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| | | Hi everyone - I just thought I'd post to say that I am leaving LUGNET for a while. I never understood why people leave this place to take breathers until this week, but believe me when I say I need a BIG one. The problems, the garbage here is just (...) (23 years ago, 7-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.trains.org.niltc) !!
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| | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Matt Hein
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| | | | | (...) Whoa! I'm sorry to hear that you're leaving LUGNET. Personally, I myself have comtemplated leaving before, and usually, I am on leave anyway cuz I'm so busy working on my story (I completely changed the story, so it doesn't suck anymore). It's (...) (23 years ago, 7-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Jason King
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| | | | | Tim, although i don't know you that well i will be sorry to see you go. I do see how much you do for the Lego community, and I see your passion for the Brick... Please reconsider you decision :-))) I have also seen how many people get caught up in (...) (23 years ago, 7-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | Lugnet's tailspin —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) That is a concern of many of us (including Tim). The nastiness level on Lugnet just seems to be increasing constantly. I think there's a bunch of reasons for it, but sticking our heads in the sand and hoping it will go away will not cure the (...) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people) !
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet's tailspin —Eric Sophie
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| | | | | | | All hail the mighty Brick. Hey just an observation: Frank I noticed when we net you were a kinda quiet guy, and when I read your posts your are quite well spoken. I like that and I enjoy reading what you write when I come accross your posts. Anyway. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet's tailspin —Jason King
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| | | | | | | Hi Frank, It's funny you know, last night before I even read your post, I was thinking that the problems began around the time Todd stopped be involved in LUGNET... You are right Leadership is the answer but I can't see where that leadership will (...) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet's tailspin —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | (...) So maybe it's time for us to ante up. I wonder how many of the ~1500 members would stick around at $25 per year? Everyone (myself included) should remember this web page: (URL) do I find the amount of my membership fee that I still owe?) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet's tailspin —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) go to (URL) member number> and click on "edit profile". at the very bottom, you will see how much you said you'll pay, and how much LUGNET got. Dan (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet's tailspin —Jason King
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| | | | | | | | | | | You are right Chris a higher membership fee would probably help Lugnet in someway. And I would be more than happy to pay. The enjoyment i get from LUGNET is definately worth it.. However some of our members are still teenagers and they might not be (...) (23 years ago, 12-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet's tailspin —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I think many of us agree. So why aren't we paying? In my case, I just keep meaning to. I bet there's a lot of that. (...) It would. But $25 per year is something that _any_ North American teen who is well off enough to enjoy LEGO and computer (...) (23 years ago, 12-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet's tailspin —Paul Hartzog
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| | | | | | | | | | | | hey this is a great idea worth looking into in my opinion -paul (...) (23 years ago, 15-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet's tailspin —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I wonder what the subscription fee would be if we wanted to pay somebody to run this show FT? What would the "going rate" be if an individual from the USA was employed? I really doubt 1500*$25 ($37500) would be enough? Scott A =+= Have you (...) (23 years ago, 12-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet's tailspin —Jason King
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Scott A <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:Gsv03y.HtD@lugnet.com... (...) leadership (...) be a (...) members (...) to (...) Hi Scott, Add me to the list of those wondering the same thing. -- Jason King LugNet #665 (...) (23 years ago, 13-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet's tailspin —Matt Hein
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Hmmm...you've got a point there...I guess It's an issue of both of the topics above, one being 'how many members would remain', and the other being the 'membership price'. I don't think an annual fee would be bad. I could easily afford $25 a (...) (23 years ago, 13-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | how much is enough? —Paul Hartzog
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) well, first of all, some of that $ would go to server costs. but you could pay a number of 'volunteers' the equiv of part-time pay above and beyond their day-jobs. 1) you get better results from the 'employee' (or they get fired) 2) you get (...) (23 years ago, 15-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Useful URL! —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Dunno, but I sent something. Just to feel like I'm giving *something* back. Thanks for the URL--I didn't know it was there! Now, if only I could find a job that paid more than $15K... ...and for the record, I'd ante up $25 a year, even living (...) (23 years ago, 14-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | LUGNET's Good Health was: [Re: Lugnet's tailspin] — Suzanne D. Rich
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| | | | | | | | note: I happened to pick this post of the thread to respond to, for no better reason than it just came up on my ticker. As for some people calling this 'a tailspin', well, even if I were to agree (which I don't), you'd better keep in mind that this (...) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.general) !!
