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Due to the recent events on Brickshelf, I have decided to permanently withdraw my Brickshelf gallery postings and I will be removing the links from my web site. My reason for this are as follows: 1. While Kevin Loch may OWN Bickshelf, the content is (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish) !!
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(...) nice reference i wonder if anyone gets it -paul (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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Daniel Siskind wrote: <snip> I'm not sure I'm ready to take as drastic a step as Dan, but I have to say his words resonate with me. PLEASE document the guidelines for acceptable pictures. Frank (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) I agree. This would be extremely helpful to me. I think Dan is referring to me when he said "all folders immediately approved except for Jihad" because I have been semi systematically trying to approve folders of people I know already (or that (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) My disagreement isn't necessarily directed towards Larry (and I should thank him for making most of my files public at a very early stage), but he illustrates a good point in what is wrong with this current situation. If I hold anyone (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) you're allowed to have your opinion, but I think Kevin did exactly what he should have done. But tell me this - why is the moderation so rotten? Because you can't view your pictures in the recent folders? Or people can't view your "folder"? (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) This is true, but misses the point. All that is being asked for by me is some more concrete understanding of what to approve, and what not to, and what to do with things that are questionable. (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Oh really? I didn't notice a need for every posting to be reviewed before being posted. Now everything, including stuff that has been viewed thousands of times before, is now under scutiny and with just the vaguest of idea of what is and what (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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Why is it that the good Reverend has everyone of his folders moderated? Rev's gallery: (URL) must have come up on the random hit list and is pretty high up the host hits ladder. Some 'celebrities' have had all their folders cleared within days of (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Dan, I think you may be overreacting a bit. Moderation is based upon two very basic guidelines. Is it "safe" for kids, and is it on topic. For Brickshelf, "on topic" is a very simple and sharp distinction. Is the content in any way related to (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) they are not unmoderated, but they are not yet public either. I'm sure that's no problem for Brendan, since he deep links to them on his website. I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and relax and wait for us to catch up on moderation. (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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| | Re: Brickshelf stats (was: Brickmania withdraws from Brickshelf)
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In lugnet.publish, Kevin Loch writes about the new moderation process: Kevin, It seems to me folders & files uploaded since moderation started (or thereabouts) have no "hit" statistics. Is this so? Has the hit counting been switched off? Thanks (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Why? Why set them aside for further review? What is in question? I've seen his pictures, they're not pornographic. The majority deals with the bible and it's topics, and does not every christian church give free and full access of the bible to (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) I admit, circumstances caused the moderation system to be implemented in a sudden and clumsy manner. Life works that way sometimes. The alternative was to leave the gallery offline for a few months while proper software development and (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) I should also add that almost all of the off topic folders that are deleted on Brickshelf *would* be on-topic on Geekshelf. In fact that is one of the main reasons I opened Geekshelf. KL (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) You forgot to add IMHO or IMO to that sentence. (Note that I'm not claiming that they are, but I certainly now people who might think that). (...) I don't think the bible as endorsed by most Christian churches necessarily contains pictures. (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) He has uploaded a handful of images in the past that were not (according to me). Therefore I want to carefully review all of them to make sure they are all kid-safe. The subject matter (the Bible) deals with alot of very adult topics that (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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What's the difference between "deep links" and just plain links? -- Thanx~ Nicole (URL) Loch" <kloch@opnsys.com> wrote in message news:GyrF5M.14w@lugnet.com... (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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ty for replying Kevin. Granted I understand the sensitivity around some of the Testament chapters but he's got several other projects that have no offensive nature except possibly in their colour schemes. My question is why there was a carpet policy (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) LOL! It's simple, he broke (or pushed) the rules in the past, so I want to carefully review everything he's uploaded. Why haven't the easy ones been moderated ok yet? That's a matter of mechanics and priorities. I took them out of the general (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Raising the question, could there be an easy method for users to move stuff from BS to GS, without having to delete/upload? ROSCO (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Nothing from the perspective of the linking page. Deep linking is just linking direct to the jpg (or whatever) from a page on another server, rather than linking to the BS file/folder number (gallery.cgi) or the main page or whatever. ROSCO (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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Ohh. So my idea of moving images from our site to B.S. to recover space is one that can be done! Just link to the jpg itself? Example: the story picture sets are large. So my plan is to link them from our story section. -- Thanx~ Nicole (URL) (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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| | What is 'safe' (Re: Brickmania withdraws from Brickshelf)
