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New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Larry Pieniazek

As some of you know, I loaned my "tribute to the PCC" streetcar to PNLTC for their record breaking run. It was visible in the line of rolling stock in the yard. Dan Parker was kind enough to send it (along with the rest of my rolling stock and over (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Dirty little secret (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Larry Pieniazek

(soon to be fixed...) I set the auction time to 10 days because I have a dirty little secret! I haven't designed the dummy truck yet. I knew it would be easy to do and I was running out of time this weekend (1). So the LDraw instructions use two (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Dirty little secret (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Eric Kingsley

(...) Well I personally find this spacing quite frustrateing. So much so that I use 2 motors on the engines that I have designed so far because I just don't like the look of the dummy truck mixed with the motor truck. They just don't look right (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Dirty little secret (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Christopher Masi

(...) problem with a dummy motor is that if the truck has 3 studs between the wheels then the bogie plate nub is of center. Chris (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Dirty little secret (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Steve Chapple

(...) That's certainly the best way to do it, but also the most expensive. (...) I'm fairly sure there is a valid Technic_al reason for the spacing. I can't check it at the moment, but contact points with points :-) and especially the cross tracks (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Dirty little secret (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Frank Filz

(...) Nah, when you've bought so many dupes of train sets for the other parts, train motors are a dime a dozen. I have had both of my double trucked engines double motored from practically the start of my collection (not quite - I bought one each of (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Dirty little secret (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Good point. But not a problem for the thread originating model which has no couplers and therefore doesn't really have to worry about friction losses cutting into pulling capacity. The increased symmetry of having the spacing between the truck (...) (24 years ago, 28-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Christopher Masi

(...) Hi Lar, That looks good. Now that I am reinventing myself in 8-wide I keep thinking about revisiting my trolleys. Specifically, I keep thinking about making a two truck street car. The one thing that keeps holding me back are the size of the (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Well I guess I wish they were a bit shorter but it's not that bad. Proportionally they are about the right length compared to the width of a minifig (A PCC truck is something like 8-10 feet long) but I had to compress the model overall length (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

8 wide trolley??? (was new interurban/trolley from MTW —Larry Pieniazek

PS This model is "technically" 8 wide. Hear that John Neal? I say that because it has steps at the center and the bottom step, below the door, sticks out a stud from the body. This is prototypical, but it makes the body 8 wide, just in that spot. (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: 8 wide trolley??? (was new interurban/trolley from MTW —John Neal

(...) "Technically" 8 wide??? Hmmm....just wondering how that is different than just plain ol' 8 wide.... Freddie Mercury couldn't have said it any better.... (Another one bites the dust;) (...) Yo-- 8 wide is 8 wide:-) (...) Moot point for sure, (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: 8 wide trolley??? (was new interurban/trolley from MTW —Mike Walsh

"John Neal" <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message news:39CFB496.1769C5...est.net... [ ... snipped ... ] (...) resorted.... (...) Purely out of curiousity, how long (man hours?) do you expect it to take to dismantle and resort the layout? I have a (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: GMLTC resorting —John Gerlach

(...) We've spent about 150 (?) man-hours dismantling and sorting so far, we've got 6 sections - of 14 - pretty much done. We build scenery mostly out of 2x2 and 2x4 bricks, so those are sorted by color into large bins. Smaller pieces we were (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: GMLTC resorting —Frank Filz

(...) I can definitely second this. I use two stage sorting when sorting new sets. Actually, in some cases I use single stage sorting. Certain parts go through single stage sorting, I have three trays from 1298 which have 24 compartments each. Many (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: GMLTC resorting —Mike Walsh

"Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:39CFD2F7.7DE1@m...ing.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) What Frank really needs is a bigger house! ;-) Mike - mike_walsh@mindspring.com PS: This probably doesn't belong in .trains (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.general)

Re: GMLTC resorting —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I think this is good advice for teardown or cleanup sorting. However I think it's BAD advice for parting out sorting. The kids and I sorted 74 soccer buses and 30 or so Siths over the course of the week in the evenings last week and what we (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.build)

