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What if Honest Abe had had Powerpoint available to him? (URL) some background (URL) a very controversial book (URL) if this is all old news to you all. It had me snickering (and I've been told I "give good foil" as we used to say in IBM)... (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 1) That's not the best reason to dislike it, 2) I know what forum that's from... :-) so what do you think of habnut's recent action? Was ryu being babyish or justified given everything? (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This guy reminds me of the Iraqi propaganda guy - what was his name? (URL) (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well that's all fine and dandy if he says "Look I'm gonna do some short term wrongs here, but I'm convinced in the long term it'll be alright" but I don't hear him saying that. "It's right to hold these suspected terrorist/conspirators without (...) (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhhh but you're only looking at the point of impact as defining the arrow, but in fact its probably more physical things about the arrow that define it. And these are unlikely to change much no matter how they're influenced in their flight. (...) (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi-O! I never pegged you as a cheapshot artist, Dave! Will you be here all weekend;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) FINE!!! I admit it (again)-- the US and Israel aren't perfect!!! I am so tired of the comparisons to perfection! It's stupid to discuss! (...) My presence in this NG hangs by a thread as The Fates saw away. If not for the participation of a (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Aren't puns "off-topic" for this newsgroup? ;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) First of all, George W. Bush already has parents, so there's no need to adopt him. Secondly, the "nature vs. nurture" argument generally involves comparisons between individuals very similar to each other except regarding a specific range of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just going thru this in my mind-- Nature is basically the 'building blocks' you are given at birth--hair colour, sex, height--and yes, nature changes your appearance as you row older, but, if I understand genetics properly, that change is pretty (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, if we have parents raise a racoon, I favour nature as well... That said, you raise a racoon in a house with humans, that racoon would behave substantially different as an adult than a racoon raised by other racoons "out in the woods". So (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote: <snip> (...) A tangent-- I read many newsgroups, and someone's .siggy file caought my eye--it says "I don't believe in capital punishment anymore for when was the last time you saw a rich person get (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cites validate an idea inasmuch as the idea has some substance supporting it. Whether or not the idea is valid is up to the contrary side to prove. As I hear in other avenues, "saying something is wrong doesn't make it wrong." I once read a (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Since I'm still slummin in .debate for now, I figure I just can't ignore this little nugget. Care to discuss why you give the advantage to nurture? I mean, if I were to adopt a monkey for instance, I'd tend to say "advantage nature". Which (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does it really matter who or what money? The fact that it's possible, and the previously linked article demonstrates that it's already happening means that the ICC is being influenced by money. That needs fixing before the ICC will ever work. (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Aren't MOCs "on topic" for this newsgroup? ;-) Pedro (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) That hasn't bothered rich countries from joining in thus far. Richer than the US, per capita, I might add. So whose money, bribing whom, to what end? If it were for money alone, the ICC would be swamped in trials already. (...) The EU has had (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, since "business performance" may reasonably be interpreted as the measure of the company's ability to sustain higher profits, it's not really a lie. Further, I don't think it's a sin for a company to be motivated by the desire to make (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) Just tossing out cites does not in and of itself "prove the case"... You need to actually make a cogent argument that comes to a particular conclusion, and the cites then serve as evidence in support of your claims, assuming they themselves (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I haven't forgotten, Lar! I was in "mock mode" with my comment with no intention whatsoever in engaging Scott on these topics. (...) I love the notion here in this group that if one produces a cite, it somehow validates an idea. Reminds me of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Whereas I usually concur with you, Larry, it seems as of late that Scott had developed a debate style in which his points are backed up and cited, as is hte case with this particular arguement. If the counter arguement to this debate is 'ride (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) When uttered by Scott, "Easy" and "prove me wrong" don't belong anywhere near each other. He happens to be mostly right (about the Bush II Admin and the great stink emanating from it) this time, but when he's wrong about something, proving it (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ride, Ride, Ride! JOHN (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yep. With the US being a large market for LEGO, I wonder how much the weakness of the USD is affecting TLC ? I'm sure there are all kinds of hedges and plays to protect the repatriation of earnings, but still. Ray (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) Thanks for the link. It highlights yet another reason the world is not yet ready for a global court system. Money. Until the economic disparity in the world is reduced significantly, there is too great a possiblilty that economically (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See: (URL) United States has suspended over $47m