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It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Christopher L. Weeks

Howdy, I'd like to state that I'm really disgusted with the thread du jour and the two key participants. It was very nice here for about a month after the last big blowup. Why did you have to go and mess it up? Without going through the last month (...) (23 years ago, 25-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Shiri Dori

(...) <snip> Hear hear. It was soooo nice to read debates. There were actually intellectual topics being discussed. Midwest or not, Chris, you're dead-on in this case. Somebody's got to put an end to this silliness that keeps ensuing between these (...) (23 years ago, 25-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Lawrence Wilkes

"Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:GnCxDG.JGr@lugnet.com... (...) No. I agree. Asked pretty much the same the other day (URL) no surprise that ignored it and carried on arguing. What is most annoying is that it seems (...) (23 years ago, 25-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Larry Pieniazek

(...) There's really nothing to debate. Scott's the twit who starts trouble whereever he goes. Go see lego.direct, for example, where his hateful slime caused a great deal of hurt within LD. My only chargable offense is that I let him get to me too (...) (23 years ago, 25-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Richard Marchetti

(...) You know how this line of reasoning ends, right? Some sort of discussion may well ensue to ban you both. Not one or the other, both. I wouldn't support anything else (or less) -- this is a "it takes two to tango" kinda thing. I will admit to (...) (23 years ago, 25-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Larry Pieniazek

(...) The problem with that line of reasoning is that it still leaves him starting wars and casting slime elsewhere. He's trouble of the MM sort. Not the same degree, but the same kind. It's not just me he starts trouble with, I'm just a lightning (...) (23 years ago, 25-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Richard Marchetti

(...) No, it leaves him talking to himself unless he can learn to play in a more friendly way. And it needs pointing out that I don't mind ALL of Scott's contributions, just some of them...esp. when you two start to go at it. (...) Larry, this is (...) (23 years ago, 25-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

LUGNET at risk —Larry Pieniazek

(...) If his mischief were confined to off-topic.debate I would readily agree. But it is not: (URL) stirred up trouble in a vile and malicious way and maliciously redirected his bile to the wrong newsgroup, repeatedly, despite several people's (...) (23 years ago, 25-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: LUGNET at risk —Tim Courtney

"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GnDq4w.EJq@lugnet.com... [snip] (...) to (...) demonstrated. (...) well (...) one (...) term (...) You have made the case many times that Scott contributes nothing positive to the (...) (23 years ago, 25-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: LUGNET at risk —Scott Arthur

(...) In the thread Larry mentions, I questioned a company who was apparently noisily giving a token amount to the WTC charity. I questioned their motives. Tim and John claimed that perhaps I was being insensitive. Perhaps I was. I welcome both John (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Scott Arthur

(...) You are deluded. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Scott Arthur

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Tim Courtney

NO NO NO NO NO!!! Don't you see the point of all of our posts expressing our COMPLETE DISGUST with the Scott and Larry Show???!?!!!?! All you're doing here is continuing it with half a dozen more PETTY BICKERING POSTS amed at Larry. Grow up, get a (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Scott Arthur

(...) Check the post dates. (...) Why is that people like you think it is OK for Larry to be a pest. But as soon as I defend myself I'm a "troll"? Is this the type of "debate" you want: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Maggie Cambron

(...) You all take this far too seriously. If you can detach yourselves a bit you'll see it's kind of like observing an exhibit of dung beetles in a glass case. They roll up great balls of dung, periodically have territorial fights and displays of (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Dung Beetles (was: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool) —Ross Crawford

(...) you'll (...) I think it's to do with relaxation - we can watch the fun, or ignore it if we desire. Sorta like the fish channel. Our local Melbourne broadcaster also plays fish swimming around when it has nothing else to show - and actually (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Dung Beetles (was: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool) —Richard Marchetti

(...) Ah, to be in Australia -- a sprawling landscape of free parking. A land where students roll into their numerous, and readily available parking spots mere moments before class begins. People lollygag and gather in small groups, discussing the (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) It's a good thing we have you here to make sure that the show goes on, then, isn't it. If you want the debate to die out, you may want to avoid joining it, and especially in that tone. I've seen you doing this a lot of times, BTW. You shout (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Tim Courtney

"Fredrik Glöckner" <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote in message news:m3pu65cvzh.fsf@...ldomain... (...) Yep. And its also a good thing we have people like Chris, Lawrence, Shiri, Richard, Lindsay, Frank, etc are here to do the same. (People who (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Whatever —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Yes, but do they care enough to do what needs to be done? And if they care, is that thing a doable thing just because they care? I don't think so. Any call for a penalty for anyone is just whistling in the wind because it's not the community (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Whatever —Richard Marchetti

