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Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —John Neal

Okay, Joe (and Dan)- Although I can't speak for TLC, I bet I have a good idea as to what they would say to your collective concerns, and rather than let a brush fire blaze out of control here, let me point out a few things which hopefully will help (...) (23 years ago, 9-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Victor Knight

In lugnet.lego.direct, John Neal writes: . (...) What are you talking about? This argument just doesn't hold water. Video games and cable tv were around and popular 20 years ago (especially video games). Not to mention the fact that lego's greatest (...) (23 years ago, 9-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Jonathan Dallas

(...) Video games were popular during the 80s, but not to the level they are now. Todays video games are more realistic are more exciting than they were in the 80s. More people own PCs today which means more computer games. It also means that when (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Victor Knight

(...) Video games were as popular or more popular in the late 70s - early 90s as they are now. The only difference that amounts to anything is that computer games can do alot more now (the kinds of computer games that appeal to the same market (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Tim Courtney

(...) While I agree to an extent - I'll semi-defend LEGO here. AFOLs don't have all the facts in front of them (as an employee or two have pointed out to me a couple times when I've mentioned price). There are factors like cost of the plastic (tied (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Joel Dobbins

(...) I have to totally agree with this.. my mom mistook megablocks for LEGO and bought me a Desert Patrol from a yard sale sort of thing. It wasn't the same as LEGO but I could see how anyone who wasn't a true LEGO fan and just liked playing with (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Mike Petrucelli

(...) As I am an assistant Manager at a KB toys I can confirm that this happens alot. Most (roughly 75%) of the people that come into the store do not realize that the Mega Blocks sets are not Lego brand. One woman today actually asked me if the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Erik Olson

(...) My favorite Adult line heard in a store is "Where's the castle stuff, you know, the kind that came with the princesses." This was said to me in TRU during the Fright Knights era. Come to think of it, I never had any sets with princesses at any (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Adam Murtha

It seems every time this subject comes up, lots of people have stories and opinions on how Lego should run things, and I'm no different. :) I was in a store the other day and I overheard a boy who was about 4 asking his mom for the Lego NASCAR (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Selçuk Göre

(...) It's sad but I must agree this. TRUs here in Turkey stopped selling Lego. The shelves previously occupied by Lego sets are full of Megablocks sets now. And by looking at the models (the big yellow race car, aircraft carrier, battle cruiser, (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Jonathan Dallas

(...) Bionicle has some interesting features to it that could make it popular with a different crowd. I won't say anything against it till it has had a chance. (...) Shell is selling gas station sets that have car doors. I've bought enough now that (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Victor Knight

(...) Umm, yeah, they're trying to do the pokemon/Magic:the Gathering formula. (...) Adults can;t have fun with architecture or castle or Pirates? (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Dave Johann

(...) Yes, and they had the right idea, but by not producing rare/one of a kind masks only available in the mask packs, they will fail miserably. After collecting the '72 masks available' then what? I haven't seen or heard of a pack yet that had an (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Jordan C. Lund

in article GHu78I.70u@lugnet.com, Dave Johann at hardcoredj@techie.com wrote on 8/9/01 10:29 PM: (...) I dunno, I think all the multi-colored masks are pretty cheezy. I agree that there should have been greater variety and more unique masks in the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Dave Johann

(...) Alright then, here's a bigger question. Do you consider the masks to be collectible items from Lego or do you think of them as 12 more building parts in semi random colors. I think of them in the second way. After all, if it can't be used in a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Jordan C. Lund

in article GHw6zL.5qK@lugnet.com, Dave Johann at hardcoredj@techie.com wrote on 8/11/01 12:18 AM: (...) They are building parts, but they don't appear to be particularly useful building parts. Really all they are (from a building perspective) are (...) (23 years ago, 11-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Dave Johann

(...) Ah, but they can be used for SOOOO much more than that. Cool looking caps are just the beginning. This function does vary from mask to mask, though. (...) I've got no argument there. I had been hoping for this when I saw the first Bionicle (...) (23 years ago, 12-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.technic.bionicle)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Paul Gyugyi

(...) Bionicle (and the whole Throwbot/Roborider/Droid theme) is revitalizing Technic in the same way that 1979 space revitalized town. I remember getting a few space sets, and I kept them in a separate box from my police station and windmill. They (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Frank Filz

(...) From what I see, Bionicle is doing great. Whoever is buying it (kids who would never have otherwise played with LEGO, or kids already captivated by LEGO, but looking for something more than building yet another fire station), it has a positive (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Lawrence Wilkes

"Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:3B73DCD2.1372@m...ing.com... (...) I just can't agree with this. They are NOT buying Lego (in the sense that AFOL would mean), they are buying a plastic mecha toy. I cannot see how them (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Joe Franco

