Direct regarding it?
>
>
> Sheree (et. al),
>
> We haven't forgotten about the idea at all. It is actually taking some time
> to come up with a solution that:
>
> 1. Yields the high level of quality you expect from LEGO and we expect from
> ourselves
>
> 2. Meets a reasonable price tag, not for us, but for your pocket book.
> Remember if our price is $20 per shirt, we would obviously have to price
> them at least that cost, which is obviously too much.
>
> 3. Meets the fulfillment needs and requirements as would any product.
>
> We haven't forgotten about you, it is just taking some time to put all the
> pieces together.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Jake
From what I gather then, Brad had this idea, called me at home about it, and
then, in person, asked Todd and me to go ahead and announce this good news to
the community (only wanting to pre-read our announcement, I believe) -- before
his even knowing how or if it could be done. (?)
I certainly never expected this 3-plus month long solution search. I doubt Brad
did either. But this incident tells me a lot.
-Suz
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Jake McKee writes:
>
> Sheree (et. al),
>
> We haven't forgotten about the idea at all. It is actually taking some time
> to come up with a solution that:
>
> 1. Yields the high level of quality you expect from LEGO and we expect from
> ourselves
Could you just contract out the shirts to whoever does them now? I mean the
t-shirts and polos in the catalog and at outlets. I think I am more interested
in having a say in the look of the shirts than how they are produced. As for
high quality, it would probably be best to use official LEGO logos and designs,
to avoid a 'bootleg' appearance. On a physical quality note, a choice of 100%
cotton and 50/50 poly/cotton would be excellent.
>
> 2. Meets a reasonable price tag, not for us, but for your pocket book.
> Remember if our price is $20 per shirt, we would obviously have to price
> them at least that cost, which is obviously too much.
I would pay $25 for t-shirts of the various castle torsos(1), as well as the
different space torsos(2). But I don't see why these shirts would be any more
expensive than the ones offered now. As Nathan suggested earlier in the thread,
it would be great if the shirts were offered in long sleeves as well, so we
could have full torso replicas. And as several people have noted, we come in
ALL sizes, S to XXXXL!
There are other good ideas for shirts (chronology of trains, LEGO slogans,
stud/brick designs), but I think the main emphasis should be on torsos. What
could be cooler than dressing up like your favorite minifig? Well, probably a
lot of things, but I'm a LEGO nerd, what do you want? Plus, they just look
good.
Another design suggestion would be to leave out a lot of words and captions and
stuff. Just the design is enough, along with a small square LEGO logo on the
sleeve or upper back, as suggested by Bram above.
>
> 3. Meets the fulfillment needs and requirements as would any product.
>
> We haven't forgotten about you, it is just taking some time to put all the
> pieces together.
We are begging you to let us buy stuff from you. What is the delay? The neato
t-shirts from Brickfest were put together in a month. If these shirts are done
well, I could see half of my wardrobe (which consists mainly of t-shirts)
coming from LEGO. Take our money, please!
-Marc
(1): Castle torsos I would buy:
-Black Falcon logo on blue w/black sleeves
-Wolfpack logo on all-brown
-Crusaders (lion rampant) logo on red w/blue sleeves
-Forestmen shirt w/blue collar $ sleeves (no belt! - this would look dumb!)
(2): Space torsos I would buy:
-Classic Space in blue and black
-Futuron in blue
-M-Tron logo on red w/white sleeves
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LD-
If the usage of LEGO marks (as in torso concepts suggested) is a problem, please
just say so. I'm sure the community would have more great ideas.
Someone had suggested (don't remember who) just the classic smiley. I'd love a
shirt with just that exact pair of eyes and mouth on a yellow tee. That seems
less legally intrusive to me.
Or what about the really, really old graphics. Like the vintage LEGO guy wearing
overalls?
In lugnet.lego.direct, Marc Nelson, Jr. writes:
> [...]
> There are other good ideas for shirts (chronology of trains, LEGO slogans,
> stud/brick designs), but I think the main emphasis should be on torsos. What
> could be cooler than dressing up like your favorite minifig? Well, probably a
> lot of things, but I'm a LEGO nerd, what do you want? Plus, they just look
> good.
>
> Another design suggestion would be to leave out a lot of words and captions and
> stuff. Just the design is enough, along with a small square LEGO logo on the
> sleeve or upper back, as suggested by Bram above.
