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Re: Proposal: New Parts Category for round parts
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lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw
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Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:00:05 GMT
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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Steve Bliss writes:
> In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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> > In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Steve Bliss writes:
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> > <mostly snipped>
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> > I agree pretty much with everything Steve wrote here. As I said before, as a
> > USER I'd rather have a multiattribute shape/connectivity based system rather
> > than "pirate hull" and "destroyer droid" based names.
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> Thanks for the support.
>
> Except for the sailing ship hulls, I feel it will be better (ie, better
> for users) to go with the intuitive name. "Boat Bow X x Y x Z", "Boat
> Stern X x Y x Z".[1] Possibly with a modifier somewhere, to indicate
> that these are the SPUD hulls, not brick- or plate-style.
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> > > But here's an example of a usage-based name that's un-useful: "Train
> > > Catenary Holder". People have asked time and time again where to find
> > > this part, when they're modeling their space robots, or dragons, or Town
> > > creation.
> >
> > Your example is wrong! If it were "Catenary" maybe I'd have a prayer of
> > finding it (because I know Trains better than some) but it isn't.
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> So sorry. I was too lazy to make sure I was using the right(wrong)
> speeling. :\
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> > It's "CaNtenary" (which is spelled wrong), or at least it was, and that has
> > gotten propagated into many other places, so even if I *knew* the incorrect
> > association (this part is a PANTOGRAPH SHOE not a catenary holder... A
> > catenary holder would be a thing that bolts onto poles and holds the power
> > wire (that is, it holds catenary), not a thing mounted on trains that
> > contacts wires, for goodness sake!) I *still* might not find it.
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> I was using this part: <http://guide.lugnet.com/parts/search.cgi?q=2880>
> for the example. This part gets used in a wide variety of contexts, in
> Train, Town, and Space. Hence my comment about "robot claws" (see
> <http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6889>).
Urp. um yes... but then the proper name of this part is "Pantograph Shoe
Holder" if one uses a trainish naming... as what it holds is pantograph shoes
> From your description, you were talking about
> <http://guide.lugnet.com/parts/search.cgi?q=2881>. Which suffers from
> similiar name-challenges, but is a much less common part.
and this part would be "Pantograph Shoe"
But of course a much better name for this is something more like "rod double
with bent ends and 2 finger clip" or something.
> > So please don't go with theme based names or even worse set based names.
> > This CAD user implores those arguing against logical names to reconsider
> > their position. That way lies madness.
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> I will generally go for attribute/geometric names, except when that
> approach gives much worse results than usage/theme/intuitive names.
We're in agreement. My bone is with Joshua, an extremely clever fellow in
most every respect, except when he's wrong. :-)
> And parts authors are encouraged to make extensive use of KEYWORDS
> entries, to help people when they are searching for parts.
Yes please.
See also the brickbay discussion groups where we are wrangling over
nomenclature as well. There is a significant faction that does not want to
use LDraw names because they are too confusing and too slow to get
corrected. I would use them even if they are confusing because consistency
is good. If Brickbay ends up with a different nomenclature (even if it's
better) that's bad.
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