I cant believe what Lego is doing to their toy line. First, they kill the town and city themes, second, they juniorized their sets to the point where a truck or car has only 10 pieces, then they introduce Jack Stone, without keeping another town or (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Benjamin Medinets

(...) I have to agree with you with this... I would like to see a return of town, but not a return of police, fire or emergency sets....I have 95 % of the police and fire sets (including 2 flame fighters, and about to have 2 6389's.) I read some of (...) (23 years ago, 11-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Dan Simonson

(...) A factory is something I'd really like to see. I wonder what it should produce :-) (23 years ago, 14-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Joe Franco

(...) How about a Lego Factory? that would work great as a train set. *Unjuniorized* that is. It can have train tracks with an overhead crane, a flatbed train car, an 18 wheeler,-all just like the 4555, and a building with an office and work area. (...) (23 years ago, 14-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Tony Priestman

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Lawrence Wilkes (<GHutoI.2yx@lugnet.com>) wrote at 13:37:06 (...) I agree with Lawrence here. But perhaps that's just where the market is. After all, TLG doesn't make wooden toys any more, either. (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Cary Clark

Not quite true. I bought a very nice set of new LEGO wooden blocks in Billund last week. They come in a wooden box as well. Cary "Tony Priestman" <Tony@you-rang.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:eDgyuOAnGDd7EwO...n.co.uk... On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, (...) (23 years ago, 11-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Jonathan Dallas

(...) Dinosaurs and bricks? I don't remember bricks in the dinosaur sets. Maybe I missed a set, but the ones I've seen have a dino body, two sets of legs, a tail, and a head. None of these are what I would term bricks. Just me being picky. ; ) The (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Frank Filz

(...) I should have been more clear and highlighted the small dinosaur sets. Of course the big dinos do have two 2x2 medium slopes in them... :-) (...) I think we will see more building of animals from bricks. I also won't be surprised to see a few (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) My son, who was building Red Beard Runners at 6 or 7, likes the Bionicles. Not really much as a building experience, but they seem to capture his imagination. He really enjoyed putting together the Guarded Inn and thought it an excellent set, (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Allan Bedford

(...) Frank.... you must have gotten a different catalog than I did. I'm looking at the dinosaurs now and what I see are dinosaurs made out of LEGO pieces that are shaped to look like dinosaur parts. Not really LEGO "bricks" as such, but rather (...) (23 years ago, 23-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Jonathan Dallas

(...) It wasn't in the catalog, but if you check online, you will find a few small dinosaurs made from bricks. One has some nice parts to it too. (...) This encourages creativity? How? That was the original question. Jonathan D. (23 years ago, 23-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Allan Bedford

(...) Sure enough they aren't. Which is why I got confused. My apologies. :) I think any brick that isn't overly-specialized is a nice brick. As I've said before and I will say again: LEGO = bricks (...) Why did the put the "less-LEGO-like" ones in (...) (23 years ago, 23-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Nathan McDowell

(...) What Frank is talking about are the smaller Dinosaurs sets- (URL) mostly have bricks with a few dino specific pieces thrown in (like the neck, head and tail). Hope that helps, ~Nathan (23 years ago, 23-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Enrique Durand

(...) I think Frank is referring to sets 7000-7003, the "young" dinosaur series. Other than the heads and tails, the bulk of the body is made up of bricks, mostly slope pieces. Henry (23 years ago, 23-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Allan Bedford

(...) Ah... my mistake and my apologies. I made the assumption that because this thread started with a comment on the recent Shop At Home catalog that the dinosaurs were the ones in that book. (1371, 6719, 6720, 6721, 6722). I agree, the 7000-7003 (...) (23 years ago, 23-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Enrique Durand

(...) I don't think that is the case. If anything, they may be too new to be in the catalog. I just started seeing them in stores a short while ago, and most stores near me still carry the whole line. Henry (23 years ago, 23-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Allan Bedford

This reply will probably sound much more snotty than I intend it to, so my most humble apologies in advance. I mean this as a serious commentary. (...) If they are new then, shouldn't they *definitely* be in the catalog? Isn't that the whole reason (...) (23 years ago, 23-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Enrique Durand

(...) No need to apologize, you make a good point. (...) My guess, and it is only that, is that since the catalog only comes out a limited number of times during the year, there are many products that are released "in between" catalog printings. (...) (23 years ago, 23-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Steve Bliss

(...) They could put the new-new stuff in the catalog, with blurbs like "Available September 1st!". Seems like they do that already, sometimes. But Maybe I've misremembering... Steve (23 years ago, 23-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —James Simpson

(...) I want to cry every time I see kids in the Lego aisle oohing and ahhing over the Megabloks. On well more than one occasion I've seen kids in the store ignore Lego the way I ignore Megabloks because they recognize that though Megabloks may be (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Rich Manzo