> [...]
> (1): Castle torsos I would buy:
> -Black Falcon logo on blue w/black sleeves
> -Wolfpack logo on all-brown
> -Crusaders (lion rampant) logo on red w/blue sleeves
> -Forestmen shirt w/blue collar $ sleeves (no belt! - this would look dumb!)
>
> (2): Space torsos I would buy:
> -Classic Space in blue and black
> -Futuron in blue
> -M-Tron logo on red w/white sleeves
A Classic Space shirt would be great! so understated.
And I'd like that clever train line graphic on a blue tee :-)
-Suz
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Ahem, I have refrained from commenting on the T-shirt thread until now:-)
Actually, my business is designing and printing T-shirts, and so I would be
available to print lower runs (and bigger, for that matter) of certain designs
(with TLC's permission).
I have actually already printed some LEGO related tees already ("Leg Godt", "I read
LUGNET", Brickenrocker®, etc). Embroidery is also a possibility.
-John
"Suzanne D. Rich" wrote:
> LD-
>
> If the usage of LEGO marks (as in torso concepts suggested) is a problem, please
> just say so. I'm sure the community would have more great ideas.
>
> Someone had suggested (don't remember who) just the classic smiley. I'd love a
> shirt with just that exact pair of eyes and mouth on a yellow tee. That seems
> less legally intrusive to me.
>
> Or what about the really, really old graphics. Like the vintage LEGO guy wearing
> overalls?
>
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Marc Nelson, Jr. writes:
> > [...]
> > There are other good ideas for shirts (chronology of trains, LEGO slogans,
> > stud/brick designs), but I think the main emphasis should be on torsos. What
> > could be cooler than dressing up like your favorite minifig? Well, probably a
> > lot of things, but I'm a LEGO nerd, what do you want? Plus, they just look
> > good.
> >
> > Another design suggestion would be to leave out a lot of words and captions and
> > stuff. Just the design is enough, along with a small square LEGO logo on the
> > sleeve or upper back, as suggested by Bram above.
> > [...]
> > (1): Castle torsos I would buy:
> > -Black Falcon logo on blue w/black sleeves
> > -Wolfpack logo on all-brown
> > -Crusaders (lion rampant) logo on red w/blue sleeves
> > -Forestmen shirt w/blue collar $ sleeves (no belt! - this would look dumb!)
> >
> > (2): Space torsos I would buy:
> > -Classic Space in blue and black
> > -Futuron in blue
> > -M-Tron logo on red w/white sleeves
>
> A Classic Space shirt would be great! so understated.
>
> And I'd like that clever train line graphic on a blue tee :-)
>
> -Suz
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in article 3A8EF184.FD00A934@uswest.net, John Neal wrote:
> Ahem, I have refrained from commenting on the T-shirt thread until now:-)
> Actually, my business is designing and printing T-shirts, and so I would be
> available to print lower runs (and bigger, for that matter) of certain designs
> (with TLC's permission).
>
> I have actually already printed some LEGO related tees already ("Leg Godt", "I
> read LUGNET", Brickenrocker®, etc).
Wonder how long it will take the LEGO lawyers to call you. Only took them
two days to email me.
> Embroidery is also a possibility.
I'd love to have a black leather jacket with the Classic Space logo
embroidered on it.
~Grand Admiral Muffin Head
--
Mark's Lego(R) Creations
http://www.nwlink.com/~sandlin/lego
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Mark Sandlin wrote:
> in article 3A8EF184.FD00A934@uswest.net, John Neal wrote:
>
> > Ahem, I have refrained from commenting on the T-shirt thread until now:-)
> > Actually, my business is designing and printing T-shirts, and so I would be
> > available to print lower runs (and bigger, for that matter) of certain designs
> > (with TLC's permission).
> >
> > I have actually already printed some LEGO related tees already ("Leg Godt", "I
> > read LUGNET", Brickenrocker®, etc).
>
> Wonder how long it will take the LEGO lawyers to call you. Only took them
> two days to email me.
For what? Just to say "hi"?
-John
>
>
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In lugnet.lego.direct, John Neal writes:
>
>
> Mark Sandlin wrote:
> > Wonder how long it will take the LEGO lawyers to call you. Only took them
> > two days to email me.
>
> For what? Just to say "hi"?