Re: 8 wide trolley??? (was new interurban/trolley from MTW —John Neal

(...) Krike! If I had that self imposed rule at my house, I'd never play with bricks again! Right now I have (mostly thanks to my kids) prolly 5 times that in loose bricks to be sorted:-( -John (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: 8 wide trolley??? (was new interurban/trolley from MTW —Mike Walsh

"John Neal" <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message news:39CFCFC2.A51B3B...est.net... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) that (...) Well its a lot to me! I have a bunch more smaller piles lying around my office in these square plastic picnic plates (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: 8 wide trolley??? —John Gerlach

(...) I'm not sure there is a flame suit strong enough for me to stand in between the two loudest and most argumentative GMLTC members, but being the fool that I am, I'm going to dive in here. How are we measuring width? Widest part of a locomotive (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: 8 wide trolley??? —John Neal

(...) No flaming here, J-1, because of course you are correct, sir! Just because someone slaps something on their train car that sticks out on the side doesn't make it a bona fide 8 wide.... (hey, I like the sound of that:) The real litmus is (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: 8 wide trolley??? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) <KNOWS he's being trolled but can't resist rising to the bait anyway> Oh, I have the *ability*, I just don't have the *desire*. Why bother with the crutch of the larger amounts of detail possible in the larger scale, when I'm so darn good at 6 (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: 8 wide trolley??? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) the (...) er, ah, c/loudest and most argumentative/brightest, hardest working, most photogenic, most eloquent, and just plain nicest pair of/ All kidding aside, it's not really 8 wide, I was just stirring up trouble... As you say, many "6 (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —James Mathis

Very nice, Larry. Thanks for posting the images. I'll be interested to see how well it sells. later, James Mathis (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Fredrik Glöckner

Your model is very nice and has very good detailing. I don't know the original, but I know a good LEGO model when I see one! Fredrik (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Larry Pieniazek

In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes: <about my "PCC", of which I am pretty darn proud in case you can't tell> I decided that this model was good enough to submit to the withering gaze of the rec.models.railroad crowd so I posted something. (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.trains.org)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Frank Filz

(...) There's a reply now, your URL didn't work, the URL I got from the search is: (URL) like you're off to a favorable start. (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Larry Pieniazek

(...) yours will not work for anyone else or even for you after your session/context expires. Deja is making it really hard to give references to particular posts, not like it used to be in the old days before they realised they had to make money. I (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —James Powell

(...) I'm in the "we don't need the NMRA" Camp too. I'm a member of 2 independent clubs (The Platelayers, and The Gangers) which are members of BRMNA, but BRMNA is far looser a group than NMRA. (as is the UK overgroup, HMRS). Having been to enough (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Frank Filz

(...) I think the competitions at the shows are a separate issue from the value of the organization itself. The value I see from the NMRA is exposure to the model railroading hobby as a whole, and the potential growth of our segment of the hobby, (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

(canceled) —John Neal

Got NMRA? (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes) —John Neal

(...) I was never formally associated with the NMRA, although I grew up with model trains (my dad had a Marklin table layout) along side of LEGO. Never really remember seeing a LEGO train until about 1986. But as far as the NMRA goes, here is my (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Train Purity (was Got NMRA? (was.... —Dan Parker

In lugnet.trains.org, John Neal writes: ....whether or not someone would accept non-LEGO (...) Hey, the concept of 'purity' itself could be greatly debated. What's the difference between string supplied in the Pirate sets and track used for train (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Train Purity (was Got NMRA? (was.... —John Neal

(...) Wow, Dan, I am pleased and surprised by your response. For some reason, I got the feeling that the PNLTC would be "pure" to the end, no matter what the outcome (or perhaps yours is a minority voice?). I have a feeling that the sentiments of (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Train Purity (was Got NMRA? (was.... —Dan Parker

I may well be a unique voice within PNLTC but one never knows..... Actually, PNLTC is nearly 30 members now and thus many opinions are represented. We concur on many issues. Btw, I view it as currently convenient to model 6- wides (maybe it's the (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Train Purity (was Got NMRA? (was.... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Yes. I'd do it. I'd support it. I just wouldn't *like* it as much. But I'm much less pure than I was. If someone made a viable DCC kit that was installable by a guy who usually picks up the wrong end of the soldering iron, I'm there. If (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Train Purity (was Got NMRA? (was.... —Frank Filz