(...) How do think TLC can do this? Make a Castle Kingdom for $50.00? Impossible. Kids buy lego because of its ability to create, and parents buy Lego because of its educational value. Lego was always an expensive toy, not just now. So if the price (...) (23 years ago, 11-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Victor Knight

(...) I never said otherwise. (...) Sets got worse in the last three years and other tehcnology improved. (...) Why would I look for them? So, if Bionicle is (...) Well for 1, fads never last.. (23 years ago, 12-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Richard Marchetti

(...) Gee, I am no math wiz, but here goes: #3450 Statue of Liberty 2800 pcs. @ $199 USD = $0.07 USD an element #3451 Sopwith Camel 577 pcs. @ $49.99 USD = $0.09 USD an element #3724 Lego Dragon 1530 pcs. @ $99 USD = $0.06 USD an element #7127 (...) (23 years ago, 12-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) No you're not... You're just one of our favorites. Nice mathwork there, by the way, thanks for sharing! (23 years ago, 12-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Steve Burge

(...) more (...) The thing is that 6091 is 524 BIG JUNIORISED pieces (OK not all of them, but quite a few - grrr..), I assume bigger pieces cost lego more to produce (printed pieces probably do as well)... Which is why they should bring castle sets (...) (23 years ago, 13-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Dan Simonson

(...) That sounds like an idea for a castle starter package, which I would be interested in (being that I have no castle sets, and some would be nice) (23 years ago, 14-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Santosh Bhat

(...) I think that Lego have got themselves into a viscious circle. For some reason they realeased Juniorised sets, these sets didn't sell as well as they hoped. So to make up for losses they've diluted their product range and created these sets (...) (23 years ago, 12-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Dan Simonson

(...) YEs, the big difference between computer games and Lego is that Lego you can see and touch. It also tends to be more versitile because with Lego you can do anything and Sim City you can do only almost anything. (23 years ago, 14-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Dan Simonson

(...) That would have been nice... Dan (23 years ago, 13-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Lawrence Wilkes

"John Neal" <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message news:3B730E52.5BDDA2...est.net... (...) to blame as well. (...) But isnt that the point of the original message? How do you get creative and build MOCs with Juniorized parts. You would have to be (...) (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Austin Greenwood

In lugnet.lego.direct, John Neal said: (...) RIGHT ON!!! I totaly agree with you, John. (23 years ago, 10-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Allan Bedford

(...) I can't speak for Joe, or Dan, or John, or the LEGO company... I can only speak for me. So here goes: (...) I've said it before and I'll say it again. If there isn't the quality of product being presented to these young kids that they (...) (23 years ago, 11-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —John Neal

(...) And they have-- in droves. Themes like Bionicle are attempts to win them back. Guess what? I have not the *slightest* interest in Bionicle, but I'm not going to rail on it. And why should I? It's not intended for me. (...) Hence Bionicle. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Allan Bedford

(...) O.K. I think we agree here. You're saying the kids are going elsewhere in droves. You're saying Bionicle doesn't interest you. Is there a chance then that it doesn't interest the kids as well? This is what I'm saying... that LEGO's product (...) (23 years ago, 11-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Victor Knight

(...) Not true. I don't like Star Wars, and none of the sculptures are of any use to me. What can i do with a giant minifig or dragon or sopwith camel? Maybe if the dragon was menacing I could pass it off as some monument in a medieval town, or if (...) (23 years ago, 12-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) The minifig isn't THAT useful but the other three you name are veritable treasure troves of parts. Sopwith Camel especially looks like someone who knows what sort of parts I like designed it to be a great parts source to fill in the gaps in my (...) (23 years ago, 12-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Victor Knight

(...) I guess that's true but I thought we were talking about instances where the TLG model was good. If we're talking about as a set of parts, then yes. (23 years ago, 12-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) OK. I'll defend the Camel as a good, even great, model, though. It isn't minifig scale but neither are other model team sets. It's a bit bigger scale than model team but it is along the same lines. I found it to be a very enjoyable build. (...) (23 years ago, 12-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Jonathan Dallas

(...) Just my two cents. I bought the green dragon. I found the set to be challenging, and a well designed set. Granted it is a little too cute for me, but still a nice design. On top of that, once you take it apart you have tons (tonnes) of green (...) (23 years ago, 13-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Agreed. And I would argue that the sets that LD has brought out so far under their aegis are hitting this mark quite well. LD gets it. LD knows what we want and LD is delivering. I've said it before and I'll no doubt (to the annoyance of those (...) (23 years ago, 13-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Dan Simonson

Ok, now I see where your coming from. (...) (23 years ago, 13-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)

Re: This is stupid... I can't tolerate this *juniorization*... —Dan Simonson

(...) Then there's the poor little kids who have jsut started building lego who get these cheap sets and when they get tired of them they go in the closet like any other toy, accept they fall apart. One reason for Lego's success is the (...) (23 years ago, 13-Aug-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego)