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(...) C-3PO is the better of the two, but they're both pretty bad. I think the problem here is both sets were guys in suits, as opposed to last year's technic droids which were all cgi constructs. Plus, half the appeal of last year's droids was that (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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This isn't meant to be directed at anyone in particular, but given the currently available range of LEGO pieces that have been seen in Technic sets lately, could anyone out there have done better? TLG's designers did a reasonably good job, given (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) Ahh but TLG's designers Arn't limited to the "currently available range of LEGO pieces". They can design new parts if needed. I think the main problem is the head and all that would have required is some sort of molded mask that looked like a (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) I hardly think so. The alternative would be to have new molds for the specific parts like the Stormtrooper helmet or hands or feet or... Do we want that? (I don't.) Another alternative would be to have large stickers or printed parts to make (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) I don't understand this. You said that you liked the minifig Stormtrooper, which is basically a new mold and some new printed parts (I suppose). And you would also like a the larger Technic Stormtrooper to have new molds to make it look more (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) It doesn't matter if anyone out here could or couldn't do better. If LEGO couldn't do any better, they should have scrapped the model at the planning stage. It's an embarrassingly transparent attempt to slap something together, throw a Star (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) No I am just suggesting a helmet. They did the head for R2-D2 in the Droid Developers kit... I am not suggesting a bunch of new parts, just one or two so the head looks right. As for would it still be LEGO? of course it would because LEGO (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) Well seeing they are in the middle of filming EP2 I would bet the resources devoted to this sort of things arn't quite what they were. Eric Kingsley (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) But the head of the R2-D2 is basically a quarter sphere, isn't it? Even with some printing on it, it is more generally useful than a Stormtrooper helmet would be. (...) I think it is a daring move from TLC to launch a set like this, which (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) I'd be amazed if the toy-marketing-spin-off department of Lucasfilm had anything to do with the production process of EP2; Approving (or not) this kind of toy is presumably exactly what they're paid to do. ---...--- Mark Cogan (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) Judging by the volumes of Lucas-licensed plastic detritus (Jar-Jar pez dispenser, anyone?) that have been licensed, I'm not suprised that Lucas has allowed the Lego Cylon Soldier (I can't bring myself to acknowlege that it's supposed to be a (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) Granted, but... (...) I'm not so sure that this is altogether Lego's philosophy now-adays; judging by all the POOPS (even in the SW sets to an unsettling degree), Lego's doesn't seem to have a lot of confidence in using the creative building (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) Hey, maybe Threepio will unfold and stand up at the push of a button. ;-) (...) Threepio should have a target on his chest. --Todd (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) And his head should pop off if you hit it. [BTW: Anyone else think the Technic C3PO looks like a monkey?] (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) I can't speak for Eric and I'm sure he'll answer anyway, but my $.02 is that I agree that probably no one could have done any better with current parts. But I also feel that just because that's true (assuming it is) doesn't mean that the set (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) I couldn't agree more!!! (...) Does Lucasfilm Licensing listen to complaints from fans? Maybe if enough people write and complain, they'll crack down on LEGO for making crap like this and it won't happen in 2002. (Well, I can dream, can't I?) (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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Look out, Yoda is next. (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Maybe they'll do a LEGO MindStorms motorized talking Yoda head! "Mmmmm, hep hep, hep hep. Luminous beings are we. Do, or do not. There is no try. Away put your weapon--I mean you no harm! Always buy more LEGO you must!" Master Yoda, you look (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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heh heh... Who'll be the first to build Yoda out of the Statue of Liberty? Mindstorms Yoda: if there's a Droid Developer Kit and a Dark Side Developer Kit, what will they call this one? (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Did someone just turn up the "fun" knob? Imagine somewhere is a set designer, and a mischievous intern informs him of all the ways his model has been mocked... (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Lego could've made some smaller quarter spheres, in two different sizes with printing for the eyes and mouth, and laid those over the front of the Stormtrooper head... that would have given it a more "realistic look" while keeping the parts (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) Actually this is one thread I really hope LEGO and the designer(s) involved do read, or at least catch wind of. Although LEGO will never admit to a screw-up like this one they can at least file it away and say internally "you know those LUGNET (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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Something that nobody seems to have brought up yet, what is the idea of having two different kneecaps? Martin (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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Never mind, just took a look at the real thing and see that they are the same, strange! Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Scragg" <mnm@bigpond.net.au> To: <lugnet.starwars@lugnet.com>; <lugnet.technic@lugnet.com>; (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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Given the great differences in set quality across the entire line of Star Wars Lego models, I don't see why there is such a big discussion over this particular set. Are we suggesting that the Technic stormtrooper is the only Star Wars set available (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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Jedi Developer Kit "Erik Olson" <olsone@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:G32HB2.EJ@lugnet.com... (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) "As a Jedi Apprentice, build the model L3G0 Skywalker. Move up to Jedi Knight level and tackle Obi-Wan Kenobi. Then, as a true Jedi Master, try building Yoda..." T. --> thomas weigle | w.i.m.p. web: (URL) .iMMersE your soUL in LOVE. (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Because some of us think it is by far the most disappointing one of the lot? And moreover, I know at least a few of us think it's a thrown-together pile of nonsense, expected to sell because it's branded with the Star Wars name- and as Star (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) In lugnet.starwars, Greg Majewski writes: (...) As a representative of LEGO, I hope you understand that I must refrain from responding to the subjective comments (to which you are certainly entitled) in this string, but I will answer to the (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Kiernan, Cool! Thanks for letting us know you are out there. I completely understand you not being about to comment on the rest of the thread but I am glad you are reading it and I hope you know where some of us are coming from. LEGO and Star (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Cool function! I'm starting to like #8007 more and more. What I don't like too much, though, are the elements which are "stickered". Or perhaps the patterns are printed directly on the elements? I hope you're not flooded with mail after you (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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Heheh... pretty cool. Now all we need is for someone to build a Chewbacca with a sling on his back to carry C-3PO around while he complains incessantly. :-) -Andy Lynch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiernan Mathews" (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Cool. So I guess my suspicion that the Stormtrooper and C-3PO sets are meant to go together was accurate... after all, it was (off-screen) Stormtroopers that blew Threepio to bits on Cloud City... (...) I'm sure that we'll continue discussing. (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) I hear your comments on this, but honestly I don't understand your view. How is the Stormtrooper so much worse than the other Star Wars models? I mean, they are all just approximations of the real things, and even the UCS sets have flaws, or (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) Well let me try and explain my point of view better with some examples. I look at set 7191 you don't have to tell me that its an X-Wing. The same goes for basically all the System Star Wars sets and even all the Technic Star Wars sets except (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) It may be a nifty set, I don't know, but...it is not a reasonable representation of a Stormtrooper, IMO. I'm not much of a Technic fan anylonger, but had the Stormtrooper set had the quality , elegance, and reasonable accuracy of the Battle (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) I can't answer for Todd, but I'll try and explain why I feel the Stormtrooper is not a good set. (...) It's not the building technique I have a problem with. I think that the Pit Droid, the Droideka, the Battle Droid, and even C-3PO *look* (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) Ah, so you're saying that the Pit Droid looks like a Pit Droid because virtually no other "gizmo" has the same looks? But the Stormtrooper, on the other hand, is basically a humanoid shape with a specific set of armour plates. Hence, as this (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) I don't know, but I'll put my $0.02 down on Tom Stangl to be the first one to buy multiple C-3PO's and build a Gold Champion car (those hubs are a problem though). (...) Kit, (...) 