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Re: "gutless" bush?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:46:25 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > We live in a fallen world-- sometimes violence is the only way (because the
> > > > > bad guy starts it)
> > > > >
> > > > > Ummmmmmmm, you sure you want to phrase it that way?
> > > >
> > > > Yes. This started 11 years ago with the invasion of Kuwait.
> > > >
> > > > JOHN
> > >
> > > Kuwait was liberated.
> > >
> > > That war is over.
> > >
> > > This cannot be about that invasion--it's over.
> > >
> > > You're so quick to tell us to 'get over' Bush and the election--get over
> > > Kuwait--it's done. SH wasn't massing a force to re-invade. What is it you
> > > are trying to prove with this? What it tells me is that you're bitter that
> > > W Sr. didn't 'get the bad guy' then, and now you're out to finish the
> > > job--11 years later.
> > >
> > > Yeah--yet another "White House" reason for this little war.
> >
> > Ploughed ground, but I'll explain 1 more time, and I'll type extra slowly in
> > hopes you get it this time:
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> > 1. SH invades Kuwait.
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> Begin violence.
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> >
> > 2. UN forces repel SH from Kuwait.
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> End violence.
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> >
> > 3. SH agrees to >>>DISARM<<<
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> No violence....
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> >
> > 4. SH yanks weapons inspectors around for 11 years, while stockpiling illegal
> > weapons, including chemical and biological in the process.
> > 5. The UN passes 1441, demanding compliance or serious consequences would occur
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> No violence....
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> > 6. The UN looses its spine, countries complicent in SH's weapons build-up block
> > UN efforts, exposing the UN for the sham it is.
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> No violence....
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> > 7. Realizing that disarming will only occur with SH removed from power, the US,
> > along with coalition forces, issue an ultimatum for SH to take voluntarily
> > exile or they will forcibly remove him.
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> No violence....
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> > 8. He refuses.
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> No violence...
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> > 9. He is being forcibly removed by the US and coalition forces.
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> Violence, started by the U.S.! Hey this is *your* sequence of events.
> "sometimes violence is the only way (because the bad guy starts it)". The
> irony of your statement is apparent to everyone but you.
The violence is a CONSEQUENCE of his FAILURE to comply. You are making my case
for the impotence of the UN. If the UN isn't willing to back up their threats,
they are empty and worthless.
Without violence, there will be no disarming SH. That's HIS choosing, not
ours. He was given EVERY opportunity. The buck has to stop somewhere.
So either the US is a warmongering imperialist country, or the UN is a joke.
You can't have it both ways.
JOHN
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| (...) No John, you said one thing and I called you on it: "sometimes violence is the only way (because the bad guy starts it)." Okay, we started the current violence, so your statement has a certain irony to it. You'd be far better off amending your (...) (22 years ago, 20-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Begin violence. (...) End violence. (...) No violence.... (...) No violence.... (...) No violence.... (...) No violence.... (...) No violence... (...) Violence, started by the U.S.! Hey this is *your* sequence of events. "sometimes violence is (...) (22 years ago, 20-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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