 | | Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Lee Meyer
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| | | Lee Meyer Custom Set: Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft. 2 figures; 6 computers; cool symmetry, very sleek body style; lift windscreens for crew access; 2 huge engines; 2 lasers/2 missiles for covert ops. Based on Collin Harvey's "Inlander" ship. (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Kevin Blocksidge
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| | | | | (...) Hi. Did you check with Collin before rampantly stealing (URL) his design> for your own profit? I mean, I like (URL) bunnies> and all, but this doesn't even appear to be the first time you've done this: (URL) Tim Deering's Discus> --> (URL) (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.space, FTX) !!
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| | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Lee Meyer
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| | | | | | (...) Hi Kevin, your note is condescending and frankly, I have nothing to answer to you for. I credited Collin for his work. Not that its any of your business, but I did try to find contact info for Collin and couldn't find it. I also did contact (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.space, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) I think the main issue here is that you're not giving credit where it's due, although you've gotten better at it lately, not with the tone of Kevin's note, or with the tone of your reply, although those certainly merit some examination. (...) (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.space, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Lee Meyer
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| | | | | | | | I certainly wouldn't expect anything less from you, Larry. I don't think we've been on the same side of an issue more than once. You nicely overlook the "have you no shame" commment that really got my ire up. Judge jury and executioner all rolled up (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Well, there's a difference between a small technique and a whole MOC. Take Lego's skate park and MegaBlok's: (URL) not even as similar as your designs are to their original creators', but it was still (as I hear) worthy of a lawsuit. I imagine (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Kevin Heckel
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| | | | | | | | | (...) What do Larry's opinions have to do with it? (...) The *issue* is... (...) Shouldn't that tip you off as to how close to go before giving credit? (...) Very evident. (...) There's a difference between, say, borrowing someone's joint tech (like (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Jason Spears
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I won't overlook that comment. I agree with Kevin. I don't think you have any shame. I think you look around Brickshelf and Lugnet and see cool creations and think "Hey I could make a few copies of that and make some money!" (...) Borrowing (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Lee Meyer
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| | | | | | | | | | Anybody can view the ships I offer for sale and see most of them are not based on anyone else's designs. As far as the delta dart, Jason, I thought I had put a line in there crediting your design. I have added that. I see posts of many similar (if (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Steve Runnels
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You sir, are a moron. ***...*** IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR MORONS ***...*** Copying something and ***THEN SELLING IT*** is the problem. ***...*** END IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR MORONS ***...*** Although, I don't see much more than canopy design (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX) !
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart — Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | Notice that I've put my Admin identity on for just this post. When I am done, I'll go back to being a real person with real opinions, but not in this post. (...) OK, let's take it down a notch please. While this conversation has had some strong (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Daniel Rubin
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| | | | | | | | | A few people have pointed out some legal possibilities here, and I thought I'd fill in some blanks, having just completed a few IP classes in lawschool. One, someone could sue Lee for copyright infringement if they think one of his designs is a copy (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Michael Hall
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I have to agree with everyone else. There is a difference between using others' techniques and copying. Changing one or two small things is still copying the original. I backed off a LED Luke Skywalker idea I wanted to sell a few months ago (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Terry Prosper
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I can't comment on anything legal about this issue, nor about the lack (or need of) shame required to do what Lee is doing with these models. Based on what I can see from this thread, it is apparent to me that Lee copied many MOCs from other (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Jason Spears
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) 1st - How do you know he doesn't have the "necessary" proofs? 2nd - Noone here at Lugnet is a "moderator", as it has been stressed many times before, Lugnet doesn't moderate (censor) posts. He is a member of the Lugnet Transition Team, but (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Terry Prosper
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Hello Jason To answer your first question, I don't know if anyone here has any proofs. I made that clear in my previous post and I did say I was merely giving an opinion based on what I read, which didn't mention the fact that there was (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Mark Neumann
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) (2 URLs) Howdy, This is really interesting, takes me back to good old college days when we talked about plagerism. And begs the question where do we draw the line? Where does taking an idea and using it become plagerism. How far is that line. (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Chris's SMAC was influenced exclusively by this: (URL) -Grand Admiral .space Curator (URL) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Kevin Blocksidge
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Agreed. Furthermore, I believe Chris drew inspiration exclusively from this picture: (URL) Both are fine ships, as well. (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Terry Prosper
