 | | License revision 1
|
|
Based on some feedback, here's a revised copy of the license. I hope it addresses more concerns raised here, while keeping it free. Note that paragraph 5 is only for commercial applications, L3P is not subject to it. ---...--- This library is (...) (24 years ago, 13-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: License revision 1
|
|
(...) I like where you're going, mostly. (...) I'd like to not have different terms for commercial and non-commercial applications. I don't see a valid reason for discriminating on the basis of cost. My thinking is this: most LCAD'ish things are (...) (24 years ago, 13-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: License revision 1
|
|
"Steve Bliss" <steve.bliss@home.com> wrote in message news:lpff3tspjvsl3iu...4ax.com... (...) Agreed. (...) Good point - up until recently I have been against LCAD derivative software for sale, but some of the points made here has changed my (...) (24 years ago, 13-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: License revision 1
|
|
First, koen, I am the one who asked. I would like to package leocad for Debian GNU/Linux, and I cannot [legally] distribute the ldraw parts library with it unless it contains an acceptable license. (...) Why? Say Internet explorer had some sort of (...) (24 years ago, 13-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: License revision 1
|
|
(...) Seconding Pat Mahoney's questions directed at parts 4 and 5. My own questions: On part 4: I understand the main need for the license is: packaging the parts library with an application for distribution. Question: is the license meant to impose (...) (24 years ago, 14-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: License revision 1
|
|
(...) I only added that because other people requested, I was happy with the initial license. Personally I think that #4 is going to scare people away. (...) It's better, english is not my native language. (...) Ok, it seems that a lot of people (...) (24 years ago, 14-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: License revision 1
|
|
(...) The idea of making it different for commercial applications was to allow L3P to continue to be distributed under its current license. Now I see that it's a bad thing and #5 should either be completely removed or required for free applications (...) (24 years ago, 14-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: License revision 1
|
|
(...) For points made previously in the thread, I think. Basically, I think if our aim is to free users/distributors/developers to use the library however they want, forcing them to release source code is a *big* contradiction of the aim of the (...) (24 years ago, 14-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: License revision 1
|
|
"Steve Bliss" <steve.bliss@home.com> wrote in message news:kuph3tcm65ren3n...4ax.com... (...) bit (...) panel (...) Hehe.. Well given the nature of LCAD, its pretty difficult to select who is going to lead. But on the other side, having a panel of (...) (24 years ago, 14-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) I think it would be sufficient if we officially accept our somewhat anarchic approach. Basically, we could have (appoint, elect) specific officer positions, such as 'server admin', 'primary evangelist', 'parts library administrator', 'innocent (...) (24 years ago, 15-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: License revision 1
|
|
(...) All the rest of you are exceptions, who have to be listed out, because you haven't written any parts. Actually, I should double-check that Jacob and Terry *don't* have their names in any part files. Anyway, I think I'm leaning against that (...) (24 years ago, 15-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: License revision 1
|
|
"Steve Bliss" <steve.bliss@home.com> wrote in message news:htlk3tcv9idsvff...4ax.com... (...) thing (...) final (...) ROFL. :D Well, it was all ready to go last night, but some other unavoidable issues have come up, that we have worked out (Michael (...) (24 years ago, 15-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) This is something that confuses me, sometimes you say ldraw.org and sometimes LCAD organization. I'd rather see things going in the direction of an "LCAD organization", I know that currently LDraw accounts for most of what we call LCAD but I (...) (24 years ago, 15-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: License revision 1
|
|
(...) If you mean the "ask for another license" clause, it's not unusual. I got this idea from GPL: 10. If you wish to incorporate parts of the Program into other free programs whose distribution conditions are different, write to the author to ask (...) (24 years ago, 15-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
"Leonardo Zide" <leonardo@centroin.com.br> wrote in message news:3A3A7869.6F41C7....com.br... (...) That's true. There should be a gradual shift in naming to 'LCAD Organization' rather than LDraw.org, etc [1]. Eventually LCAD *will* change to (...) (24 years ago, 15-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) No. Although I am -not- one of the CADheads, my vote would be to keep the organization name/URL to be LDraw.org, because it honors James Jessman. Yes, the focus of it _will_ change to LCAD programs (I'm one of the people who would like to see (...) (24 years ago, 15-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
"James Powell" <wx732@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> wrote in message news:G5Mt7q.3vr@lugnet.com... (...) Organization' (...) would (...) Point taken. Any other opinions on this? -- Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com (URL) - Centralized LDraw Resources (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 15-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) Well, I suppose nothing says that the URL and the title need match. If it's possible maybe try to dissociate the name Ldraw from the tool Ldraw? What I mean is newcomers to LCAD (like myself a few months ago) will want to go to that site as a (...) (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) There isn't a very formal organization right now, so this shift is not a huge step and should happen as soon as possible. (...) You mean a more formal support ? I think that any questions posted to the lugnet.cad.* groups is very well answered (...) (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
"Leonardo Zide" <leonardo@centroin.com.br> wrote in message news:3A3B8FF8.95F0A8....com.br... (...) Organization' (...) Ok. Lets figure out if we are going to make the move (LDraw vs LCAD in the name vote) and act on that. This doesn't necessarily (...) (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) I think that www.ldraw.org should continue to exist and should focus only on things related to the program LDraw. (...) Lots of people don't read FAQs or other sources of documentation but it's worth to have them to at least help the few (...) (24 years ago, 17-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