It was a little more than that.
http://news.lugnet.com/announce/?n=808
eric
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Lorbaat at eric@nospam.thirteen.net wrote:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, John Neal writes:
> >
> >
> > Mark Sandlin wrote:
>
> > > Wonder how long it will take the LEGO lawyers to call you. Only took them
> > > two days to email me.
> >
> > For what? Just to say "hi"?
>
> It was a little more than that.
>
> http://news.lugnet.com/announce/?n=808
>
> eric
Yeah, what Eric said.
In a nutshell, I undertook a grass roots effort to make some T's with
Classic Space minifigs on them. LEGO contacted me and said "Quit it."
That's about it.
~Grand Admiral Muffin Head
--
Mark's Lego(R) Creations
http://www.nwlink.com/~sandlin/lego
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Lorbaat wrote:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, John Neal writes:
> >
> >
> > Mark Sandlin wrote:
>
> > > Wonder how long it will take the LEGO lawyers to call you. Only took them
> > > two days to email me.
> >
> > For what? Just to say "hi"?
>
> It was a little more than that.
>
> http://news.lugnet.com/announce/?n=808
Ah, well, you violated trade dress. What I have done is mostly in print: "Leg
Godt" on the front of a shirt, "Plays well with LEGO®", "Adult Fan Of LEGO®",
"My dad has more LEGO® than your dad" (kid's shirt). That kind of thing. I
have printed some Brickenrockerô shirts, but did obtain permission from the
president of the company first [1].
But even still, I think I did mention that even *if* I did print trademarked
images, I would of course obtain permission from TLC first:-)
-John
[1] There is some tongue-in-cheek going on with regard to Brickenrocker®, which
is the brainchild of Tommy McSpamcake:-) Who knows, maybe I'll be hearing from
the lawyers representing Rickenbacker®;-)
>
>
> eric
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Mark Sandlin <sandlin@nwlink.com> wrote:
> in article 3A8EF184.FD00A934@uswest.net, John Neal wrote:
>
> > Ahem, I have refrained from commenting on the T-shirt thread until now:-)
> > Actually, my business is designing and printing T-shirts, and so I would be
> > available to print lower runs (and bigger, for that matter) of certain designs
> > (with TLC's permission).
> >
> > I have actually already printed some LEGO related tees already ("Leg Godt", "I
> > read LUGNET", Brickenrocker®, etc).
>
> Wonder how long it will take the LEGO lawyers to call you. Only took them
> two days to email me.
>
> > Embroidery is also a possibility.
>
> I'd love to have a black leather jacket with the Classic Space logo
> embroidered on it.
...Oh man that would be great!!! I'm not much for leather jackets, but I'd get
one for the logo... (and get a spare so I can rip the back off and just hang the
logo on the wall :-)
---
wubwub
wubwub@wildlink.com
www.sitcatsit.com <-- a guy and his cat
www.wildlink.com <-- the wildlinks
< INSERT HUMOROUS TAGLINE HERE >
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There has been a long-standing demand for cool, especially iconic, lego
clothing, which TLG has unfortunately failed to provide us with (usually
sporting just the TLG logo, or Johnny Thunder shirts, etc.). So far as I've
seen, in biggest demand is clothing with the classic space lego symbol - the
moon (detailed, with craters), with the ship circling it.
I am a professional graphic designer, I regularly work in print and putting
graphics on clothing, and have solid experience producing graphics for these
efforts. I'm seeking to obtain a high-resolution scan of the
full-size/fully-detailed classic space logo, and potentially other logos, for
conversion into EPS format for print on clothing.
Using the scan, I would like to produce:
- a 4-colour (CMYK) EPS version of the logo, and
- a 5-colour (CMYK + an additional print layer, such as the gold in the
space logo) EPS version
These would be for the benefit of the Lego community. If you guys are
serious about getting this type of Lego clothing, I can get you the
graphics, if someone is willing to help.
-Cid
comradecid@hotmail.com
(Want to take this discussion off-line?)
In lugnet.lego.direct, Mark Sandlin writes:
> in article 3A8EF184.FD00A934@uswest.net, John Neal wrote:
>
> > Ahem, I have refrained from commenting on the T-shirt thread until now:-)
> > Actually, my business is designing and printing T-shirts, and so I would be
> > available to print lower runs (and bigger, for that matter) of certain designs
> > (with TLC's permission).