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I hope you guys (including Marc Sandlin) didn't think I thought i was copied on! As I said, my ship and Chris' are similar, but i don't think he even saw mine when he did his. I never meant to accuse Chris, let that be clear please! I was (...) (20 years ago, 18-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Spot on. Personally, I think this is a bit of a storm in a teacup. I don't think any of these models actually sell do they? A (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I would like to add some clarification on this: A curator is someone who provides upkeep to a particular newsgroup, such as keeping the sidebar links up-to-date, etc. This position carries no particular authority, except as a bully pulpit. (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Douglas R. Clark
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Giving Lee the benefit of the doubt, it is clear he doesn't understand the difference between copying someone's construction techniques and copying someone else's designs. Furthermore he does not understand the legal/moral differences between (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Kevin Blocksidge
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Indeed. As an example of this: When Ryan Wood decided to sell kits of his (URL) Floating Heads Sportscar>, he first contacted Tim Deering, creater of the floating heads. If I am not mistaken, Tim was very cordial and of course allowed Ryan to (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Gil Shaw
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Actually, this is not true. Why just the other day I saw both strip to the waist and fight like psuedo-men....sort of 'Fight Club' meets 'Gamesters of Triskellion'. Well....fight like slightly perturbed kittens, anyway. (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Keith Goldman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Gil, nice Gamesters reference. I'll put 400 quatloos on the newcomer! -Keith (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Daniel Rubin
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) The above is somewhat mistaken. While selling, or theoretically creating, a moc based on a Gunstar would require the permission of the ownere (the movie company most likely) this doesn't mean that the first MOC maker doesn't also have IP here. (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Douglas R. Clark
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) more snip-age (...) Thanks for the info. I guess I was considering that a moot point since neither one of them had obtained the film company's permission first. I think that is something worth discussing since to achieve the end result of a (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Daniel Rubin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Independant discovery is a defense that works for copyright violation, including copyright protection of design. The problem here is that if you are defending an infringement suit, you have to prove that you didn't have constructive access to (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Hmm, is a MOC actually covered by copyright? It may only be protected by design patents, which I don't think are automatic. Are sculptures protected by copyright? Frank (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Douglas R. Clark
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm obviously not an IP lawyer. My impression is that Lucasfilm owns the copyrights to the image/design of an X-wing. Lego could not produce a kit that resembles anything like an x-wing without first obtaining Lucas's permission. Likewise I (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Daniel Rubin
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes, sculptures are covered by copyright, and there are also some artist rights, retained by the artist even after selling the sculpture and all copyrights to it. Design Patent protection is not automatic, and it's expensive and has a limited (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Sid Dinsay
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| | | | | | | | (...) So... what you are saying is that you first appropriated their designs... THEN waited for them to notice... THEN gave them credit? Isn't that like stealing something, waiting for the victim to notice the theft, then giving the victim credit (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Kevin Blocksidge
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| | | | | | | (...) It is condescrending, because you deserve such treatment. You are a thief. My first post did not outright say it so clearly, but after reading your various responses, you have proven it. You knowingly copy the designs of others for personal (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Lee Meyer
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Kevin Blocksidge wrote: SNIP (...) Hi Kevin, I think you are correct in terms of your suggestions, as I believe it really is not worth it to sell other people's designs that I have modified or based ships on. Clearly from (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Bruce Hietbrink
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| | | | | | | (...) Now this couldn't have been that hard to find, could it? Collin is one of the most prominent members of FBTB. Here is his profile: (URL) includes a private message link. Given that Brickshelf no longer gives full names, you must have had some (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Anne Carasik
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| | | | | | (...) I really have been thinking of not replying to this until I read your response. Now I think you should listen up. As someone who has borrowed from designs, and had my designed modified and borrowed as well, I don't mind someone doing that (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Ondrew Hartigan
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| | | | | (...) please send all future replys to this thread to lugnet.off-topic.debate. it no longer belongs in buy-sell-trade. ondrew (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —William R. Ward
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| | | | | | (...) It is most certainly on-topic for LEGO. It should be in lugnet.market.theory. Followup to lugnet.admin.nntp. (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.admin.nntp, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart —Collin Harvey
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| | | | Well... all righty. Being the original creator of this model, let me first say that I'm oddly flattered that someone thinks enough of my design to... well, steal it. On that note, dude, you stole my work. And despite my big, hairy, tough 22-year-old (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)
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