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Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart
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Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:18:22 GMT
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I certainly wouldn’t expect anything less from you, Larry. I don’t think we’ve been on the same side of an issue more than once. You nicely overlook the “have you no shame” commment that really got my ire up. Judge jury and executioner all rolled up into one one that sentence.

The fact is, I have adopted design techniques and made ships that have much in common with other peoples’ creations. I have credited some, some after they contacted me asking if I based a design on one of their ships. I just don’t think people are sitting around here waiting for credits when someone else uses a technique they use. Why are we all not crediting the guy/gal who first began SNOT every time we build a ship with SNOT techniques? How about the guy who first used wheels as engines?

It isn’t your place or anyone else’s place to question me and prejudge me if I have credited another’s design. It is my call, just like it’s your call if you do. If I don’t think it’s a big enough thing, I don’t believe I must credit someone else. We all have to determine what ‘big enough’ is. Nobody here owns a certain technique and technically, nobody here is required to credit anyone else, although I do think it is a nice thing to do. That’s why I did on my recent ship, and why I should have initially on the Delta Dart fighter.

Your glib, sarcastic response about “Well how many ships have you copied, and I’ll estimate how many you need to credit” line really tells me what you’re all about. Thanks for being such a thoughtful person.

Lee



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  Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart
 
(...) Well, there's a difference between a small technique and a whole MOC. Take Lego's skate park and MegaBlok's: (URL) not even as similar as your designs are to their original creators', but it was still (as I hear) worthy of a lawsuit. I imagine (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)  
  Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart
 
(...) What do Larry's opinions have to do with it? (...) The *issue* is... (...) Shouldn't that tip you off as to how close to go before giving credit? (...) Very evident. (...) There's a difference between, say, borrowing someone's joint tech (like (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)  
  Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart
 
(...) I won't overlook that comment. I agree with Kevin. I don't think you have any shame. I think you look around Brickshelf and Lugnet and see cool creations and think "Hey I could make a few copies of that and make some money!" (...) Borrowing (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)  
  Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart
 
A few people have pointed out some legal possibilities here, and I thought I'd fill in some blanks, having just completed a few IP classes in lawschool. One, someone could sue Lee for copyright infringement if they think one of his designs is a copy (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)  
  Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart
 
(...) I have to agree with everyone else. There is a difference between using others' techniques and copying. Changing one or two small things is still copying the original. I backed off a LED Luke Skywalker idea I wanted to sell a few months ago (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)  
  Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart
 
(...) I can't comment on anything legal about this issue, nor about the lack (or need of) shame required to do what Lee is doing with these models. Based on what I can see from this thread, it is apparent to me that Lee copied many MOCs from other (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)  
  Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart
 
(...) Giving Lee the benefit of the doubt, it is clear he doesn't understand the difference between copying someone's construction techniques and copying someone else's designs. Furthermore he does not understand the legal/moral differences between (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)  
  Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart
 
(...) So... what you are saying is that you first appropriated their designs... THEN waited for them to notice... THEN gave them credit? Isn't that like stealing something, waiting for the victim to notice the theft, then giving the victim credit (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)  

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  Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart
 
(...) I think the main issue here is that you're not giving credit where it's due, although you've gotten better at it lately, not with the tone of Kevin's note, or with the tone of your reply, although those certainly merit some examination. (...) (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.space, FTX)  

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