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Re: Lugnet's tailspin
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Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:44:46 GMT
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Hi Frank,
It's funny you know, last night before I even read your post, I was thinking
that the problems began around the time Todd stopped be involved in
LUGNET...
You are right Leadership is the answer but I can't see where that leadership
will come from, LUGNET has grown to a point that looking after it would be a
full time job...
--
Jason King
LugNet #665
Frank Filz <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Jason King wrote:
> >
> > Tim, although i don't know you that well i will be sorry to see you go. • I do
> > see how much you do for the Lego community, and I see your passion for • the
> > Brick... Please reconsider you decision :-)))
> >
> > I have also seen how many people get caught up in the less than great
> > aspects of LUGNET, I try to avoid the arguments, I have decided not to • read
> > off-topic debate at all because I don't come to LUGNET to read about all
> > those things.
> > I come to read about LEGO ... So please everyone take your arguments to
> > email or off-topic.debate so we don't all have to read it. If you have a
> > problem with an individual or their actions, email them, don't bring it • up
> > on a public forum which is simply for discussing LEGO ...
> >
> > Some might say that I am putting my head in the sand .... Well so be it,
> > LUGNET is my little escape from Reality as it were. I would like to keep • it
> > that way..
> >
> > The most worrying aspect of all this is the fact that if more and more
> > active members turn their back on LUGNET, LUGNET might cease to exist, • and
> > that would be a great shame...
>
> That is a concern of many of us (including Tim). The nastiness level on
> Lugnet just seems to be increasing constantly. I think there's a bunch
> of reasons for it, but sticking our heads in the sand and hoping it will
> go away will not cure the problem.
>
> The biggest reason I see for the tailspin is that we no longer have
> leadership. Back when I started, Todd and Suzanne both had vision and
> active involvement which earned them recognition for leadership. With
> Todd's withdrawal, many things on Lugnet just aren't able to be done
> (though I realize Suzanne and Dan are trying to do things).
>
> The whole "policing" mess is a result of a lack of leadership. If Lugnet
> had real leadership, it wouldn't be an issue.
>
> Another issue as some have mentioned is the "ownership" issue. Lugnet is
> a collection of things:
>
> - a very comprehensive set data base, ownership pretty clearly belongs
> to Todd and Suzanne for making it possible, though the community has
> contributed hugely
>
> - a discussion area, the physical aspects of which clearly belong to
> Todd and Suzanne.
>
> - a community. This is where the problem of ownership comes in. No one
> person owns the community. We all do.
>
> Another major contributor is the growth. Lugnet has grown to the point
> where we don't all know each other. Most of us no longer look at just
> about every creation. We don't follow all of the newsgroups.
>
> Growth of the community is not bad, but it may require new models.
> Perhaps a one size fits all news group discussion area doesn't fit.
> Perhaps many folks don't even really want/need to be a part of an
> international community.
>
> What we need to progress to the future is a way for those who are
> interested in moving to the future to have a place to meet and build the
> communities of the future. This needs to be done in a way which mostly
> insulates the folk who just want to build (yet needs to be open enough
> that anyone who cares has a voice).
>
> Frank
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