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In lugnet.publish, Kevin Loch writes: <snip> (...) Kevin, I have seen the word 'safe' be used many times, but have failed to see exactly what the official Brickshelf definition of 'safe' is. This is one of those strictly opinion-related words that (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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Regarding the Brick Testament being under review: In lugnet.publish, Anthony Sava writes: <snip> (...) Well, I'll take a crack at correcting you. Firstly, despite the fact that minifigs do not have genitalia, that does not mean it is not possible to (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) ok, seems to take some time... (...) I do hope that you will let people know beforehand, so they can get their pictures before they are lost. Some of my pictures are at BS only asuming that I trust(ed) that my stuff will not be deleted without (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) You should never use ANY place ( your own HD, one particular floppy, BS, some other site) as your one and only place to keep something you consider important. If it's important, keep it in multiple places. That piece of advice has nothing to (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) /agree with ++Lar. I mean, what if BrickShelf's HD were to die quite by accident? That has nothing to do with any 'malicious' intent on people's part and yet your photo's would still be gone. Then who do you blame? I have my little web site (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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You know, I really didn't want to post to this thread but, I just rememered a comic strip, "Zits." Do you read it? It's ocassionally funny, but there was a series about a week ago where the main character was all pissed off because his favorite (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Yes, that's quite possible. That's how I do all my Lugnet pages: (URL) the pictures on the pages linked from there are hosted by Brickshelf. thanks, James (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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Hello! (...) That seems clear. (...) Well, that seems not to be so clear. How do you define "safe for kids"? OK, no porn. I totally agree. But where begins "porn"? In my opinion this girl licking her ice (out of ABS) does not count as porn. It may (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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Does this all mean that brickshelf is completely unavailable, I can't even get to the homepage. Tim (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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Hi Kevin, "Kevin Loch" <kloch@opnsys.com> wrote in news:GyrEEC.MnI@lugnet.com (...) This is simply not true. Read (URL) about my fake ad with the LEGO logo that was deleted from the server. ..oli (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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Hi Kevin, in news:GyrGGo.3zy@lugnet.com you wrote (...) I don't think it would take a few months to write one short HTML page with your submission rules and put it on www.brickshelf.com. This has nothing to do with programming software. You could (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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Mark" <snowleopard@foxinternet.net> wrote in news:Gys5ED.D7w@lugnet.com (...) Yes, Kevin owns the webspace, but we own the pictures. I think, this is a give and take. The problem is, if people are too frustrated with Brickshelf and turn their back (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Have you considered the possibility that people may not have local copies of the images they have uploaded? I would be the first to admit that it is a bad idea to do so, but someone may have accidentally deleted their local copies of some (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) I just want to say that I'm 100% with Mark! It is fantastic that we all have a beautifull place/site to upload our pictures. And even better, a centralized site where we can see the most interesting creations and ideas from all the AFOLs (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) I like to think of BS as an artist's gallery. Kevin, as the curator of the gallery, displays things for all to see. Why? His motives are his own, but to wager a guess I'd say because he's a Lego Fanatic. Just like the rest of us, and he has (...) (22 years ago, 6-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Yes, it is true. Do you mean the ad in this folder: (URL) doesn't look deleted to me. I don't see any reason why it would be (without complaint from a trademark/copyright holder). In fact, I remember looking at those pictures closely when they (...) (22 years ago, 6-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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"Kevin Loch" <kloch@opnsys.com> wrote in news:Gyt8H8.GHr@lugnet.com... (...) [...] (...) You didn't read the thread, did you? The picture is not deleted *ANYMORE*! I had to re-upload an updated version of it! It was then a few times toggled