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New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

Looking at the new LEGO Mindstorms-like R2D2 set (sorry I don't know the number), it suddenly struck me that it contains a new angled beam. It seems to have this basic shape: + o o o o o o + I wonder what the angle of the bend is? Looks a bit like (...) (25 years ago, 20-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Michael Edwards

Thanks Fredrik Where abouts on R2-D2 is this piece, i can't find it? -- Please reply on medwards@ukonline.co.uk Home of the UK Technic Club Magazine Web site: (URL) models and going up Fredrik Glöckner <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote in message (...) (25 years ago, 20-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Huw Millington

Fredrik Glöckner <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote in message news:m3so49olig.fsf@....uio.no... (...) I have the DDK and AFAICT there are no new pieces in it, at least none unique to the set except for a turntable-thingy which is used for R2's (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) I don't know what the DDK is, but I assume you're refering to the set which is depicted on the images I refered to. Does this mean that the "eight hole one bend" technic beam visible in the images in white and grey has been available before (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —John Matthews

I noticed this beam too and thought it was new. I have a lot of Technic (prolly not as much as Fredrik) and I do not have a specimen of this beam. John Matthews Fredrik Glöckner <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote in message (...) (25 years ago, 21-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Huw Millington

Fredrik Glöckner <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote in message news:m33dw8o454.fsf@....uio.no... (...) Yes, sorry. The Droid Development Kit. (...) I have to say that I didn't notice that! I am at work at the moment, but I'll double check the (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) No, I would guess they are 135°. (I said 45° in my original post, but I really meant 135°, sorry.) The old part 6629 (nine holes) has a pretty odd angle, 143.13°. (...) Yep, it's the 32140 "five hole one bend" beam, with this basic shape: o + (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Gregor Benedikt Rochow

(...) If that angle is there to allow for some fit to a grid of holes, I'd guess the new beam has the same angle. In the US S@H catalog, alt. model pictures show that the new beam, too, has 9 holes, albeit 2+corner+6 rather than 3+corner+5. I've (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) Yep, the angle makes it fit in a Phytagorean 3-4-5 triangle. Here's an illustration: (URL) In the US S@H catalog, alt. model pictures show that the (...) Yes, it looks like you are correct. The new part appears to still have 9 holes, but the (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Steve Bliss

(...) I believe the angled part makes the hypotenuse of a 3-4-5 right triangle. The 143.13° angle fits this geometry. Steve (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Eric Brok

(...) That's not the one that was meant in R2-D2, if i'm right. That one's not 45 degrees. Eric (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) No, it isn't. It is the one Huw Millington talked about in the post I followed up on. Let me review: It's the new "liftarm" part which was introduced earlier this year in the connectables set. (...) Of course it isn't. It's 90°, as Huw (...) (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Eric Brok

Fredrik Glöckner wrote in message ... (...) Sorry. i meant to say that the R2-D2 piece Fredrik originally meant was not *90* degrees, but about 45 degrees. It's not the liftarm but a one-bend beam, shorter version than before. Meanwhile this also (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) It's not 45° or even 135° (as you probably meant). Rather, it has the same angle as the original one bend beam (6629), that is 143.13°. This is according to Huw Millington, who has the part in questions himself. (...) In LDraw, we call these (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Huw Millington

Fredrik Glöckner <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote in message news:m33dvyhu3r.fsf@....uio.no... (...) I will post a scan of the piece in question later to settle this once and for all :-) Huw (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Amos Bieler

(...) I'm always interrested in Technic LDraw parts, including (especially?!?!) the unofficial ones! Amos "Junior" Bieler Spambot shield at 98.6%, Captain. (25 years ago, 5-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) I haven't been doing much part modeling lately, but there are a few parts on the page (URL) two first parts are submitted for voting, the air tank and the "connector locking without toggle notches". The last two will probably never be (...) (25 years ago, 5-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Amos Bieler

(...) That's OK, I'll probably get BOO'ed for this, but, I don't use LDRAW itself alot, I just use the parts geometry. -Amos Bieler CAPITALS in e-mail addresses are bad... (25 years ago, 24-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) I realize now that this does probably not look like I intended on the web interface of LUGNET, as it uses a non-equally spaced font. For the benefit of people reading with the web interface, what I really wanted to draw was something very much (...) (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Huw Millington

Fredrik Glöckner <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote (...) Fredrik, You are correct. I had not noticed that when I built the thing!! They are 9 length, the same angle as before, but the bend is one hole nearer the short side (IYSWIM) Huw (25 years ago, 22-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) Thanks for the info! Did you see any number molded into the part, BTW? It's really strange that they introduce a new part which is so close to the already existing part. But of course, it's always nice to see new Technic parts. I recently (...) (25 years ago, 23-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Huw Millington

(...) Not that I can see. (...) My thoughts exactly. But given that Technic has virtually moved away from 'traditional' beams, I reckon we'll see other variants in the future. I'd like to see long straight ones :-) Huw (25 years ago, 24-Sep-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Johannes Keukelaar

"Fredrik Glöckner" wrote: <snipsnip> (...) 8446 has both of these parts. It also has various other parts that were new to me, at least, such as the big beveled gear which you mentioned before, a holder for a worm gear, a dampened spring and a, erm, (...) (25 years ago, 1-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) You're probably talking about the part which I called "Technic Liftarm 2x4 L-Shape" in LDraw: (URL) part appeared in the "connectable" Technic sets earlier this year. The 8444 Helicopter set has two of them in blue. They are very useful, and I (...) (25 years ago, 1-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Johannes Keukelaar

(...) True, that is the part I'm talking about. I don't have any of the connectable sets. There is another part in 8446 which I didn't see before, but which I suspect to be in the connectable sets. It's kinda like two friction pegs side by side, and (...) (25 years ago, 1-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) You're quite right about that part. I belive it has number 32139. (You can see the number molded into it if you study it carefully. (...) Perhaps you can do without the gear boxes if you use the new style geared motors? Anyway, gear boxes come (...) (25 years ago, 2-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Johannes Keukelaar

(...) Been there, seen that, built that. Or some such. But anyway, yeah, with the new style geared motors it works fine, although I still use a worm gear. However, it only seems to work if all three motors are on at the same time. Otherwise the (...) (25 years ago, 4-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) It does? I actually thought it had the big wheels, like the ones on 8459. Wow, in that case, I just may get one 8446 anyway, as the wheels are probably not that annoying as I originally thought! :-) (...) Personally, I'm not a fan of the (...) (25 years ago, 4-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Johannes Keukelaar

(...) Nope. They're smaller than the ones on the 8459, but bigger than the ones on the, say, 8414. Also, the whatchamacallums, the thingies inside the tires look pretty cool. (...) Yes, there do seem to be a lot of those. Wasn't, erm, (damn, lugnet (...) (25 years ago, 5-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Jonathan Wilson

(...) Is it the largest set ever? or is 5571 larger? -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 5-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

(canceled) —Fredrik Glöckner

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) 5571 is by far larger than 8448. (Judging by the number of parts included, obviously.) Fredrik (25 years ago, 5-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Johannes Keukelaar

(...) Well, yes. However, you'll note that I said _Technic_ set. According to (URL) largest sets overall are: 5571 with 1743 pieces, 8448 with 1408 pieces, 9280 (Giant LEGO Dacta Basic Set) with 1401 pieces 8480 with 1366 pieces, 8880 with 1343 (...) (25 years ago, 5-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) Of course! It was Jon Wilson who introduced the 5571 Model Team set. (...) Certainly. However I still had a good time assembling the 5571 Black Cat. It is very well designed in my opinion, with a lot of "clever" design solutions which gave me (...) (25 years ago, 5-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Johannes Keukelaar

(...) I'll admit under pressure that I've actually considered buying a 5571. I found it once in a shop in some other city that I rarely come to for about $100, which seemed like a good deal to me. Of course, luck being what it is, I didn't have any (...) (25 years ago, 6-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) The problem is that you cannot drive the differential directly with a 24t crown gear perpendicular to the diff. So to overcome this problem, Reinhard Beneke filed off a part of the central "bushing" in the crown gear. Without this (...) (25 years ago, 6-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Jonathan Wilson

(...) So 5571 is still the largest set (in part count terms) ever made by TLG? -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 6-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Ian Sinclair

(...) Fredrik, can you tell us which is larger by weight? Isn't the amount of ABS in a set a better indication of the cost and size of a set? <ICS> (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) Sorry, I have no idea about that. While I have the 5571, I haven't even held a 8448 box in my hands. Hey, I haven't even _seen_ a box in a shop yet! BTW, while we are talking about the new Technic sets this year: I've noticed this really odd (...) (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

New silly axle —Gregor Benedikt Rochow

(...) It's 5.5 studs long. 4 studs of crossaxle, 1/2 stud (minus the width of the collar?) wide crossaxle-diameter round axle, a larger-diameter collar (as on the stud end of a 1/2-peg), and another stud length of axle. The 3 in 8448 simply fill the (...) (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New silly axle —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) Ah, if it has a length of 5.5 studs, then I can see the use for it. I've often had the need for an n.5 stud lendth axle, and by matching the 5.5 axle with an axle extender and another axle, it may serve this purpose. Sounds useful enough for (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Johannes Keukelaar

(...) There are a couple of them in 8446, too. And yes, I've wondered about the purpose, too. In 8446 it's used, among other things, with a beveled gear on the collar end; this prevents the beveled gear from sliding up the axle. (...) Johannes. (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Huw Millington

(...) This piece first appeared in last year's ZNAP sets, in white. The collar was necessary to prevent the axle being pulled through the hole when used for wheels and I guess was designed that way to prevent the need for a bushing. I think it (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) So we have as much as three sizes of balloon tyres? Aw, all these different Technic wheel! They make my mind boggle. (...) The rims, you mean? I'm not really a fan of the use of "chrome" wheels. The 1998 sets had chrome wheels all around (...) (25 years ago, 5-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Johannes Keukelaar

(...) Well, lots of modern cars have metallic looking plastic rimcaps (?), so they're not too far off. (...) time. :) Ben's car also looks damn stylish, and it's an interesting construction. Of course I've never actually driven one of these cars (...) (25 years ago, 6-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Jonathan Wilson

(...) Are you talking about the so called "alloy" wheels? -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 6-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Johannes Keukelaar

(...) Yeah, I was talking about the ones used in, say, 8446 and 8462. Even if I've never seen exact duplicates of those on real cars, I have seen things that are similar enough that I think they're fairly realistic. Fredrik Glöckner felt they were (...) (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

general rambling (was: New angled beam) —Gregor Benedikt Rochow

(...) Well, the few cars that do have rims like that (with very few towtrucks among them) look cheesy, too. As an example, try the 2nd, 3rd, and last pictures on this page: (URL) with the semi-fitting 8880 rubber, those rims are a good imitation of (...) (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: general rambling (was: New angled beam) —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) I haven't seen the suspension setup of the 8448, but can it be that the shock absorber is closer to that chassis up front than rear? When using the 8880 setup, I've found this to be a problem. If you put the shock absorbers too close to the (...) (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)

Re: New angled beam —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) Well, yes. And they're a tad bit overdone, in my opinion. The 1998 low profile wheels, as in 8428 and 8462, look pretty good as motorcycle wheels, but for a car, they look quite odd, I think. But as you say, they try to look like alloy wheels, (...) (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.technic)