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| | | (URL) The Teachings of Jesus> section of (URL) The Brick Testament website> has now come to completion with the addition of nine new illustrated teachings: (2 URLs) Peace> (2 URLs) Family> (2 URLs) Faith> (2 URLs) Prayer> (2 URLs) Hypocrisy> (2 (...) (18 years ago, 14-Oct-06, to lugnet.announce.moc, lugnet.build.ancient, lugnet.town, FTX) !!
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| | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Bruce Hietbrink
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| | | | | Hey Brendan, Dang you! Every time you post a new installment it makes me feel horrid over my own long-neglected projects. On Peace - Great implementation of the Lowell Sphere! On Family - How did you get Jesus' arms out like that? Did you cheat with (...) (18 years ago, 15-Oct-06, to lugnet.build.ancient, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | Hi, Bruce! (...) Gosh, and I felt crappy about there being a three month gap between this update and the last for The Brick Testament. Sometimes you just need to lock yourself in a room full of LEGOs and a camera for a couple of weeks and not come (...) (18 years ago, 15-Oct-06, to lugnet.build.ancient, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Nelson Yrizarry
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| | | | | (...) SNIP Great installment, Rev! I like the interjected humor, such as in "On Faith". Pearls before swine... :) "Big Daddy" Nelson (18 years ago, 15-Oct-06, to lugnet.build.ancient, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks, BDN. I've long been a fan of your vignettes. I know I've commented before on a few of them, but I was just looking through your Brickshelf folder and really enjoyed the heck out of a few I had missed: (URL) Flesh Peddler> (URL) (...) (18 years ago, 15-Oct-06, to lugnet.build.ancient, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Harvey Henkelman
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| | | | | Brendan, you've outdid yourself yet again ...and they call themselves christians lol -HRH (18 years ago, 15-Oct-06, to lugnet.build.ancient, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks, Harvey. (...) Who, Christians? Yeah, I suppose they do have a tendency to do that. If Christians went around saying they weren't Christians, why that would be so very hypocritical, now wouldn't it? -Brendan (18 years ago, 15-Oct-06, to lugnet.build.ancient, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Molly Friedrich
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| | | | | Your site is really getting amazing! I remember back when it started, but I have to say I am struck at how much content you've made and how good you are getting at the more subtle humor aspects of it! wow. hilarious, and the Lego illustrations are (...) (18 years ago, 15-Oct-06, to lugnet.build.ancient, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks, Molly! (...) An old-timer, eh? (...) Much appreciated, thanks. It's as fun as ever to work on, and I do hope I've continued to improve on the presentations of the stories. (...) Thanks for the encouragement. -Brendan (18 years ago, 15-Oct-06, to lugnet.build.ancient, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | In lugnet.announce.moc, Brendan Powell Smith wrote: SNIP Hey Brendan, This is great work as usual. I don't think I replied last time, but the scenes with Osama accepting Gifts from Bush (and most of the other scenes in that series) made me laugh (...) (18 years ago, 16-Oct-06, to lugnet.build.ancient)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | | (...) Thanks, Samarth. (...) It is out of context in the strict sense of the term. The same could be said of any of the illustrated passages from Jesus's Teachings, but the same must also be said of anyone else's quoting of Jesus's teachings, (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Eh, do yourself a favor and learn about the Bible from credible commentary, or the source itself. BPS must even cringe at that revelation. JOHN (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) That's good advice for believers, too. And if you don't read the Old Testament for yourself, how will you learn which incense to burn to keep from being immolated by the Lord's wrath? Dave! (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Don't forget the rules on toes and scales for what you can eat. Tim (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Do you mean "to have been kept"? The Old Testament contains a lot of historical information, including ancient worship practices, which have changed over time as cultures have changed/evolved. The important part to glean is that God never (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'll need to find the passage again. It's been a while. But anyway, why is a loving and merciful God immolating anybody in the first place? Heck, by that metric, I'm more loving and merciful than God. (...) Sorry, but that's as much a (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, the only human immolating that went on that among the Israelites that I know of is the call for the sacrifice of Isaac (which was recanted anyway). Still, I would explain such interpretations of God's will as just that-- contextual to (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | | | Hi, John. (...) I've seen you draw this distinction in other posts here, and meant to ask you how exactly you derive this idea that the Old Testament is "contextual to the time" while the New Testament (presumably in your mind) is not merely so. (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Of course I believe the NT is as well. For example, Paul writes letters to specific communities with specific issues. Even the Gospels have specific audiences. Yeah, lots of the issues addressed are of the universal type, but some aren't. One (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | | | Thanks for indulging me, John. (...) OK, I guess that answers most of the questions from my post. So, if I understand you correctly, when it comes right down to it, the reason you believe wholheartedly that