Larry: I think that you are seeing your own role in this in too positive a light, I even perceive that you are trying to dress up your contest with Scott as somehow heroic on behalf of the greater community on your part. It just ain't so -- at least (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Whatever —Tim Courtney

"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GnFpB6.6pB@lugnet.com... (...) care, (...) not (...) Well, at least 17 people have approved. As for the rest of the people here? We will never know. Note, there's no longer a way of (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Whatever —Scott Arthur

(...) Larry, you are the troll here, not I. Do you seariouslsy doubt that? Really? What was this thread all about: (URL) was a troll to start the "god" debate *again*. (...) Rubbish. I mostly only post here or loc.uk. You have started more arguments (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Whatever —Horst Lehner

Hello Larry, it was sad for me to see things escalate in this way. I have by far not seen Scott as negative as you did, even saw some valid points in his posts. But then, being German, I may not be able to read between the lines as much as you do. I (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) So your noble intent is what permits you to add even more noise to the discussion? Does this work, BTW? Can you successfully fight noise with noise? (...) You are fairly frequently asking for the banning of people. You are also frequently (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Tim Courtney

"Fredrik Glöckner" <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote in message news:qrd667vdznp.fsf....uio.no... (...) Can you successfully fight fire with a well-timed, controlled fire you start yourself? (...) Before saying 'fairly frequently,' I'd certainly (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Dave Schuler

(...) Of course, but your analogy fails because the point of a controlled burn is to eliminate potential fuel, while verbal outbursts provide additional fuel. (...) And, to be fair, the calls for banishment have been directed at specific individuals (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Tim Courtney

"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:GnIMuw.Hwo@lugnet.com... (...) start (...) fuel. D'oh! :-) (...) your (...) people, (...) Ayup. -Tim (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) Sorry, I don't think I understand what you mean by this. Do you mean that you can make Scott go away by shouting at him? Please have me excused if that was not what you meant, as I'm unsure about your allegory. (...) Thankfully, the overall (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Tim Courtney

(...) Sorry, I didn't mean shouting, per se, but that it is possible to fight noise by reasoning with the person making the noise. (...) I have participated actively in calls for banishment regarding multiple people on LUGNET. But, the cases I have (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," the quote goes. We probably agree that you are frequently sharing your opinions on the (mis-)behavior of other people here. If you want some credibility with regards to your opinions on other (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Mark Sandlin

(...) What's really funny is people adding to the noise by telling people to quit making noise about noise. :^D ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Steve Runnels

(...) *KKKKeeeeerrrrsssssh...FFzzzzZZZ* ---SteveR (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —David Eaton

(...) Quiet down! I can't hear myself think! (I want some grey tiles) That's *better*. DaveE FUT fun (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —James Brown

(...) Try tin foil(1). It keeps the voices out for me. (...) Hmm. My tin foil must have a hole, this one got through. Either that, or I think the same thing. :) thanks, James (warning, impending awful pun...) 1:Or, depending on the source of the (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Tim Courtney

"James Brown" <galliard@shades-of-night.com> wrote in message news:GnIzqz.CAv@lugnet.com... (...) I (...) foil. (...) ROFL!! :-) -Tim (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Shiri Dori

(...) (ROFL!!!) I think I needed some of that, but it's okay now, since he's across the pond and as good as my ears are, he doesn't yell *that* loud! -Shiri (running for cover 'fore Tim sees this and launches one of those coast-to-coast ICBBs from (...) (23 years ago, 1-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) Not to mention the people making fun of people adding to the noise by telling people to quit making noise about noise. :-) "And their father's father's fathers!" (Spot the movie reference!) Fredrik (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Mark Sandlin

(...) Oklahoma! Oklahoma! Oklahoma! Oklahoma! Oklahoma! *bangs pot* ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Ross Crawford

(...) ?????? I thought it was Life of Brian????? ROSCO (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Robert M. Dye

in article sandlin-49DB89.07353...ugnet.com, Mark Sandlin at sandlin@nwlink.com wrote on 11/28/01 9:35 AM: (...) Oh, *do* be quiet... 8) Rob (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —John Neal

(...) Or... Class....class.....SHUT UP!!!!!!! <thank you> Anyone spot *that* one? -John FUT .fun (23 years ago, 30-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) I suppose it's obscure to Generation Xers, but that would be Sister Mary Elephant. I'm sure David! would have answered that, but.... Dave!'s not here. ;-) Bruce (23 years ago, 30-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —John Neal

(...) You are correct, Sir! :-) (...) I'm Dave! Come on-- Stop screwing around, I think the cops saw me.... <knock, knock> hehe literary one of my *all time* favorite bits! You Daolman, Bruce;-) (23 years ago, 30-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Whatever —Robert M. Dye

in article GnFpB6.6pB@lugnet.com, Larry Pieniazek at lpieniazek@mercator.com wrote on 11/26/01 6:57 PM: (...) Thus spake the Marvel comics villain. (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Frank Filz