in military aid to 35 countries that have not signed deals to grant American soldiers immunity from prosecution for war crimes... ...The US does not recognise the ICC, saying its forces could be (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Works for me now! Thanks. I liked this: "The company said the firings were necessary due to thin business this year and that it expected continuing weak performance in 2004. Lego employs 8,000 people worldwide." Obviously, the company will (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) Nice try, but when I entered "Amnesty International Iraq Humiliating Video" in their search engine I got *Zero* links. That's what I'm talking about with the internet erroding the news archives, because I'm pretty sure they did have a news (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm...it works for me. I also tried going to the main page ((URL) and entering "lego" in the search box. Anyone else having difficultly viewing the article? -- Thomas Main thomasmain@myrealbox.com (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) Scott A (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mark Tarrabain wrote: <snip> (...) Recently this discussion between Douglas R. Clark and Mark Tarrabain brought up some issues about trust and corporate motivation. It was taken to .debate, but I would like to return it (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) Presumably Wesley has seen evidence of this act of "belligerency"? If so, why not put Padilla on trial! Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Try: (URL) :) (...) The international criminal court; Bush refuses to sign up to it as your countrymen *could* end up in jail *if* they commit war crimes. Frankly, I feel war criminals belong in jail! Scott A (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Easy: Prove me wrong. Scott A (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How could one sleep with your incessant SOS rants? JOHN (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If I remember correctly, you asked “What *POSSIBLE* reason would TLC lie?”. Well I gave you some possible reasons. You did not ask for probable, plausible or credible reasons. I answered your question fairly, and you attack me instead? Heck, I (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's right. I mean, how do you work with the ones that change their colors based on the whims of some focus group. (...) Yeah what I really want to talk about (the way to handle new colors in LDRAW) has gone underground with the LSC. I'm (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wonder, though, what will prevent Dubya in his Imperial zeal, from simply throwing the matter to a non-public military tribunal? He certainly has no qualms about secrecy in these matters. (...) What the heck qualifies as belligerency? Does (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Let's see if it sticks, and if Rummy can follow directions, but this is a bit of good news: From: (URL) Bush (news - web sites) does not have power to detain American citizen Jose Padilla, the former gang member seized on U.S. soil, as an enemy (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott never does that. :-) Neither do any of the rest of us here. ;-) (...) Rule #1 if you see a big nesting, deeper than 3 or 4, and it's you and Scott(1), and you're not getting anywhere with your point, give up. (...) International Criminal (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since it's illegal to threaten the life of the president of the US, I shall not tell you how I interpreted that line... That said, I do not believe that Dubya did anything that would warrant such a measure. If he did what he did out of the (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Heh, beat you to it. (URL) Your point is facile. Even if nobody did condemn the way US troops were (...) I'm not sure I made a point, other than that google is not the best way to search for old news. I did find it before you did though, or (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not what I said (or at least not what I thought I said). I thought I said he gives the appearance (to me) of someone who believes what he's doing is right. As for myself, I find the lucrative buddy contracts questionable, and I can't (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some might suggest putting Dubya in front of something else... Dave! (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So Bush talks about Freedom and Liberty whist funding gross human rights abuses in places like Uzbekistan & Israel and you think he is not "dishonest"? He hands out "lucrative" contracts to his buddies and you think he is not corrupt? Wake up, (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Some do, some don't. Old saying, not sure of the attribution or exact phrasing: "I like my politicians honest... that is, once they're bought,they STAY bought." ++Lar (noting that for someone who doesn't hang in Debate much, Don seems to be (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You really are grasping a staws; from their (URL) site>: "The treatment of prisoners of war, again the rules of war are fairly clear, all parties, all sides are expected to treat the prisoners humanely and in accordance with international (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually I think I see him seeing himself as a father figure. To me, he at least appears to believe he's doing the right thing. Whether he is or not, only time will tell. Most other political figures leave me with the impression that they know (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wait, I found it. (URL) like this Bush quote from that article. "If not, the people who mistreat the prisoners will be treated as war criminals," he said Sunday morning. (...) I imagine someone will try to take him up on his suggestion. (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow! I'm no expert, but you appear to be seeing Bush as a father figure. Dreams can be really weird at times! Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank you. That's half of the answer I was looking for. Does anyone have a link where the same impartial humanitarian organization declares the Al-Jazeera footage humiliating? I found some hints with a quick google search, but nothing quite as (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) yes> Scott A Or is this just the media trying to spice up (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Doh! The clonemeister's been scooped! I thought it had been established somewhere that MEGABLOKS used some lesser manner of styrene other than ABS, but I could easily be mistaken. There was a thread in OT-Clones a while back about Ritvik's (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah that's annoying, but just the sort of thing the media loves to broadcast. How do you stop them? Anyhow, my question remains: Has the "Red Cross or any other impartial humanitarian organization" ever actually identified any of the video on (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yup, Iran is a nice liberal democracy all right... (URL) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, the pesky WoMD... I figure they all were sequestered to an undisclosed location. Perhaps in Sweden. Maybe we should invade Sweden to go check. OK, who's in? As for this from the Beeb article where Blix talks about the WoMD that was (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I get the impression that Cheney's hideyholes tend to be a bit posher, but ya... history is written by the victors, after all (or the apparent victors at the time of writing, in this case)... (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good question. I know there was an uproar when US POW's in Iraq were featured even briefly on Al-Jazeera, for example. Hussein was able, according to reports, to identify himself as "the President of Iraq" to his American captors, so this (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (ABS is "Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene" for those that don't remember... it's a polystyrene variant/alloy) What ARE they made of? I was pretty sure they were ABS too, just a different formulation. Are they made of some sort of styrene (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey, an excuse to read (ok skim) the Geneva Convention. Cool. (...) But what about this? ( from (URL) ) "Prisoners of war who, owing to their physical or mental condition, are unable to state their identity, shall be handed over to the medical (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What ever happened to all those maps, satellite imagery, intelligence reports and eye witness accounts which pinpointed exactly where the weapons were? Have they been lost? (URL) Yesterday:> Balir: "The Iraq Survey Group has already found (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ok Larry, you've ruined the metaphor. That's cheating. I think a 50 year old grown up little boy ought to be able to handle a 50 year old expired tiger. I thought that was the plan. Feed the tiger and keep it sleepy until the little boy grows (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ABS can vary in quality, but it's irrelevant in this example, because MEGABLOKS aren't made from ABS. Dave! (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) Rumsfeld claimed that Saddam would be treated as a POW under the Geneva Convention, but that Convention has already been violated by the endless broadcasting of humiliating video and photos of Saddam following his capture. (...) Heh. The (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this is why Dubya is keeping such a "I have my own opinion but I'll keep it to myself and let the Iraqis decide..." I mean, the hypocricy can only go so far... "Hey! Look over there!! We captured SH!! Don't look over here, what with (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The (URL) Darwin Awards> would suggest we are safe. Scott A (21 years ago, 17-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) They would be opening themselves up to lawsuits whether or not they admitted to a problem of this... not divulging this information if it were true would be even worse for them. LEGO's been around too long as a company now to not have regard (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Should Saddam should get a fair trial in Iraq? Whether he does or not, well we'll see I guess, but that seems to be what Dubya wants. I'm just wondering whether the many non-US citizens who've been held in Guantanamo Bay for over 2 year without (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can think of several possible reasons that Lego would lie. Generally companies call it public relations or spin though. The following situations are all hypothetical examples. 1. IF the "real" reason for the color change was that it was (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) yep. IF the tiger was safely in a sturdy cage, the little boy could go somewhere else if he wanted, and taunting was all that was being done. But this tiger is uncaged and unrestrained, can't be escaped from easily, and has said for 50 years (...) (21 years ago, 17-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now I don't normally like to post here in debate, but the local story about the 10 year old boy mauled to death by a tiger was giving me nightmares last night. As dreams would go, this debate item somehow entered the picture. It occured to me (...) (21 years ago, 17-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was thinking that when my appendix explodes, I want him in the OR. I sometimes have this little list going on in my mind--"There's dumb (which I seem to fall into sometimes...), and then there's *really* dumb...." like a bad MAD comic. If (...) (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand that NASA is taking applications for rocket scientists again... he can probably save himself the cost of a stamp there. (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) licence suspended for life for stealing cars and driving whilst intoxicated He wants his stuff back from the county pen... "Hey, come on over to pick it up" says officer So he does, by stealing a car and showing the revolked drivers licence. (...) (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) May the farce be with you, Dave! JOHN (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I found this interesting: (URL) What are odious debts?