Jesus spoke eternal religious truths about (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, let's say that it "rings true" to me; I find the wisdom valid for my life. Why? I don't know the reason. But it does. Why do you believe what you believe? Upon what rational basis do you (presumably) deny the existence of God? How do you (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | | | | (...) To say that it "rings true to you" almost makes it sound like you are evaluating it based on evidence and logic, rationally determining it to be the best explanatory theory. But this is quite different than saying that you are absolutely sure (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Must they be mutually exclusive? (...) How? Via torture? ;-) (...) I'm not sure I even understand what the term "Son of God" means. I do know that it isn't merely a synonym of "Son of Man", "Lamb of God", "Messiah", etc. As for His revelation (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) No, they need not be mutually exclusive, but I don't see that that is more than a trivial point to make. I suppose someone could, for instance, be rationally convinced that nautral selection accounts for the diversity of life on Earth because (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Brendan Powell Smith wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Great Googly Moogly this debate is great! Anyway, I just wanted to pop up at this one point--it's best described, for me anyway, as the 'Decker Arguement' See, here's (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Hi, Dave. (...) Heh, glad somebody is enjoying it. (...) You make a good point, Dave, and reading over what I wrote I can see why you've brought this up. In the Kirk case, Kirk has listed several independent arguments for why he should be be in (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm surprised you entered this one then. Religious debates are rarely worth participating in. Doubly so if bold John's involved. (18 years ago, 23-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Agreed. But I for one appreciate it. And sometimes there is value in the struggle, even if it seems insurmountable unlikely to succeed. Someone needs to remind us all of this from time to time, and the Rev does it better than anyone I know. (...) (18 years ago, 23-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Really? At what point during a rational evaluation process do you decide something? How can two scientists who evaluate the same evidence draw different conclusions? Do you know for sure from where "ideas" that "pop into your head" come? (...) (18 years ago, 23-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | | | Hi John, I've taken the liberty of only responding to those points which relate to what I believe to be your misunderstanding of science. Here is an (URL) article> on the scientific method for further reading. (...) This occurs in much the same way (...) (18 years ago, 23-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) In the fullness of time (ie the end of our lives) we'll either all know or it won't matter anyway;-) This sounds like the time to mention Pascal's wager! (...) I think you missed my meaning. I meant scientists who are Christian, not "Christian (...) (18 years ago, 23-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'd rather not know than get my answers from a pulp paperback from 2000 years ago ;) (...) I think you'll find you're quite mistaken there. I know plenty of scientists who are Christian and I've never noticed their views to be taken better or (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote: <snip> (...) That may be. I seem to remember reading something about the topic; perhaps I can do some digging around. (...) Yeah, I meant to address this elsewhere and forgot: I'm not talking about (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Tim, (URL) this> touches on what I was talking about. JOHN (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, that's pretty unfair. That's like saying we NEED an answer, and if we can't come up with one, creationism is correct. If you go back to 500 BC and asked people why lightning happened, I'm sure they could come up with answers. But just (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton wrote: --snip-- (...) --snip-- (...) I believe that many predictions of the Big Bang theory have been verified which is why I say there is an overwhelming body of evidence for it. There is admittedly far more (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, I'm trying to be strictly accurate there. It's not that the evidence proves the conclusion, it's that the evidence doesn't contradict the conclusion. If we had (for example) two conflicting ideas about the origin of the universe (the Big (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I have avoided using the word "proved" for that very good reason. (...) However in the absence of the alternate theory then the evidence supports the one theory. Which is why the Big Bang Theory is now commonly named as such whereas it used to (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Now that's unfair:-) I am NOT arguing for creationism. Science is about explaining things. All I'm saying is that what happened pre Big Bang is inexplicable. (...) Agreed. (...) Thank you. That is entirely my point. Therefore any explanation (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm not sure that it will be forever outside the scope of science. The more we learn, the more we discover. Take Brendan's sealed-closet example. And let's suppose we can walk around the closet. Well, we know whatever's in the closet has to (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Actually, it didn't really happen in a point in time, AFAIAC. Time began at that point. In fact, there's a good chance that "time" didn't "begin" (or stabilize) for "eons" (read in femto- or pico- seconds), just as our physics framework (as we (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, I think the issue is that the Bible gets treated differently than most other written works. I find that your (John's) particular take on Christianity