"Leonardo Zide" <leonardo@centroin.com.br> wrote in message news:3A3CC2C9.871D75....com.br... (...) I disagree - for now, at least. I don't believe resources should be split up - and splitting off LDraw 'proper' into its own separate site while (...) (24 years ago, 17-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization
|
|
Regarding a separate LCAD domain, why can't you simply make a sub-domain in ldraw.org like what was done with mlcad.ldraw.org? ((URL) that isn't possible, I heard from someone who said that some place offers domain names for about $15/year. I'll (...) (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization
|
|
"Ryan Farrington" <ryanjf@ifriendly.com> wrote in message news:001201c06916$c7...dly.com... (...) ;-) (good idea, Ryan - something to think about) (...) Ok, please do. Thanks. -- Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com (URL) - Centralized LDraw Resources (...) (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization
|
|
(...) That seems backwards to me. If "LCAD" is the all-encompassing term we want to use, then LDraw would be a subset of LCAD, and the 'proper' subdomain name would be ldraw.lcad.org (to go along with mlcad.lcad.org, etc). But that's working from an (...) (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) I'm with James on this one. Keep ldraw.org as the domain name. Call the organization LDraw.org. The parts library should be the LDraw Parts Library. Usually when I say/write "LDraw", I'm using the term as shorthand for "the LDraw family of (...) (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization
|
|
"Steve Bliss" <steve.bliss@home.com> wrote in message news:chls3tksoa478uk...4ax.com... (...) So, what is your position on this, Steve? -- Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com (URL) - Centralized LDraw Resources (URL) - Zacktron Alliance ICQ: 23951114 - (...) (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization
|
|
(...) I registered leocad.org at www.domainmonger.com for $17/year. A guy from work registered a domain for $3/year but they add an annoying frame with ads, I don't think it's worth it but if you want I can get the address for you. Leonardo (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization
|
|
(...) See (URL). Stick with www.ldraw.org for all our LCAD needs. "LDraw" should be the primary term for things LEGO CAD-ish, not just a reference to an obsolete program. Steve (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization
|
|
I got my domain, www.kylekeppler.com, from www.namezero.com for free, yes FREE. They do put a huge ole banner on it and you have to have a site host so using it as your main website isn't that great of an idea. You do get unlimited email addresses (...) (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization
|
|
I got my domain, www.kylekeppler.com, from www.namezero.com for free, yes FREE. They do put a huge ole banner on it and you have to have a site host so using it as your main website isn't that great of an idea. You do get unlimited email addresses (...) (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) I agree with that because currently ldraw.org is working as l-cad.org, but l-cad.org will have to focus on other stuff as well. (...) I think it would be better to have the FAQ split, there should be a smaller FAQ with only questions that (...) (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
"Leonardo Zide" <leonardo@centroin.com.br> wrote in message news:3A3E8A88.A941C2....com.br... (...) Yeah. I like the idea of another site, but I'm still strongly listening to the people who say to keep it at LDraw.org. Its good to have the name and (...) (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization
|
|
(...) Shouldn't the latter be mlcad.ldraw.lcad.org? I tend to view any program which uses the LDraw parts library in any way as a descendant of the LDraw heritage, and hence as a subset of "LDraw in the wider sense". If a LEGO CAD program "Xyzzy" (...) (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) Looks like Steve is already working on it... (...) Yes, but we should still make full updates available for people who don't want the latest version. I'll start writing an update download program, looks like it's the only thing left to do. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) I was under the impression that we could get together and write a completely new program that wouldn't rely on the current LDraw format, the only thing left from the current programs would be the parts library imported until parts were redone (...) (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) And I'd still be happy to include the results of that effort under the LDraw umbrella. I think Jacob still has documents on his server about "LDraw II". But we don't need to write a new format -- it's already there. Heck, there are a bunch of (...) (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization
|
|
(...) Right. But if something new and plainly better (in all aspects) comes along, we can as easily label it "LDraw Mk II" as any other name. Assuming the author(s) would go along willingly, of course. :) Steve (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
[snipped .cad.dev from ng list] (...) I very much agree with this. It doesn't matter if it's a physical split, or a simple matter of presentation. As long as normal people don't have to wade through the geek-gunk. (...) I want to do away with (...) (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) As a somewhat innocent bystander, I'd like to see it stay LDraw.org, which is why I used the LDraw family of applications to refer to programs which will ultimately derrive from the work James started. (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization
|
|
(...) in (...) ((URL) (...) slow (...) offers (...) details. (...) (24 years ago, 20-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
Leonardo Zide <leonardo@centroin.com.br> wrote in message news:3A3F58E5.CD9F8B....com.br... (...) Cool. Would the download program provide information about the updates so people can download only what they want instead of the latest version? Why (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) I've already started writing the program, so far it only downloads the list of files and checks for the missing ones. If I have enough time, I might have something working tomorrow or maybe next week. I wasn't going to give the user a list of (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
Leonardo Zide <leonardo@centroin.com.br> wrote in message news:3A43B5EF.1D8B7F....com.br... (...) Great! (...) Sounds good. (...) Ok. Whatever works best. I'll be talking to people within the next few weeks about LCAD stuff, exchanging information (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
|
| |
| | Re: Ldraw.organization (was: License revision 1)
|
|
(...) Dissagree... (...) Or you use a Revison Control type system.... (...) Alternativly If anyone here can talk CORBA it might be worthwile considering using an app written with that to allow for distribution from various sites according to an (...) (24 years ago, 28-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
|
