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This comes partially in reply to the thread of "dear mr. lucas" postings, and partially as a continuation of an opinion that I will continue to represent to the lugnet community and to TLG. Now that lego can make the faces of the minifigs with any (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Damien, (...) postings, (...) start (...) wars (...) that (...) and (...) Yeah, and then they should make a white pack too. FUT-> Off.topic.debate Scott S. -- Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) LEGO Parts at Great (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Scott, please let me introduce you to a secret that I'm fairly sure most lego users are hip to... The "yellow" minifigs are representations of human beings who are lighter in skin color, i.e. white people. EVERY LEGO SET EVER MADE IS A PROVERBIAL (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Would you be happy with dark yellow? The fact that lego is making the ethnic sets, indian or oriental, should tell you that yellow is just the basic color for minifigures. You do not see red used for indians although yellow is used for (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Yeah, except the ones with Oriental people (who oddly enough have the same skin color as 'white people') or Native Americans (who oddly enough have the same skin color as 'white people', even though there are plenty of them who are darker in (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) To me minifigs were always Puerto Rican and they spoke Spanish as a main language. And they were dark skinned or permanently tan or ghostly white since we cover the whole spectrum but still Puerto Rican. Minifigs are what you want them to be. (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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"Jorge Rodriguez" <rodriguez.136@osu.edu> wrote in message news:3964aff4.154699...net.com... (...) I agree. Please set all follow-ups to this in rec.toys.lego so we don't have to deal with it anymore. (24 years ago, 6-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I dunno for certain that the yellow 'figs are "white" folks. I think they are just "people." I for one hope that Lando comes out with yellow skin. (...) It's the 20th century. 21st doesn't start until 2001. Chris (24 years ago, 7-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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I know that this thread is old, but i haven't had the chance to comment on it until now. If lego ever released a yellow lando, it would be a huge slap in the face to every black hero ever and I'd definitely get Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the (...) (24 years ago, 6-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Would that be a slap in the face with a WHITE glove. All those people would love this cause, it puts them back in the spotlight. Without controversy they have no jobs. Yes it is true, Lego is just a toy. That is why Orientals are NOT upset (...) (24 years ago, 6-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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O.k., O.k., I agree, poor chice of politicians to name on my part. But why is it so hard to convince the lugnet community of the politicization of toys? If lego toys are as some say, no more than toys, somebody needs to clarify for me why they (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Well then, should "white" folks view the release of a yellow skinned Luke, Han, etc. as a slap in the face? I have never, ever seen a yellow person (except for the time I had a VERY bad fever and became jaundiced). How dare they portray the (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I'm all for this. In fact, the first thing I'll do with my second Mace Windu is make a John Shaft- he's one baaaaaaaad MF (minifig). :D Seriously, though, I feel that the "all minifigs are one color" line was fine, up until the point at which (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I've mostly stayed out of this discussion, but I've got some questions to ask. I'm not generally opposed to the idea of dark "skinned" minifigs (DSM), but I'm going to play devils advocate here for a minute. Lets say that TLG does in fact go (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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In lugnet.starwars, Karim Nassar writes: <snip> (...) to (...) I would also think that other problems would arise, besides the is there the "proper" quantity. But what about actual "roles" in the sets. I think some groups would get upset if say a (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Because toys should not be politicized. I have a feeling you are just someone bored who is trolling, but I'll bite because I believe this is an important issue. If you are arguing an ideology, take it all the way. What is your ultimate (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) of (...) I like this last point. I think the people who are bothered the most about this minifig race issue are suffering from a mistaken impression that yellow figs are/were ever meant to accurately represent caucasians. These Barbie (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) This has probably already been pointed out a few times, and doesn't necessarily apply here because we're talking about minifigs, but I think it's worth noting again that LEGO has for years been selling DUPLO figs in various skin tones: (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Perhaps you should have a peeks at these sets: 215 Red Indians 9171 Duplo World People And get back to us. They're both in the Lugnet database. Thanks, eric (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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I may be wrong (please correct me if I am), I haven't seen Empire Strikes Back in a long time, but isn't Dak the gunner of Luke's snowspeeder black? If he was black he didn't get any special treatment on lego's version. Michael (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Yeah, I'm aware of that set- in fact, I just referred someone else to it and 215 Red Indians. What I meant wasn't so much that Lego doesn't have the colors available. I meant that as soon as they place one darker toned minifig in, say, a Town (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Amen to that! (...) Seeing as the old Anakin Skywalker (beneath the Darth Vader mask) was a gray minifig head, I can see the logic in that. (...) I bet they'll be dark. IMHO, the triangle-split-moustache head looks like Lando already but a (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) of (...) Depends on whether you key on hue or value. Hue (color) is abstract for Lego - no one is bright yellow, so why can't that be a neutral color for everyone? Because of value (relative light and dark). Lego yellow is pale - and held next (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I'm not sure I follow you on this point. Not that I disagree, I just can't tell what you're saying. :D (...) It's funny, I was just thinking that myself the other day. (...) I bet they'd get it all over the place for making it yellow. I bet (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) be (...) with (...) in (...) First things first, jay, I really want to curse you out for your condescending remark that I am "just [...] bored [and] trolling." To insinuate that I'd try to stir up controversy around this issue without being (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Nope, he's as caucasian as can be. =) ~Nathan (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Well, I think that of the three you noted (Pirates, Knight's Kingdom, Wild West) this one was the one where TLC was treading the most dangerous ground. The others are pretty clearly in a fantasy realm (Pirating and Privateering had many (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) foundations (...) Be very VERY careful with this assertion... TLG has NEVER made any indication that the Cowboys were vs the indians... If you'll note, every one of the adversarial themes TLG has produced has some character crossover (IE: a (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) You're right, of course. There are no Indians in the Cowboy sets, or vice-versa. I think closing your eyes to the idea that this is how the toys were, to some extent, expected to be played with is a little naive, though. And it doesn't change (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) <snip my comments> (...) Ok, Day. Don't give me a nickname and I will not give you one. (...) I think now that you are sincere. Your first posts seemed almost satirical. I withdraw this comment. (...) I must ask. Why do you have to refer to (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) - (...) Not at all... in fact you've hit the nail right on the head as far as I'm concerned about the entire race question. What you call "value" is more acurately termed (in this discussion anyway) skin albeido. That is, the level of light (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) don't (...) I never saw the marketing for this, I only assumed. Good call. So is it just our societal assumptions that pits the blue clad US soldiers vs. the "indians"? Ehhhhh... I still think it was risky, on TLG's part. They MIGHT have been (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) (URL) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Don't know if that was supposed to be a funny remark, there are "Cowboys" (US soldiers, really) and "Indians" on the same team duelling with "Cowboys" and "Indians" of another team in that pic. =) See? They can get along! =) They can even join (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) a (...) Can't say that I've ever heard of "skin albedo" (not albeido, by the way). "Value" in this sense is an artist's term for relative light and dark. (...) world, (...) So, are you arguing that pale yellow is okay, or pale yellow is not (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) carefully at the pic). Do you know if in the game you actually play the cowboys vs the indians? In any case, I guess I should ammend my statement to say that in the actual LEGO sets, and advertizing for the sets, the above is true. --Karim (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Take a look at the copy of the 1997 (...) page. (...) Neither do I, but here is an excerpt from the above copy: "Gallop over the plains free as the wind, build your tepee and canoe down a swift river like the Native Americans... ...Food and (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Check this Lando out: (URL) recognizable, and with a yellow face. (Credit given where credit is due, the creator's name is on the page I believe) Jason (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Yep, the fig jumped right out to me as Lando...and Jabba...lol!!! (...) believe) (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Of course, that could also be confused as Biggs. ;P -- Andrew, Agent 0007 (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Sorry Y'all, I can't agree that this Lando's "instantly recognizable." I doubt that any of us would be quick to make such an assumption if we saw the same incarnation of him alone in another setting, or in a context without a written key. I'd (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Not just your opinion, mine too. Well put. ---D (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I