is something closer to "inspired from the Bible" rather than "based on the Bible". The (...) (18 years ago, 23-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | | | | | | In the interest of brevity, nonredundancy, and my own sanity, I am going to skip responding to some of John's comments that have been taken up by Tim and DaveE. I also want to take a moment to note that I began this discussion by asking John to (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I hear that! I'm going to do some snipping to clean up a bit around the thread. (...) <snip> (...) Not at all. I'm just seeing common ground. (...) But you will probably always be irrational though you strive to be rational. You are a closet (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Alright, where were we... let's see... (...) Ah, OK. It's silly how things can be taken the wrong way in a written debate that would be cleared up in an instant if we were speaking in person. But then again, I'm not much for debating in person. I (...) (18 years ago, 31-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes, the medium is cumbersome, but at least it allows for a dialog with people with whom you might not normally engage. For me it is very time consuming, and many times I've left an interesting discussion because suddenly work pops up and I (...) (18 years ago, 13-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) You have now many times asserted that there can be no rational explanations for the origin of the universe, but mere repeated assertion has done nothing to convince me (or others who have chimed in) you're right about this. Even if we suppose (...) (18 years ago, 14-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (This has been sitting in my draft folder for weeks. Though I doubt you'd care to respond at this point, I thought I'd finish it up and post it anyway.) (...) Brendan, for a rational person such as yourself, you only accept explanations that can (...) (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Bob Parker
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) (snipped several detailed rational items) Say, John, are you a member of (URL) Jlug> already by any chance? If not, then you should think about joining our lively little group if you wish to (a Lego Ambassador had to remind me to throw out an (...) (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) If only I had found a way to be so diplomatic... :) (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) The better part of valor is discretion:-) JOHN (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well then I admire and applaud your well-honed sense of discretion, sir! (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I never said I had any; I was merely merrily quoting Shakespeare! JOHN (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Your modesty is to be admired as well. You have clearly demonstrated keen discretion this evening, IMHO. (18 years ago, 30-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, modesty is one of my best qualities! (though I'm not worth to carry the sandals of any one of the Daves!) BTW, welcome back! Are any of the NELUGers planning on attending the ILTCO Detroit show in July? JOHN (18 years ago, 30-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Thanks for the warm welcome! (...) I don't know about NELUG attendance at the ILTCO show yet. I haven't been to a club meeting recently, so I don't know what people are planning. Sounds like a worthwhile trip, though, and I'll talk it up with (...) (18 years ago, 30-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Ba-Ding! Good one:-) JOHN (18 years ago, 30-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Would be so unfortunate... :( Selçuk (18 years ago, 30-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Occam's Razor - the onus is on YOU to explain how an omniscient being just came into being, then created the universe. And if that being was created by another, who created *that* being (ad nauseum)?... Why must you insist on making things (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Here's how: The omniscient, omnipotent being always was, by definition. Irrational? You bet. (...) Are you suggesting that this stuff is in some way simple? (...) Though we've met a few times, you don't really know me that well because I'm (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) jumping in here again with this brief blurb-- (URL) are apt to quote the late Stephen Jay Gould's 'NOMA' - 'non-overlapping magisteria'. Gould claimed that science and true (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I like this part: First, most of the traditional arguments for God's existence, from Aquinas on, are easily demolished. Several of them, such as the First Cause argument, work by setting up an infinite regress which God is wheeled out to (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I don't know that it's arrogant or naive, though it might be unjustifiably optimistic at the moment to call it "simple." Gould isn't saying that Hawking/Penrose will, like God, be magically able to terminate the regress; their intent is to (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I wish I could help you out, Dave! But I don't know jack about phones. And I'd have to brush up on painting staircases; I hear it's rail difficult. Well, if they ever arrest the regress, it would appear that their work would be able to be used (...) (18 years ago, 26-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | | I never said the explanation would be "simple". I simply state that adding a Creator is making it *more complex* than it needs to be. (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | | --snip-- (...) --snip-- (...) Bad example ;) It is very easy to explain pi in numerous simple and rational ways. eg. pi=4(1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 etc.) pi=( 16((1/5) - 1/3(1/5)^3 + 1/5(1/5)^5 - 1/7(1/5)^5 + ...) - 4((1/239) - 1/3(1/239)^3 + (...) (18 years ago, 26-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'd venture to say that this is just about your favorite question, because you return to it repeatedly! The answers, of course, are many and various: atheists don't necessarily deny the existence of God; they just don't believe that he exists (...) (18 years ago, 20-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, for me it's the ultimate question. And I believe that the origin of the universe is the ONLY PLACE where science and religion collide and become indistinguishable from each other. (...) Science doesn't just accept a "we don't know." (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | --snip-- (...) I don't know where you got this idea from. There are plenty of ways to test hypotheses about the origins of the universe. The Big Bang hypothesis is pretty much accepted by all scientists to the point that it could almost be (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) If, by "ignorant," you mean "lacking knowledge," then the answer is yes. Science definitely accepts "we don't know," but it doesn't posit that as a final explanation, either. The correct framing is "we don't know/we think it's like this/here's (...) (18 years ago, 23-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) But in that case, science will really never know. My belief in God can be viewed as a "best guess" scenario as well-- given the choice of believing that the universe spontaneously came into being, or a Creator causing it to happen (whose (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Tim David
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| | | | | | (...) Well, yes and no. I agree that going to the source is the best way, but if Samarth was to do a Hindu equivalent of the Brick Testament I'm sure you would find a lot of stuff in it that you were coming to for the first time. Tim (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Exactly. That's why I wouldn't trust it. I mean, even though Samarth hasn't read the Bible, he was sharp enough to ask "does the Bible really say or mean that?" It really doesn't. I know that it is BPS's intention to portray it in a mockingly (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, it does really say that. Go read the entire passage and you will see that it says and means exactly that. I have seen an analysis which added a whole lot of created meaning to it in order to make it mesh with the common ideas of (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | (...) Sorry to respond... I forgot to mention something: I do think that the translation "Do you think I have come to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but hostility!" as used by the Reverand is probably not as accurate as "Do you think I have (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | Hi, Tim. (...) As far as I understand it (though I am not fluent in ancient Greek myself) it is not merely the context that implies a violent division, but the Greek word itself. I realize that it is usually translated into English as simply (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | (...) Ahhh. That changes matters and explains your choice. I didn't realise you actually went back to the original text at times. Impressive. (...) I agree completely. I raised the point merely to anticipate arguments about your choice of (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | | | (...) Just to clear up any misunderstandings, I don't read the actual original ancient Greek text of the New Testament, nor the ancient Hebrew of the Old Testament (though my girlfriend does read Hebrew and sometimes offers me her own translations). (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | --snip-- (...) It is also possible that the English word "division" in that context has changed. If you look at "divisional" it usually implies an active (and possibly hostile) act of division so it is not unreasonable to assume that the word it is (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —David Koudys
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| | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Brendan Powell Smith wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) And this is where I jump in (after reading most, but not all of this thread, so if this has been covered, please forgive) I think one of the first straws that sent me (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Karl Paulsen
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| | | | (...) Hi Brendan, I've been away from lugnet for a couple months... so this is (I think) fairly unrelated to the 69 message mania that went before (I didn't read it all). As usual, BPS, you have managed to put together some very well assembled and (...) (18 years ago, 27-Nov-06, to lugnet.build.ancient, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Brendan Powell Smith
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| | | | (...) Hi, Karl. Thanks for your thoughts. By "most recent installment", I assume you're referring to the Teachings of Jesus stuff from a month ago and not any of the many King Saul stories I've done since then, yes? I suppose the George W. Bush (...) (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.build.ancient, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Karl Paulsen
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| | | | (...) Yes, I just saw the note on the Saul stories, Yaay, more BT! (...) Can't argue with that one. (...) Yeah, that's pretty much what I was noticing, there seemed to be a trend toward more commentary on percieved Christian inconsistencies. A bit (...) (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | (...) The commentary may be getting a bit less subtle, but it seems to me that it's been an integral part of the BT from the start. Fantastic work as always, Rev! I'll never look at that red kerchief-hat-thing the same way ever again! (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) Hi Karl: I don't want to start a whole big thing here, but I think that "apparent" might be a better word to use than "perceived." The latter carries a connotation of "not really there," whereas the former admits that they do appear to be (...) (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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