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lugnet's tailspin —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | (...) Personally, I think that the notion that a major message board can remain friendly is naïve at best. A "message board" like LUGNET is the juxtaposition of people of many cultures, ages, interests, as well as different levels of experience with (...) (23 years ago, 12-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | Leaders vs. Rulers —Paul Hartzog
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| | | | | | (...) excellent point (...) also excellent, in fact communities RELY on members to not only self-police but to co-police each other. Think about any football game when an athlete gets angry and the other guys help calm him down. no one wants to see (...) (23 years ago, 15-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Amy Hughes
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| | | | | (...) Me, too :-( I'm gonna go chew on some shoe leather now... Amy (23 years ago, 8-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Duane Hess
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| | | | | (...) <snip> (...) <Snip> (...) I agree that something needs to be done. Lately it seems like LUGNET is a somewhat compartmentalized RTL. As much as some people try, the noise still gets the visibility. I feel like I know quite a few people here, (...) (23 years ago, 8-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Rico Lovelace
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| | | | | What a waste. To highlight a post about someone's hiatus?!? He said he’d be back… Anyway, like it matterz Can we stick to more relevant topics for highlighting in the future? . .. ... .... ..... ...... ....... ........ Spydèr ........ ...... ..... (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Jude Beaudin
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| | | | | | | (...) I think it is a case of why he is leaving that got it highlighted not so much that he is leaving. Tim was a great advocate for LUGNET and it is very disturbing that he feels he has to walk away for a while. (...) It does to some of us who have (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Adrian Egli
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| | | | | | | | | I'll admit I'm feeling like some others here do. Tim has always played an important role here on Lugnet but, a partial quote, "Lugnet is a somewhat compartamentalized RTL". There are still times when I find it worth posting something (like the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | | RE: On Hiatus —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | | | | (...) IMO, the problem is that people seem to think the noise is more important than the content. To me, the content on LUGNET is the MOCs and the related building discussion. Noise is people bickering about why they can't get along...which leads to (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Matt Hein
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Definitely. What is happening to Lugnet anyway? (...) Hmm...The community should really think about this. What exactly Is Lugnet and why was it instated? I'll tell you. Lugnet is the medium for Lego fans like you and me to discuss matters (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus — Suzanne D. Rich
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) [...] (...) Thank-you, Bram. My thoughts exactly... -Suz (23 years ago, 10-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general) !!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Jude Beaudin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I guess that means the conversation is over, the admin thinks it's noise. Jude FUT o-t.debate (23 years ago, 10-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) People who spotlight messages should think carefully about the type of posts they think are appropriate for the LUGNET shop window: ie "Top Stories" on www.lugnet.com Although Tim is well meaning, I really doubt his melodramatics belong there. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Ummmh...Scott...we know already...subject matter should be already closed... thanks...don't open another can of worms... Benjamin Medinets (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Benjamin, All I am doing is stating my view. You may/may not like my view, but I'm sure you will agree that I'm entitled to it. I suppose the alternative would be for admins to highlight threads as "closed"? FUT: lugnet.off-topic.debate Scott (...) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Rico Lovelace
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Obviously you don’t. I did have to explain myself several times over… And he’s got as much a right to post as you do Ben. Just cause you’ve already said your points dozen’t mean everyone else has to walk away. Try not to dictate to others so (...) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Rico Lovelace
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| | | | | | | | Interesting how you presume to talk on his behalf… And all the others who posted… Anyway… (...) That's all well and good. For you can e-mail him as much as you want, you can leave as many happy-goodbye messages in the .peoples section as you wish, (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hey Spider, I think you missed the point... yes people do come and go all the time, BUT... Tim wasn't "just another user"... he had passion not only for making the Lego Community a better place, but also LUGNET. Its your attitude and others (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Matt Hein
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Definitely. Spyder has nothing to back those words up with, and Tim was a great guy who was only trying to better Lugnet. A word of advice to Spyder. Please think before you post. You'd be amazed what some people do before thinking, and some (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Rico Lovelace
