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(...) Actually, it is both worse and better than that. Going 8 wide means going longer, too. That means that trains will be 78% larger, assuming that height remains the same. I would figure that it would be about twice as big as a 6 wide train. (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Good points...going from 700 to 1200 pieces would be 500 piece increase, or $57.50 increase based on an 11.5¢ per piece estimate. Which would be right around $200. But $200 is alot of money, and many people already balk at the $150 price tag. If it (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Mike Poindexter (<FqD42y.7FB@lugnet.com>) wrote at 02:54:34 (...) This could be *very* good news, because they'll have to introduce a larger radius curve for longer stock. (...) It's unlikely they'll just add more bricks. To (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Agreed. (...) I could live with larger pieces, as long as they are the *right* pieces;-) Train fronts (split), nose shells, specialty items (fans), railings, new trucks. Let them accent play, give us the tools and we will accent the (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, John Neal (<38B40110.28868009@...west.net>) wrote at 15:47:29 (...) That's where I was going as well. If it was compatible with the existing 9V stuff (in terms of usable parts), it would be monstrously good. (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) And I suppose you'll want it weatherproof, so you can have a garden railroad, right? I'll be happy if they come out with some decent looking 6 (or 8) wide trains that actually look like trains... The 4559 was a joke, the 4561 isn't much (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I've NEVER understood why Lego didn't make nose pieces split to begin with. Then they could make each half 2-wide, and you could insert slopes between them to make them any width you want. Then they'd only have to worry about making 6/8/10/12 (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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By making the nose split however you would run into an issue with the trans-yellow headlamp piece. The only solution I can think of would be to use two light bulbs to light-up both sides. -Nick Tom Stangl wrote in message (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Technic brick with a lens in the center? I'm not sure I follow what the problem is, exactly... can you elaborate? (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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The lower half of the nose piece has two square openings. To my knowledge only the special trans-yellow "Y" will fit into these square openings and allow a single bulb to illuminate the right and left side simultaneously. If you increase the spacing (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Oh oh oh...another problem with 8 wide (main reason I am avoiding it): anyone recall how many engines John uses for his 8 wide stuff? Eight wide is going to weight a lot (unless there is exstensive use of thinwalls). Eight wide trains are going to (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Tom Stangl <toms@netscape.com> wrote in message news:38B41F69.3A1A53...ape.com... (...) pieces;-) (...) with. Then (...) to make (...) 6/8/10/12 wide (...) <shudder> (...) With the extra size, it is much easier to make to nose look proper with (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Christopher Masi wrote: Yes, Mr Horshack? ;-) (...) No, they be heavy;-D But it's all relative. They are feathers compared to my 14 wides{:^D (...) I use 2 motors in my 8 wide engines. To tell the truth, I'd use 2 motors in 6 wides, too, because (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Christopher Masi <cmasi@cmasi.chem.tulane.edu> wrote in message news:38B42AE5.D23FB9...ane.edu... (...) anyone recall (...) weight a lot (...) to hit the (...) both current (...) pushed (...) high enough (...) the technology (...) it another (...) (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I think Mike has gotten to the crux of the problem. All the issues brought up are merely technical puzzles to solve. Personally, my investment in my 5 trains and assorted train items wouldn't hold me back from 8 wide. Again, I think if TLC is (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Ah. (...) Right. Make that square opening thing into a separate brick. If you widen the nose you can leave it centered. (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) To clarify, I was running at the end 89 cars with 3 motors on the point. The circuit is 124 pieces long, and I had a gap of 4 pieces. So, total length was 1920 studs, with a average length per car of 21 studs. (somewhat longer than a 16 plate (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) OOh, before Lar jumps in here ranting about compression, blah, blah, blah and the flames start igniting(;) I will say these two things about 8 wide. First, I feel 8 wide *is* MF scale; it just allows for a little more interior room (Also, see (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) TLG have got to sell this to the larger market - kids, or more specifically, parents buying for kids. If the scale gets too big, and the radius of the curves gets too large, there is a danger that parents will look at the space required for a (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) wide. (...) the (...) feel (...) see (...) LEGO (...) narrow (...) nothing (...) Whatever you choose, most Lego trains (of old) were loosely based on European prototypes. The "correct" width assuming 4'8 1/2" track gauge will of course depend (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I might have thought that too except for the existence of Playmobil trains... Playmobil was smart in choosing an existing track gauge (G) and therefore didn't even necessarily need to support its own products with track, etc. (...) You can't (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) You make a good blah, blah [1] -John [1] (point;-) BTW, what is the width of a TGV et al? (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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snip lots of valid points (...) I agree totally. The problem really lies within me. I like the 8 wide stuff I have seen. John's Hiawatha (?) is beautiful! Barbra's (?) mototrain is gorgeous, and it is simply not possible to put the the stuff she had (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) the (...) etc. (...) didn't (...) Oh, before anyone gets into too much of a tizzy about Playmobil trains...they are on there 3rd incarnation. The first one was made by Fallar (sp), the German Kit maker. (Play train/Hit Train) and they were to (...) (25 years ago, 23-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Christopher Masi <cmasi@cmasi.chem.tulane.edu> wrote in message news:38B46A14.581C66...ane.edu... (...) but (...) stuff I (...) her 8 (...) brainer (...) See comment below (...) but (...) SD40-2 (...) look (...) thought (...) which (...) thought (...) (25 years ago, 24-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Not to be picky, but there have been 3 voltages: 4.5v, 9v, and 12v. I've never seen any 12v and played with 4.5v once, a long time ago, so I can't comment on the gauge of the different tracks. Ben Roller (25 years ago, 24-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Just going to pop in here: The gauges are indeed the same, or close enough. My 4.5v will run on 9v no prob (well, I swapped the motor with the 9v, but the cars work just fine), and 9v cars will work on 4.5v track. And I belive that 12v is (...) (25 years ago, 24-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Jason Brown wrote in message <38B42F60.9B907B00@m...es.edu>... (...) never (...) comment on (...) Yep, of course the 4.5V being battery operated will work on ANY track! I assume you can combine 12V and 9V if you don't use any turnouts or crossings, (...) (25 years ago, 24-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Your right, I'm against 8 wide and havn't built any 8 wide. Why not? Lots of reasons: 1) 8 wide demands larger scenery and buildings. If your logic for building 8 wide is because LEGO minifig trucks are 6 wide then you should make all your buildings (...) (25 years ago, 24-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) What is wrong with larger scenery and buildings? You should check out Legoland sometime;-) Seriously, you don't have to build ginormous structures-- we are still talking MF scale here. I will now *have* to take some photos of my double stall (...) (25 years ago, 24-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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I just purchased a few three foot high trees for my back yard. They cost about $40. I guess I will have to return them to the nursery and say "Nope! Nope! These trees are too small. I need trees that are at least 20 feet tall. A guy on the Internet (...) (25 years ago, 24-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) never (...) Not in NA. Only 2 voltages, plus the push trains in NA. 12V was _never_ available here from Lego Canada or Lego USA. The 12V was also concurent with the 4.5V, and most sets were availabe essencially the same (the 4.5V train was (...) (25 years ago, 24-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I think this point is key. 8 widers seem to think of Lego trains as models, where a majority of 6 widers (there are exceptions) see them as toys. My opinion is that 6 or 8 wide in your own collection is up to you, but Lego needs to keep making (...) (25 years ago, 24-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Ben Roller <broller@clemson.edu> wrote in message news:FqGGKz.C3G@lugnet.com... (...) attitude, (...) models, (...) needs (...) some (...) toys. (...) I say they should make what people want. If some people want 8 wide trains, then they should look (...) (25 years ago, 24-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) The problem with TLC is that they DO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. The old 12V trains were too complicated for younger children and needed much care. Thus, they were replaced by the easier-to-handle 9V ones. The trend continues; modern sets consist of (...) (25 years ago, 24-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Put me down in the exception column. I do models. Just not scale models. I don't design for play value, I design for evokation of a look within the imposed palette limitations. This may be semantics but I suspect most of us, across all genres, (...) (25 years ago, 25-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Larry Pieniazek (<38B5C904.EF423D8@v...ager.net>) wrote at 00:12:52 (...) Not actually being in either column at the moment, I must say that my perception points to more people being in Larry's column than the toy one. At least (...) (25 years ago, 25-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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I'm in it as a toy builder!! And even though I don't think I'm switching over any time soon, John Neal's 8wides are very nice. Just tougher for me to play with!!! -john 3 (...) (25 years ago, 25-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) That's why I put a rim of tiles on my 8 wide passenger coaches' roofs, J-3! {;^D -John (...) (25 years ago, 25-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) By the same token, An 8-wide tarin layout in the same area as a 6-wide layout will (from a distance) look MORE toy-like simply because the trains will have a shorter run before 'chasing their tails'. Or, put another way, if you are into (...) (25 years ago, 25-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Unless, of course, your layout is 22' long like the GMLTC's is (and growing;) (...) Not true. I rabbit sleep time;-) -John (...) (25 years ago, 25-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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John Neal <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message news:38B70743.BC3916...est.net... (...) layout (...) have (...) are (...) your (...) wide) (...) inter- (...) growing;) (...) I think that a more accurate measurement of size would be running feet of (...) (25 years ago, 26-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Yes. Here is a schematic: (URL) That is 108 large gray baseplates, or 168.75 square feet, which is (...) lol Mike, I applaud your devotion-- all I can say is....GET HELP (building;) (...) Absolutely we will have to:-) J-1 and I have been (...) (25 years ago, 26-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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Oh, did I just get psyched out. I checked you layout outline and the pointer turned into a finger, and I thought, "WOW, a map to the layout. Very nice." I clicked and got the layout outline again...d'Oh! Actually, it is nice to see the organization (...) (25 years ago, 26-Feb-00, to lugnet.trains)
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