agree with this wholeheartedly. I was looking forward to having both a helmet and a backpack piece from Boba Fett, able to be used seperately. (...) Hmm. Ok. I have to find that other post first, though, so I can remember everything I (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Darth Maul's whole body is tattooed, see: (URL) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Judging from our posts to this thread, I'm finding that we really agree on most of the points of this issue, a relief for sure because i was getting really depressed about some of the viewpoints that were expressed on this issue by lugnetters. But (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Blah blah blah. I'm an Asian-American--which means I'm "yellow." So his whole time, Lego minifigs have been Asian-American. Right? Give me a break. Unlike flesh, the ABS plastic used to make Lego is specifically-colored--NOT gradients of other (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) No one here is suggesting that ABS is flesh or that minifigs are real people, but to assert that the Luke, Leia, Han, et al minifigs do not represent a particular group is flatly incorrect. Dave! (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Damien, I really don't want to reply to this thread, but it seems to me that this whole race issue is being blown to the infinite amount of distortion on this thread. I will let TLC decide whether or not to make DSM's or whatever politically correct (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I've avoided commenting on this discussion (I'm pretty sure I have. I may have posted in RTL the first time it came up.) <sarcasm>After all, I'm a European-descended male from the States. I'm not allowed to have opinions on race.</sarcasm> My (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Nonsense! They clearly represent indivual characters. Whether they represent the races of the actors who portray those characters is debatable. The most consistent thing (with the LEGO yellow is neutral assumption) would be to release Mace and (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) And this is the problem with licensing movies, books, etc. If the main character is to be "acurately" represented, there must be "colored" minifigs. This has not been done with Star Wars to date. Luke Skywalker (as seen in the movies) is not (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Right on. I'd suggest they are delving in WAY too much. Suggesting that TLG make different coloured heads to represent "black heroes" in minifig form is imposing foolish Western Hemisphere PC politics upon a company based in a place that is (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) As far as I can tell human "race" is as meaningless in the SW universe as it is in Legoland. There are plenty of references to the differences between alien species and humans, and even some references to different human cultures, but there's (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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So darth maul and darth vader get their own colored heads, but lando and mace won't? ---D (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Probably not. I think that LEGO has been going by a rule that normal HUMANS are all yellow. Maul is not a human, and Vader is no longer a normal human. Jar Jar is tan because he's not human. Chewie isn't human either. The Emperor, who (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I agree. They have got to make them or it will be obvious why they didn't (...) kind (...) Do Harrison, Carry, Mark, etc have a right to be upset? As a "white" guy I would be upset of someone implied that my skin is yellow. (...) there Well (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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All right, let's get to answering a REAL question: Why doesn't Lego put out a "Star Trek" line???!!! And if they do, I hope that green-blooded Spock is YELLOW! (Except, of course, for his blue uniform shirt and black pants.) Long live Lego! (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Somehow, I suspect it's more like a homogeneous white society (Denmark) being completely clueless about the rest of the world. They chose yellow because that was the standard Lego color closest to their perception of "flesh". I don't see this (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Except the first movie, where finding a non-european face is almost impossible. I think this happened in part because it was shot (mostly) in England, but Lucas was roundly criticized for it. Bruce (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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I must catch a flight in 15 mintues and will not have email for a few days, but had to post quickly: 1. No offense Scott S., but just because something has been discussed before does not mean it should not be discussed again and that nothing will (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I get a much different feel about Chewie, but I think I've been influenced by the books where (not surprisingly) his back story and character are covered in more depth. (...) I didn't have the hate for Jar-Jar as most people did, though he (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Wait a second...AT-ST? Are we going to see minifig Ewoks? best LFB (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) be (...) Yeah, Bruce, you're certainly right. I watched ep 4 again two nights ago and the only black person that I counted was an extra in the mos eisley scenes. apparently, though Lucas wised up. thank god. ---D. (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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