I'll chime in here also as being sick of this. Part of me does want to slap both participants. Part of me realizes that much as I hate to single out folks, Scott seems to contribute almost nothing to Lugnet, except for an occasional interesting (...) (23 years ago, 25-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Scott Arthur

(...) I have made the choice only to post in a couple of groups. I read a great deal, but LUGENT is not the place it used to be. I agree that Larry does post more than me. The difference is, when I post outside this group I try to be 100% (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Dave Lovelace

(...) Hooray! I read all eighteen hundred posts in all seventy threads, and this is the only solitary one that actually refers to LEGO BLOCKS! Thanks, Frank!! You win!!! How has this perfectly fun little toy brand come to be a means to an end for (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —John Neal

(...) (I'll be the one to break the news) Nope. Frank loses. Mentioning LEGO in this NG is akin to mentioning "he who must not be named" (and I don't mean Voldemort.... you, know, what's his name.... okay, Hitler....D'oh!) (...) Well, don't come (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Dave Lovelace

(...) Ah, OK...sorry...you're right! Man. Talking to people about (or not about!) Lego is so, so much harder than just playing with Lego. I think I'll stick to the latter, and leave Hell to the demons. --Dave (jot and jab) xxx...xxx (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Mark de Kock

(...) Okay, please don't take offence, but where is one to start a discussion on the topic: "LEGO juniorization: Good or Bad"? I know it is not supposed to be here (off-offtopic as it is), but There is no Lugnet.On-topic.debate, is there? I want to (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —David Eaton

(...) Not really-- but there's numerous places to have that debate. lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.harrypotter, etc. Depends on who you're interested in debating, and which particulars you're debating. Juniorization in general? I'd throw (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —John Neal

(...) hehe I was wondering how the issue of juniorization would lead to a religious debate.... "If a loving God exists, why would He allow juniorization?", or using clones as proof for the existence of Satan....:-) -John <straying towards o.t.fun> (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Robert M. Dye

in article GnHDvJ.Dw9@lugnet.com, John Neal at John@TCLTC.org wrote on 11/27/01 4:45 PM: (...) Maybe we need lugnet.lego.religion.debate; "Doe the HAND exist, or not?" 8) Rob (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —John Neal

(...) You mean the "HOG" :-) -John (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Robert M. Dye

in article GnIq4K.5L2@lugnet.com, John Neal at John@TCLTC.org wrote on 11/28/01 10:07 AM: (...) I suppose...does that mean the hand of God? Rob (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —John Neal

(...) You got it, Toyota: (URL) (...) (23 years ago, 30-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) I've got to agree. But the crassness was cemented for me when Scott jumped on LD for the auctions--that was so very beyond the bounds of good taste, tact, and simple human empathy that I'm still astounded (but not entirely suprised, sadly). (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Scott Arthur

(...) My view on that still stands. Perhaps I should have bit my lip or showed more tact, but my view still stands. I'm afraid I would rather have unpopular views than change my views to represent public opinion. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Scott, Showed more tact! I guess there is nothing wrong with your thinking what you think. And there's nothing wrong with stating it in the right venue. And there's nothing wrong with exploring that idea with others in a productive way. But (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool —Scott Arthur

(...) None of us are perfect Chris. Staff groups can raise all the money they want for charity as far as I am concerned. I'm just not all that hot on companies using charity for cheap PR. Look at the time and effort LD spent on those auctions. Cost (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Was it a PR plug? (was: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool) —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) They had to announce the auction. I mean, it only makes sense. Further, letting us all know that by bidding on those items, we could be helping the victims of 911 only makes sense too. That doesn't make it a cheap PR plug. (...) How could _I_ (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Was it a PR plug? (was: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool) —Scott Arthur

(...) From the ebay LD page: ==+== LEGO Shop At Home LEGO Shop At Home features the newest items, plus hard to find toys, reissued classics, and special items not available in any store. LEGO Shop At Home offers the fastest, most convenient way to (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Was it a PR plug? (was: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool) —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) So? Do you have an eBay page? Do you list information that will help you to get better sales? (...) Sure. (...) Probably a little. (...) I imagine it would depend on the mechanism behind this hypothetical "chance of negative PR." Now I get to (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Was it a PR plug? (was: It's brawl night in the kiddie pool) —Scott Arthur

(...) Not measurably better. No lives have been saved. But sure, I agree there will have been a benefit. (...) No. (...) No. (...) I don't really think that is where the UN's skills lie. I'd be a little worried if the UN chose to help that cause in (...) (23 years ago, 26-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)