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(...) After they've been brainwashed since they first could understand words, you mean, by being forced to attend church up til then? We chose not to do that to our children. They can decide for themselves once they're old enough but for now we are (...) (22 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More on this topic... a class action suit is in the works in DC (URL) the following is first in a series on these noxious devices (from last year): (URL) (22 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course kids need an education or society would be generally uncultured, but I really don't think someone...oh say, ten years in age, should possess the legal right to deny to go to church, or for that fact, any legitimate social situation. (...) (22 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Francis Fukayama argues that now is the time to close our Saudi bases: (URL) thesis includes the notion that doing so now would not be perceived as a retreat, unlike if we wait a while, when there will be more unrest. Coupled with the currently (...) (22 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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First off, I'm joining in here because I agree with part of Terry's opinion. I'm not speaking for him, I just hate it when this kinda thing happens. I don't know him and am speaking only in regards to this particular topic. Now then... (...) I think (...) (22 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wait a moment here...with the logic you're advocating you claim: Parents shouldn't drag their children into situations they may not be competent to decide for themselves. With such logic, you can also bring this argument to say that kids (...) (22 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was, in fact asking this question because I don't approve of children being dragged to church by their parents. Religion (or absemce of) should be a decision that we make alone, without the parental influence. We all know that people believe (...) (22 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just something I happened to stumble across... a part of TrainWeb I hadn't seen before. That site is an amazing resource for train related stuff. GM's campaign (or conspiracy if you like) against mass transit: (URL) specifically (URL) trolleys are (...) (22 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and non-existent to the radical Christians, which there seem to be more and more of every day. Go ahead, try to sweep your own people under the rug, but you can't deny there are quite a number of absolute NUTCASES that swing some decent (...) (22 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think I like where Dave! is going with this stuff -- and again, this liberal stance doesn't respect parties: w oppose corruption, cronyism, and stupidity in matters domestic and foreign irrespective of which party is involved. Right now, we are (...) (22 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course, you judge your own values better to others. Muslims would also have great arguments to debate with you, I suppose. That's not the point. We can't kill others. It's a human right to be alive, to have our life preserved and protected. (...) (22 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Should it react at all? Are we in trouble? If so, exactly what kind of trouble? (...) Read some paragraphs above: you stated *clearly* that you were referring to Arabs, as you supposed that the author was too. (...) Of course not. You won't (...) (22 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right there, I can tell you exactly why you are mistaking. Oussama Bin Laden attacked USA because of USA's foreign affairs. Your country gets involved in almost every political tension in the world, even when USA has nothing to do with it and (...) (22 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Careful--in principle, God's nonexistence can be proven simply by demonstrating a logical contradiction in his essential nature. Of course, the faithful are generally willing to accept any number of logical contradictions in order to preserve (...) (22 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol Absolutely nothing-- it's not really my problem! I just found the statistics interesting and am just wondering how *Europe* will react. (...) Again, I don't want to speak about *Arabs*, unless we are talking about those Arabs who are (...) (22 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Really, you are the biggest bore. I have never suggested conspiracy -- ever! I have suggested favors in exchange for favors, which you seem ready to admit as a fact of political life. So wonderful, we agree. I hope you don't mind my pointing out who (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So doesn't that make your own distinction between "Muslim" and "Arab" a bit shakier? You claimed to be referring to Muslims, and that Arab was a race-related term. (...) (and exactly what do you propose to do about it???) Don't you think it's (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What you are asking for is akin to me asking you to prove that God doesn't exist. The facts that you are providing are not causal, but more like coincidental, and certainly not evidence of conspiratorial. Bechtel got some contracts. Fine. And (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To answer your question above, I was referring, as I believe the author of the article was as well, to Arab immigration and their direct descendants post WWII. When I said "dominated", I meant in the context of numbers. The Muslim population (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) About 20% strong. The number comes from the percentage Mr. Le Pen had in the last presidential election. (...) (To John: a significant number of Muslims has lived in Europe for centuries, notably in the Balkans. They are not Arabs, and they (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps, but you have yet to counter many of my claims with anything like a fact or anything like authority. Like I said, I need more than lame right-wing excuses or justifications out of some moldy old book. Show me with the use of facts how (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You seem to be saying we can't judge other cultures. Can we judge people? Can we judge groups of people? How many people have to follow the same idea before we can't judge it? I would point out that many wrongdoers in the world believe that (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: I promised in a earlier post I wouldn't call you names again, so I won't tell you what I think of you, but yes, by all mean, shut up. You attacks against some cultures here are most unwelcome. Terry (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks Richard! You just stole me my title! ;-) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Most like USA's death penalty. Who are we to decide what is right or wrong? This is called a cultural clash. In the Muslim culture, Adultery may be one of the worst thing a person can do in his/her life. If so, it would be logical for this (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if the belief system itself is flawed? As I understand it, to be a good muslim, one has to follow sharia (religious law). Sharia is used as civil law in many countries and in many others, it's being pushed as something that SHOULD be used (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm seeing that the term "Enlightenment" was probably too loaded a word for the idea I wished to convey. What I meant by it was an intellectual passing into the 20th Century. By most accounts I have read, it is generally agreed that Islam is (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, say we compared it to the percentage of extremist Christians for example. I don't know what that number is, but judging from reported Christian terrorist attacks I'd say that it is pretty low. Even if the percentage of extremist Muslims (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) France has long had a difficult relationship with Arab countries due to its colonialism in North Africa (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia come to mind). That reverse migration has happened only seems appropriate: the link worked both ways. There has (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It might be useful to have a clear, legitimate tally of extremists relative to the whole sample population. We can't use the US media or Arab-state-run media, since both of these sources are tainted. There are over a billion Muslims in the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank you. But really, I haven't a problem with Islam per se. There are many peaceful Muslims. What I *do* have a problem with are extremist Muslims who tend to comprise a shockingly high percentage of the Muslim population, and the seemingly (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All right. Why don't we use the term "bigot" then? (...) If you're going to use the term "enlightenment" as litmus test to determine whether a group is worthy of respect, then you need to throw out groups that work to foster pseudoscience in (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, I thought that they were silently disagreeing with me. But so what if they do? You don't seem to care about what others think of your views. Are you suggesting that I keep quiet because the majority happen to think differently than I do? (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, let's put away the racist card already. Islam is a *religion*. Followers of Islam are *Muslims*. "Arab" is a race term, not "Muslim", okay? (...) Sorry I wasn't clear in my meaning: "Enlightenment" A philosophical movement of the 18th (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pot, kettle. You are probably the most uncivil individual in this NG. JOHN (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah! There it is! The proven fact that you are a racist. What? You think your religion is enlightened? Can you tell us which religions have passed the JohnNeal test of Enlightenment? Please, show the world the greatness of your prejudices! (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Reasons for War: Let Me Count the $680m USD
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(...) And it looks like British Parliament agrees with me... ---...--- "Prove Iraqi guilt, MPs tell Blair" (URL) by the turn of the year there is no WMD then the basis on which this was executed was illegal," he said. MPs are also starting to ask (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who are you to tell me this? I'm only telling one stupid person that posts racist and hateful stuff here on Lugnet that what he posts is stupid. If you endore his attitude, if you endorse what he says, it should be you who should be warned (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, the bitterness didn't escape me. And I never claimed to ascribe to his view-- I just, as I said in my one word review, found it "interesting". How many feel the same as he? Is it a growing sentiment? I have no idea. I frankly didn't even (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In countless ways you have lost this right, Lar. You rarely listen to anything anyone else may have to say about anything. And that fact has been amply shown in this forum. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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