(...) Wouldn't you also go for wheels? Howabout an uncoupling ramp to go with the Kadee couplers (hey, I want nothing less than the best for couplers, if were going to go non-LEGO there, let's do it right). In some ways, the things I see most likely (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Train Purity (was Got NMRA? (was.... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) <snip> (...) Yes. My list was an e.g. not exhaustive. (...) if (...) Maybe... is Kadee that incompetent of a mold maker though? I do know of at least one example where TLC might have made something for someone else but that's all I can say (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Train Purity (was Got NMRA? (was.... —Frank Filz

(...) if (...) Yea, no reason Kadee couldn't do the box themselves. The advantage I was thinking of them basically doing a joint thing is that it would be more attractive to purists since it would now basically have TLC's blessing (and probably say (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes) —James J. Trobaugh

Even though I agree that we (LTCs) don't "need" the NMRA, I do enjoy attending the meetings here locally. I find it very educational and really pick up a lot of good ideas that I might have missed. I do understand that a good bit of the topics and (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes) —Frank Filz

(...) I might be able to manage one in white and grey, using sun discolored pieces. Frank (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes) —Frank Filz

(...) No matter what TLC does, if a third party manufacturer stepped in with a quality product, I would abandon purity in a minute. I don't think I'm the only one either. I think track, wheels, and couplers are the area most ripe for non-TLC (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes) —James J. Trobaugh

A funny thing happened while I was reading this thread. I got a call from the local chapter of the NMRA, the SER-Piedmont Division. They called and asked if I would do a workshop/presentation on LEGO trains at their December meeting. I thought that (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes) —Frank Filz

(...) Cool! If you have any 4.5V or 12V stuff, you might want to bring it and do 10-15 minutes on the history of LEGO trains. I'd also bring any recent stock trains that you have, and some MOCs. Print out a variety of Track Designer plans to show (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes) —James J. Trobaugh

Frank Filz <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:G1Iuqt.EF2@lugnet.com... (...) December (...) to (...) stock (...) other (...) that the (...) think (...) (gee, (...) extra (...) it). Of (...) make (...) creations (...) I'll defiantly start (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes) —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Defiantly? Are you expecting armed resistance from the Lionel camp? :-) seriously, your outlined approach seems spot on. ++Lar (who has been getting better at resisting the urge to pounce on typos but this one was TOO funny) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org, lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Got NMRA? (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes) —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Nice job. Make sure you bring lots of plates and slopes and small bits, if you just bring 2x4 bricks and some wheels they won't be impressed by what they are able to create. Except for boxcars, train cars just don't *use* many bricks qua (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? (was Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes) —James J. Trobaugh

Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G1IyAx.Lrw@lugnet.com... (...) December (...) to (...) you (...) are (...) (clips, (...) stripe, 4 (...) in (...) parts, (...) Well that would be just cruel to take only bricks...I'll (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —John Gerlach

(...) I think you should contact LEGO directly and ask if they have any sort of 'presentation' materials you could use. This could end up being a thread all its own - "What should James do to impress the NMRA folks?" :-) JohnG, GMLTC (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —James J. Trobaugh

(...) Thats a good idea, matter of fact I had put contacting LEGO on my list of things to do for the presentation. I'm open to suggestions for the presentation, I have a pretty good outline in my head, now I just need to start putting it together. I (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —John Gerlach

(...) Here are some of the features I would point out to people when I was working at the LEGO Imagination Center: Ease of track connection - it simply snaps together. Reliable - trains will run for hours non-stop. Flexible - because you can use (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —John Neal

(...) That's good advice, J-1, except for the last part....I bet those guys would get a kick out of it because now it's starting to get up their alley (Besides, an hour is a loooong time to talk...;-) And why not include a 4 wide and 14 wide? (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —James J. Trobaugh

(...) in (...) so (...) together! (...) get a (...) hour (...) I was planning on at mentioning the 6 vs 8 wide "debate", so that the people there know that the LEGO train community has it's own internal infractions just like many of the other scales (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —Dan Parker

