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(...) Heheh..When I saw the first of the films in theater (it was 1979 I think) all the characters had subtitles and all of them speaking a language that I had no idea about at that time..:-) you know, I was only 7-8 years old at that time..:-) (...) (24 years ago, 10-Apr-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) It's really quite simple, John. Kids love Star Wars and parents have to buy toys that kids love. But if a kid already has the X-wing and Y-wing, then when the new movies come out, you can't slow down the merchandising. Thus, the A and B wing (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Dark Empire: E-Wing and V-Wing were exposed! Funny, every major character in the SW Universe speaks English!!! I think is smells of a conspiracy... Aaron ;~) (24 years ago, 10-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) character in (...) Nah, they speak "Basic." ;^) ~Mark (24 years ago, 10-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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That's what I've always enjoyed about Star Trek. They boldly go where no man has gone before and when they get there they discover without surprise... that they all speak English. At least Jabba and Greedo had subtitles. (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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We-elll they technically have "universal translators." They even talk about it in ST:VI when they're at the Klingon trial. ~Mark (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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In Battlestar Gallactica they use "Languatron" devices that actually allow you to hear spoken alien words (like our "real-world"[whatever that is] news interviews) followed by English (or whatever them children of the stars call it). That seems most (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) -Maybe they have babelfish. (24 years ago, 11-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) What about Chewbacca? Although, I must admit, Chewie speaks better English than some of my co- workers. Jeff J (24 years ago, 11-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) He is cleverly pushed aside by the commie (not that there is anything wrong with that) Rebels, and never receives praise or a medal for his hard labor. I think that the Rebels have a Glass Ceiling of their own. Poor old Ackbar has to put (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) It's always bothered me that Chewie didn't get a medal placed around his neck by the Princess. He risked his his life also. What's up with that!? (24 years ago, 12-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) This one has been debated repeatedly ever since the movie origionally came out. I personally think he should have received a medal and I can't really give you a good answer as to why he didn't. Whether intendid or not there have been racial (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) out. (...) The only "good" excuse (and I use good lightly) I've heard was that it was "undignified" for the Princess of alderann to get up on a chair to present Chewie his medal (due to his hight) and he recieved it at the party afterwards in (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Ah...the venerable & eternal SW race card debate. I don't think that Lucas meant any harm by drawing on the stereotypes; that is, I don't think that there was any malicious intent. I realize that many folks will say that the Nemoidians didn't (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) neck (...) you (...) Bleah. I learned a technique in English class this year called "Willful suspension of disbelief." All that it says is not to be critical of the novel you're reading or movie you're watching, etc, or you will not enjoy it (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Hey, for all we know Chewie had some cultural or religious proscription against the wearing of anything other than that bandolier/sash thing that he wears. W- (24 years ago, 12-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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While Chewie may not have gotten a medal, at least he got to stand on the stage with Han and Luke. If I remember correctly the only other survivors of the attack on the Death Star were one Y-wing and one X-wing fighter. After suffering about 90% (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Maybe gold medals give Wookie gonads a nasty rash... Aaron (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Please, Lucas, don't (...) AMEN! Not that he ain't creative, but some people should stick to what they have talent at. Directing ain't it Lucas. Aaron (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) wrong (...) labor. (...) present (...) afterwards (...) was (...) had thought! WE are all communicating in written English!!!!! Oh, no. I too am a part of this plot to subvert the known universe to English! It is certainly possible that Chewie (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) stage (...) Well, wouldn't they have to slignshot around the Sun? I don't think Han and Luke have actually been anywhere near Earth (sector 001), so there ain't a snowball's chance in you-know-where of the MF ever pulling that stunt. Besides, (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) by (...) I want to say I remember the novel mentioning that Chewie got his later because nobody could reach over his head to place it around his neck. It's not just Carrie Fisher that would be at a disadvantage. I'm 5'10" and I can't reach and (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I remain skeptical. Chewie could have kneeled or bowed low. It was careless to put Chewie in the scene (particularly since the whole audience knows that he deserves to be honored), and then fail to adequately recognize his bravery. Lucas gets (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) In addition, both Luke and Han bowed somewhat accomodate Leia's reach, so a deeper bow from Chewie wouldn't have been out of place. Does the fact that he was First Mate rather than Captain have anything to do with it? Just a thought, though he (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) hmmm... and how many movies have you directed? Quit calling the kettle black until you become a pan... or something like that... :) When you make your millions from an excellent series of sci fi movies come back and we'll talk. Otherwise, (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Perhaps for some reason Chewbacca declined a medal? If he felt that he was merely performing part of his life-debt to Han, for example, he might well have said "no thanks" to receiving an award. eric (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) You may not have offended him, but you've managed to get me miffed. I happen to be a fan of both Star Wars *and* Babylon 5, and I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. eric (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I'd like to speak with your teacher, because that's not what suspension of disbelief is about at all. Suspension of disbelief entails an overlooking of improbable or impossible elements of a story so that, incorporating those elements, the (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I read that the Nemoidians were criticized for sounding too "middle eastern," which I didn't perceive at all. From the first time I heard JarJar, though, I couldn't help seeing decades-old stereotypes of the finest step-and- (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Besides which, the whole issue depends on suspension of disbelief (see, Greg--that's