> >
> > I have actually already printed some LEGO related tees already ("Leg Godt", "I
> > read LUGNET", Brickenrocker®, etc).
>
> Wonder how long it will take the LEGO lawyers to call you. Only took them
> two days to email me.
>
> > Embroidery is also a possibility.
>
> I'd love to have a black leather jacket with the Classic Space logo
> embroidered on it.
>
> ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head
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"John Neal" <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:3A8EF184.FD00A934@uswest.net...
> Ahem, I have refrained from commenting on the T-shirt thread until now:-)
> Actually, my business is designing and printing T-shirts, and so I would • be
> available to print lower runs (and bigger, for that matter) of certain • designs
> (with TLC's permission).
>
> I have actually already printed some LEGO related tees already ("Leg • Godt", "I read
> LUGNET", Brickenrocker®, etc). Embroidery is also a possibility.
>
> -John
At least ONE person on Lugnet didn't know that John!
Do you have any left??
-Kieran Brady
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Suzanne D. Rich writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> >
> > Just a bit short of 3 months since this announcement. Anything going on
> > here at Lugnet or Lego Direct regarding it?
> >
> > sheree
>
> I've been wondering about this for a month now. LD's idea was such a kind
> gesture, it's really not my place to push it.
>
> I can say, I am personally saddened to see LD drop interest in their idea. >They
> had sounded so excited about it when we met in NYC.
>
> It seems there are a great many unanswered questions. If you need to, I'd
> suggest putting a few rough sketches on a web page to point to from a post. >For
> instance, ask, "would something like this [link] be what you're talking about?
> what about the legality of this [link]?" "who would render the art?" etc.
>
> I would seriously like to see the whole community come together on this. Read
> through all the posts in this thread, take notes of the different ideas
> (discussing them in another area. maybe, publish?), put them into a list,
> consider any additions, and only then: return to lugnet.lego.direct with an
> inquiry and a direct proposal to Brad.
>
> As Todd said, this isn't his and my project, it's LD's and yours. And I'm not
> really up to rallying folks -- I have too many projects already. :-)
>
> But I do look forward to seeing the clever, community-designed products that
> will surely result! It's really a great opportunity.
>
> -Suz
Thank you for your response Todd and Suz. Nice to know someone's out there
listening. It was not my intention to put you two on the spot. My
question was more to Lego Direct and the general membership. The
opportunity was given to all of us? (albeit INdirectly...) Goodness knows
you two have your hands full just providing/keeping the proverbial roof over
our heads at LUGNET, 'specially with the ever increasing number of users and
wealth of info in the databases which requires constant updating. [plus the
wedding !!!]
I was hoping things were going on behind the scenes. So many have been
invovled in working with Lego Direct recently that I thought this might have
been mentioned or discussed too. It would be nice if LD gave a clue as to
how they wanted this structured, how and to whom to submit... ideas or
finished graphics, what the realistic possibilities are... I feel we have
too little information from them to go anywhere on our own. IMHO they
should be talking to the entire membership directly. The annoucement came
from you two. They need to talk to all of us- not make ya'll be in the
middle. You have more than enough just with Lugnet and having a life to
take this on too.
For the record, I am not interested in spearheading this. I have neither
the skills nor the time at this point. I am busy just trying to keep my
head above the water...
sheree
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"sheree rosenkrantz" <srosez@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:G8tCMC.3MI@lugnet.com...
> I was hoping things were going on behind the scenes. So many have been
> invovled in working with Lego Direct recently that I thought this might have
> been mentioned or discussed too. It would be nice if LD gave a clue as to
> how they wanted this structured, how and to whom to submit... ideas or
> finished graphics, what the realistic possibilities are... I feel we have
> too little information from them to go anywhere on our own.
This past weekend I didn't hear anything about the T-shirts, in fact, I had
forgotten about it myself. Yesterday I did email Brad though about doing some
limited edition posters of renderings done in LDraw, I think that would be nice.
I'll see if he has anything to say about it.
> IMHO they
> should be talking to the entire membership directly. The annoucement came
> from you two. They need to talk to all of us- not make ya'll be in the
> middle. You have more than enough just with Lugnet and having a life to
> take this on too.
Yes, I agree.
I know they're really busy at the office too, no clue when it'll let up for
them.
-Tim
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