In lugnet.trains.org, John Gerlach writes:<snip>What should James do to (...) PNLTC invariably conducts workshops at venues, especially GATS as they pay $10 a session and it's a gimme. We call it "Care and Feeding of LEGO-brand Trains." Spend 5 (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —James J. Trobaugh

(...) Thats a great idea for a clinic, maybe after I do my presentation for NMRA I can scale it down and make a clinic out of it for future shows...cool. I'm also thinking of taking a laptop and LCD projector so I can display some images from past (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —John Neal

(...) Wow. From the sound of all of these excellent suggestions, I'm sure it will be a very interesting presentation! *And* Powerpoint?....I may have to book a flight and attend myself! :-) -John (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Ya, you might learn something. ++Lar (24 years ago, 28-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —John Neal

(...) Hey, pal, you could learn a thing or two from James yourself. IMO his website ( (URL) ) is the nicest looking LEGO train site on the net; not like that monster of confusion located at: (URL) <g,d,&r> -John (...) (24 years ago, 28-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Touche. A well placed arrow. I ought to dump that whole unsorted mess and start over. However, that's not HIS website is it? Else *you* get a reaming for the GMLTC site, a pathetic rag of a limp, unfinished work. (as we know, the GMLTC would (...) (24 years ago, 28-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —James J. Trobaugh

(...) I'd rather build too, but it's hard to sneak my bricks here into the office and build, that fine sound rattling ABS always gives me away. (...) And the check book behind it... (24 years ago, 28-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got website? —John Gerlach

(...) If the *entire* GMLTC were into self promotion as much as some members are, we'd have a bigger web site than LUGNET... JohnG, GMLTC (24 years ago, 28-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —John Neal

(...) Thank you. Don't be so hard on yourself <removing tongue in cheek to type rest of post> (...) Easy cowboy, or someone might think you have your "J"s mixed up..... (...) ?? I'm all ears.. -John (...) (24 years ago, 28-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: Got NMRA? —James J. Trobaugh

(...) Somewhere in all the tangents of this thread I forgot to thank John for the praise of the NGLTC site, glad you like it. jt (24 years ago, 28-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Mike Poindexter

(...) I have never been one to say that we don't need the NMRA. After all, I was the driving force in getting BAYLTC to the NMRA. I think that we need publicity and the NMRA can provide that. Until people don't come by and mention that they had no (...) (24 years ago, 28-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Frank Filz

(...) One thing I'm curious about is how many of those who feel we don't need to be part of the NMRA have been involved in model railroading outside of LEGO Trains? As a model railroader, and someone who truly hopes that the hobby will continue (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Steve Chapple

(...) The organizer for SuperTrain 2001 wanted us to participate specifically because our display was far and away the most popular with the kids. If kids don't get interested in model trains, (so that new members join) the hobby will die out as its (...) (24 years ago, 26-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org, lugnet.org.ca.nalug)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Chris Gray

(...) [deliberately violating the FUT, to include lugnet.org.ca.nalug] It doesn't seem to me like the hobby is in any danger of dying out. Looking at Kevin's magazines, the layouts at the show, and the crowds that came to see them, I'd say its as (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org, lugnet.org.ca.nalug)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Christopher Masi

(...) Nice sig. It made me laugh. Thanks, Chris (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org, lugnet.org.ca.nalug)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Dan Parker

(...) <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Actually, a couple of the NMRA brass-types admitted to me that this is a real and significant problem they're experiencing. Sure, benchmarks continue to be raised but there is a measurable vacuum at the entry level, (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org, lugnet.org.ca.nalug)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Christopher Masi

(...) Just wanted to point out that the quoted words up there are Chris Gray's. Chris's sig made me laugh, and that is all I commented about. Chris (24 years ago, 29-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains.org, lugnet.org.ca.nalug)

Re: New Interurban/Trolley model, perfect for those downtown scenes —Larry Pieniazek

(...) In my listing writeup I say that my model is based on an american prototype. Jan-Albert Van Ree, my Dutch factoree, was kind enough to send me the following link: (URL) you click on the "PCC" link you will see some cars that have PCC (...) (24 years ago, 28-Sep-00, to lugnet.trains)