'Swamp Muppet Discovery Kit?' best Lindsay (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) No thats not it. I agree with you that it is a harder form to accurately depict without creating new parts but if they could accurately depict a Stormtrooper or other character then I would be all for it. LEGO should not have avoided the (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) That sounds like a good plan to me, (...) To me, LEGO is about the imagination to create new things (or to find ways to represent things), not about the imagination to see pictures in the clouds. (...) Not really. I know an entire household (6 (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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In lugnet.starwars, Fredrik Glöckner writes: Sorry to interrupt here; Just a couple of observations/questions... (...) Reliable accuracy is indeed needed for both. Lego did very well with the Pit Droid, and I have all confidence that Lego could do (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) This is probably a major point where we disagree. While I'm no fan of Star Wars, I have seen the movies (and I have seen "Troops" :-) and as I have said before, I think the head of the LEGO Stormtrooper actually looks like a Stormtrooper. The (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) The other SW models look like SW ships and things. The Stormtrooper doesn't look like something from the SW universe. If you're told, "Hey, this is a Stormtrooper," you could say, "Ah, yes, OK, that looks like a Stormtrooper," but it doesn't (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) I think, given the information from the Keiran (sp?) the Lego Direct Producer, the inclusion of the rubber projectile makes sense... when you have both sets, you can make the Stormtrooper shoot C-3PO and fly apart. Of course, this moves LEGO (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) Ahh, yes! That's how I feel too. My additional fear is that I wonder if they're planning some Saturday morning cartoon commercial where they show the Stormtrooper blasting poor Threepio to bits. Violence aside, there are two problems with (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) It is pretty obvious to me that most real life shapes cannot be accurately modeled in LEGO bricks. To be able to enjoy LEGO building, one must have the imagination to recognize complex but common shapes (e.g. vehicles or characters) in the (...) (24 years ago, 28-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) <snip> (...) I am not sure exactly how Eric J. meant what he said to be taken but I read it as such... "not about the imagination to see something that isn't there" I think to at least a few of us we don't see a Stormtrooper. I know you see a (...) (24 years ago, 28-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) This is one of the greatest things about the variety of elements LEGO produces, IMHO -- there aren't (obviously) an infinite variety of LEGO shapes, but they've thought things through carefully enough to make a very decent variety that can (...) (24 years ago, 28-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) No he's not. Ep1 C-3PO was bare circuits. And even though the beams and stuff on the set are black, you can clearly see the gold paneling. (24 years ago, 28-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) True, true (like in the Wassup ad) There are several problems that now plagues the Technic Sets (yes I am a fan and yes I will own those two). First: where are the studs? This is how a Lego brick is recognized worldwide. Bring back the studded (...) (24 years ago, 29-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) Vanishing from technic since at least 1996. It's okay, in my mind, as long as it all remains compatible. Duplo -> System -> Technic. (And -> Znap, but that's not exactly the same progression.) (...) So are the black connecter pegs technic? Or, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) No, it is an Ep4-6 model. He has modeled as he having the cowlings, even with a silver cowling instead of golden on one of his legs. I thought that Todd was a "detail" man..:-) Selçuk (24 years ago, 30-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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In lugnet.starwars, Eric Kingsley writes: <snip> (...) look at it the more it looks like a Stormtrooper. I think we should reserve judgement on these new sets until we can hold them in our hands and play with them... All we've got is a 2D (...) (24 years ago, 30-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) All right, I stand corrected. I looked at the rickety hollow body and didn't look at the legs. --Todd (24 years ago, 30-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) First, Lego and Star Wars names on the same box had been a 20 year dream for me, which finally became true, so I will say a very strong NO to this one..:-) Besides, I don't agree that Lego is producing bad quality sets in Star Wars line. Lego (...) (24 years ago, 31-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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"Selçuk Göre" <ssgore@superonline.com> wrote in message news:39FE7102.EA9612...ine.com... [snip] (...) IMHO, the Technic line is for building things out of Technic pieces -- nothing less, nothing more. (24 years ago, 31-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) But this points out why the 2000 Technic droid sets 'worked': the EP1 droids were all skeletal and exposed mechanisms. Very TECHNIC-ish. The TECHNIC models were not accurate, strictly speaking. The bits were in the wrong places, the way they (...) (24 years ago, 31-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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(...) When I rechecked all the sets introduced under the name of "technic" (it has some clues in it isn't it?..:-) during the whole 22 years, I saw that I can't agree you. The whole idea behind the Lego is "building things out of pieces -- nothing (...) (24 years ago, 1-Nov-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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