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| | | | | | | | | | I'm happy for the two of you and your special relationship. <grins> But this iz not the issue... (...) Back those words up? So you want me to tally up just how constructive Tim has been to the community and thus compare his endeavors to that of the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Matt Hein
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Funny, very funny. Isn't it against the TOS to throw in nasty comments. (...) Fine. Be as negative as you want. There's no need to add more negativity to Lugnet as it is. Use your time more wisely. I, for instance don't spend 10 out of 11 (...) (23 years ago, 12-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Rico Lovelace
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| | | | | | | | Geezzzzzzz… Where do I begin? You so completely misconstrued my point that I dumbfounded at the amount of reiteration I'll have to clarify… (...) First-off its ‘Spydèr’ not Spider… o.k. Bem Nedinets… ;) And secondly, I don’t think I'm the one (...) (23 years ago, 10-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Duane Hess
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| | | | | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) If I've read your clarifications right, your point is what is appropriate for the highlights section. (...) I for one respect the amount of effort that Tim has put forth to further the L-CAD community. The fact that he's earned (...) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Chris Giddens
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| | | | | | | | | Is it just me or does this guy come off a bit "Troll-ish"? Doing a search on Rico Lovelace turns up mostly posts in debates and little to do with Lego. (URL) wonderin'... and if you're not a Troll, Spyder, my sincerest apologies. Chris <>< (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Rico Lovelace
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm not a Troll! And therefore i accept your apologies... . .. ... .... ..... ...... ....... ........ Spydèr ........ ...... ..... .... ... .. . Fading back into the night… (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Mike Walsh
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| | | | | | | | "Spydèr" <spyders_(obscure)we...tmail.com> wrote in message news:GsqDCr.21G@lugnet.com... (...) of (...) Then why not use your real name? (...) directly (...) that (...) we (...) [ ... lots of snippage .... ] This response had some reasonable (...) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) Watch it Michael! Scott A =+= Have you inspected Arthur’s Seat yet? (URL) reasonable man adapts himself to suit his environment. An unreasonable man persists in attempting to adapt his environment to suit himself. Therefore, all (...) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Rico Lovelace
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| | | | | | | | (...) Rico, it's not hard to findz... (...) Some people like cuttin' the 'g' off the end of ing. I don't eg: needin' keepin' sleepin' I guess i just like the zest of 'z' ? . .. ... .... ..... ...... ....... ........ Spydèr ........ ...... ..... .... (...) (23 years ago, 11-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Well, I for one never would have seen that thread had someone not highlighted it. Seems to me the waste is someone wasting bandwidth complaining about someone wasting bandwidth. [1] -John [1] Unless it's someone posting that someone is wasting (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Rico Lovelace
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| | | | | | (...) I didn’t complain about “Bandwidth!” Only about relevant topics on the announcement board. Try to stay on topic…. I never once said anything about his post being a waste of space. Or any of the other posts for that matter. I just questioned (...) (23 years ago, 10-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Revelant? To what? To whom? You? (...) My concern is with your post. So somebody highlighted it? So what? Why do you feel as if you need to somehow micro-manage behavior on LUGNET? You probably would have had a coronary a while back when folks (...) (23 years ago, 12-Mar-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Jim Schifeling
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| | | | If this is about the name change , it is best that you do take a break. While I feel it was a little out of line for you to ask,(if that indeed is what this is all about) you did it in the nicest possible way. It also got blown out of proportion by (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Jude Beaudin
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| | | | (...) Jim, I know Tim well enough to say that it is not the name change that brought him to this decision, it was just the last straw of a long complex chain of events. It isn't that he can't handle negativity or criticism. It is that over a long (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Jim Schifeling
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| | | | I hope that is all it is, I would rather he just take a break than sour over time. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | Re: On Hiatus —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) As someone who HAS taken a break I can say that it can be quite a good thing, in that it recharges your batteries a bit. It can also remind you that LUGNET is more than just one person, even yourself, because the discussion goes on without you (...) (23 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.people)
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