> "If a despotic power incurs a debt not for the needs or in the interest of the State, but to strengthen its despotic regime, to repress the population that fights against it, etc., this (...) (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I was trying to preempt objections along the lines of "that's ridiculous, Hussein didn't really say that." But you're right--my phrasing was a little unclear, and I am in fact I'm all for farce. So farce so good, I say. Dave! (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Oh, and another thing, only marginally related, I deplore the ambiguity about Taiwan that seems so favored in Foggy Bottom. If I was driving I'd come out and say "Taiwan is free, you're not. They want to be independent, that's fine with us, and you (...) (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You say "farce" like it's a bad thing... It's farce all right, but farce based on the truth, and that's the best (or worst, depending on whose ox is being gored) kind. Realpolitik is just a bad idea. Always was. Better to be principled even if (...) (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) My favorite part: Saddam was also heartened by Mr. Bush's promise that, "The capture of Saddam Hussein does not mean the end of violence in Iraq." With new attacks by and on US and other foreign occupation forces, the former strongman stated, (...) (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Some will be too quick to dismiss (URL) this article> as farce, but the underlying story is worth reflection. Dave! (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think it still has legs! (...) Indeed the Bolsheviks and East Germany(?) did cancel their international debt (as well as nationalise industry and seize land) when they took power; being raving communists they had little sympathy for the (...) (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's if the company has no assetts. Iraq has assets; I doubt the war would have happened otherwise. ;) Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The company/CEO analogy is a bit squiffy, we're talking about soverign nations, not corporations which presumably are a bit more constrained and tend to make contracts, not treaties. So it ought to be ditched as not very appropriate The proper (...) (21 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Depends if the old CEO is responsible for bringing the company to its knees. Often when companies go into receivership the creditors receive a miniscule portion of what is owed. But generally those creditors are not barred from helping to (...) (21 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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From Reuters: ((URL) ) - quote - When asked about the U.S. dollar's fall in value and market concerns about the deficit, Bush said: "We certainly need to send a signal to the capital markets that we're going to maintain spending discipline." - end (...) (21 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why indeed. Sorry. :-0 Scott A Have you had a look at Arthurs Seat Yet? (2 URLs) (...) (21 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't believe it belongs in .general either. I imagine it was an honest mistake, not a deliberate attempt to stir up controversy or circumvent the topic guidelines, although I could be wrong. LUGNET doesn't enable you to just pick up a post (...) (21 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Who else should pay it. When a company gets a new CEO, does its debt usually get wiped? (...) That may be a reason for some *individuals* to appose the invasion. However, it does not explain the millions across the world who opposed the war; (...) (21 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not really surprised are you. (...) Wait why would Iraq have a debt? Saddam's regime had a debt but what does that have to do with Iraq? Of course that is the only reason certain countries opposed military action in the first place. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's put some fresh meat on these bones: (URL) Iraqi civilian deaths 'avoidable'> ==+== Human Rights Watch raises some serious questions about the way in which specific weapons were employed. It strongly criticises the use of cluster (...) (21 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I liked this: (URL) Scott A (21 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hmm. One would think that open competitive bids would be in the best interests of US tax payers and Iraq citizens? Heard the latest: (URL) Oil firm 'overcharged' US in Iraq> Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mmmmmm. I understand that these conditions (who may supply under these contracts) are in respect of the aid money being provided by the US. It would not be unheard of for donors to impose these sorts of conditions when giving money. I guess (...) (21 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is an interesting question in the macro-sense: can the debts of a government that is overthrown be collected, especially if that government was corrupt and engaged in wholesale theft of its nation's resources? Is it comparable to a (...) (21 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) is very simple. Our people risk their lives. Friendly coalition folks risk their lives. And, therefore, the contracting is going to reflect that. And that is what the US taxpayers expect," Surprise, surprise, the invasion was more about (...) (21 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh but of course... People speaking their minds is only good when they favour US policy. Eh, whatever. If you don't get this man out of office--if he wins in '04, heaven help the rest of the world. Dave K (21 years ago, 11-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) Taiwan defends China referendum> It appears Bush is trying to suppress a Taiwanese referendum to please his new friends in China.... perhaps the Taiwanese should only be allowed Chinese style democracy? Scott A (21 years ago, 11-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Geez, the guy gets airlifted into/out of a war zone and he still needs his mother to stick up for him? Oh, that's right... "major hostilities" ended several months ago. (...) That's Senator FLOTUS to you! - Chris. (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Chris Phillips wrote: <snip> (...) Yeah, but she feels "terrible" that all this death and destruction's going on--at least from what I read earlier this week, and the Prez's ma, the former first lady, wants folks to stop (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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