how it works!) Obviously aliens wouldn't speak English, but are you really interested in watching a show in which 58 minutes of each episode are devoted to (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I think you must have missed but that dog has been roundly critisized by the Mexican American community. They have repeatedly asked for the adds to be pulled and Taco Bell keeps coming back with some other lame excuse as to why the dog is not (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) In fact, I *had* missed that, but I'm glad to hear it. Thanks for enlightening me! Dave! (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) True. From personal experience, people in real-life prefer to talk in their native toungue if they know that the person will understand them. I've seen lots of families in which the parents constantly speak to their kids in one language, and (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Has no one ever heard of a bow? Chewie bends over a bit, the princess stretches, and the medal is bestowed. Oh, well. The scene more-or-less worked the way it was intended. Lucas never did understand the dynamics of the little group of (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) stereotypical (...) Eh, if I can butt in here... There have been complaints over Dinky (let's use the poor little guy's name, here), but they have been rebuffed not only by Taco Bell but by the NAALP (National Association for the Advancement (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I always marvel when I see that happen--I hate to seem like a rube, but that sort of mental gear-shifting stuns me! Dave! (who speaks enough Spanish to say "I don't speak Spanish!) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) No problem, If you want to learn more heres a link to an artical on the contriversy. (URL) Kingsley The New England LEGO Users Group (URL) My Creations at: (URL) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) ***snip*** (...) Ahh, so with all of the suns in the universe, time travel is only possible by going around the Earth's Sun ;) As beat up as the MF is I thing that Klingon Bird of Prey was in worse shape. Matt (who likes most things sci-fi and (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Shiri is right. Here in Canada we are a bilingual country (well, really only parts are). My skills in speaking in french have only really developed in the last few years but my understanding has always been strong. I remember in high school (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Actually, IMO its easier to communicate that way than for one person to switch over entirely. I understand Flemish (Dutch) and Spanish much better than I can speak them, so if the person I'm talking to speaks English well enough, I may very (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Exactly. It doesn't happen in my family much 'coz we're all better in hebrew, but my parents' friends' and their kids often switch languages, for example when the mom talks Hebrew to the kids (her native language) and the kids, who've lived in (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah I heard this talking cat speak English on this commercial! How stereotypical! =P -- Agent 0007 AIM: Agent O0O7 (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I didn't mean to insult Babylon 5 fans either! I was merely using it as an "alternative." I could have used any SCI-FI movie or series, B5 was the first to pop into my head. IMO people who criticize the SW movies come off like non-SW fan... I (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Heh. S'ok. I was mostly kidding. (...) Err. I saw a nanofig Narn fighter as well. That's about it. There have been several ships "based on" the Starfury, though I can't remember the URLs offhand. I've changed the subject and set a follow-up to (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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I was bilingual from the start so a few things happened. Spanish and English do not seem like separate languages to me. Instead it's like having two vocabulary sets. I think in either. Sometimes they mix but I usually speak whichever language is (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Well, I'm not offended...I chose to join the fray, thus I'll take my licks like a big boy. That said... Lucas is not just a misunderstood artist who is receiving unsolicited criticism from the masses; he is an entrepreneur (albeit an artist as (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Maybe the tradition in that far, far away galaxy is that only the ship commanders get a medal, the honour, though, goes to the entire crew, which is why there were all up there on the platform. -- David Schilling (24 years ago, 14-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) bravery. (...) the (...) I enjoy the movie, but I also like to nit-pick. Is there some kind of help group available for me or can I just go on annoying people with my nagging? Personally, I think Leia just wanted to show off her cleavage (what (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) are (...) Seems to me that those of us who have been the most critical have been the biggest fans of Lucas' work. Star Wars has practially been a religion for me since I was four. Because I spend so much time in the Star Wars universe, I (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) are (...) Did someone not post only a few messages ago that if you don't want to talk positive about Star Wars that you should go and find a B5 discussion? Let's all play well now and not get high and mighty on others and then pull exactly the (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) That's why the Romulans never went back in time to kick Kirk's butt. (...) I am currently working up a model in LEGO of a PB and pickle sandwich (dill) and submitting it first to Lucas' ship design team (hope he likes it) and then if he (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) careless (...) the (...) it (...) Aye, Aaron, there is help. Go to www.nitpickers.com/movies. Pretty amazing...sort of. -Chris (24 years ago, 15-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Don't misquote me... I didn't say that people who critique and discuss Star Wars are non-fans... I said IMO people who CRITICIZE the SW MOVIES come off like non-SW fans... in other words, people who spout negative comments about the SW movies (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) your (...) Same thing to me, why you chose to get huffy over movie critique escapes me. Movie critique is a right of every fan. What would be the point of fandom if you are only allowed conditions like these for discussion? You can only (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Uh... I ain't huffy... :) My mood remains as it has been. I'm fairly relaxed actually. (...) I didn't say that... again you're putting words in my mouth. I was merely stating that it's pointless to complain about things you can't change. Even (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Aaron (and we, in general) aren't complaining in the hope that George will re-do anything; we're complaining because George didn't do it as well as he might have, given certain differences of aesthetic sensibility. (...) I've heard lots of (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I think the only thing this group is debating comes up to us "qualified experts (snicker)" grading a body of work which we have studied. We are a bunch of know-it-alls on Star Wars (my name is Aaron, and I'm a Star Wars addict). I just like to (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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