between (...) (22 years ago, 6-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) You diddn't read what I just wrote did you? There was no "arbitrariness", it simply was not obvious at first glance that it was on-topic. *Most uploads don't have that problem* because they obviously contain LEGO. I don't think it's fair to me (...) (22 years ago, 6-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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"Kevin Loch" <kloch@opnsys.com> wrote in news:Gyu751.CpA@lugnet.com (...) Well, if there's somewhere a LEGO logo on a picture, it should be suspected, that there is something about LEGO (aka "on-topic") in this picture (even when it's hidden for the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) I agree with you Dan. This moderation was jumped into before ANYTHING was ready. The software, the people and the rules... It was VERY badly done. Yes, Kevin may own Brickshelf, as a landlord owns a building. But he doesn't own the contents of (...) (22 years ago, 6-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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In lugnet.publish, Dean Husby writes: <snip> (...) How did you come up with July 4th? The current moderation situation started on June 25th ((URL) ), or are you saying that Daniel's withdraw was the "death of Brickshelf" jt (22 years ago, 6-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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There seems to be some miscommunication here. When the image was deleted, Oliver posted asking why it was deleted. He received a response from Larry, who wrote that he did not delete it, and was not sure why it was deleted, but speculated that it (...) (22 years ago, 6-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Are you joking? Do you have any idea how bad that would work? (...) ABSOLUTELY FALSE. (...) Once again, there is only one official moderator. If it's unsafe or off topic, it WILL be deleted. If it's safe and on-topic, it will be public. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 6-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) If it was deleted, it should not have been. I know I did not delete it. (...) Since this is obviously too complicated a process, I have removed moderator privileges from every user that had them besides me. That way there will be no confusion. (...) (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) That is false. There is one moderator and the rules could not possibly be simpler or more transparent. People's vivid imagination appears to be much more interesting than reality when it comes to Brickshelf moderation. KL (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) I diddn't delete it, Larry says he diddn't delete it. Whoever did delete it is no longer a moderator so case closed. KL (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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I've been watching this thread intently the past few days, interested to see how it would unfold. I have my own opinions, and some of the concerns here I agree with, others I disagree with. But, putting all of that aside, right *now* I think it (...) (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Yep, I'm with Tim on that. If you don't like Brickshelf, then don't use it. I for one think it's great and it saves me a lot of time when I want to make images public to the LEGO world. jt (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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We here at The Drumm home second, third, fourth and fifth Tim's sentiments. -- Thanx~ Nicole (URL) Courtney" <tim@zacktron.com> wrote in message news:Gyus00.C81@lugnet.com... <snippered> (...) (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Actually, I'd like to second this idea. Over the weekend I was talking to a friend who also uses Brickshelf, but not Lugnet. He had no idea what was going on with my folders (most of which are still off-line). After I him told what I had (...) (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) No, it was extremely well-done for the amount that YOU'VE paid for it. (...) Okay, this is getting further and further into the "Pretty Damn Loopy" category. I have one suggestion for anyone who openly criticizes Kevin for the way he handles (...) (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) I agree with Tim also. My only comment is that I wish that we would spend as much energy accusing and flaming on actually trying to be helpful and patient. If that's too much effort, then go somewhere else. Geez. Joe (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Ok, this wasn't funny. (...) And this scared the living bejabbers out of me.... Kevin, I got a CPR card if it helps. Mark (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) However anyone might feel, From Brickshelf's Terms of Service: (URL) MODIFICATIONS TO SERVICE Brickshelf reserves the right at any time and from time to time to modify or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, the Service (or any part (...) (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Actually, I think this would be a great idea. I am a mod over at BZcommunity and there is a 'report post to a moderator' button and it works wonders. It is almost never abused and I would honestly say 98% of every report I have got has been a (...) (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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Hi. Been out of town the last few days, but now that I'm back, I just wanted to chime in on this thread since The Brick Testament was being talked about. In my opinion, BrickShelf has been nothing short of wonderful for the online LEGO community, (...) (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish) !!
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(...) I totally agree with Tim on this one. Kevin has done a tremendous job with Brickshelf, even gone as far as to create some business around it to keep it up when money was becoming an issue. It is still a free service from Kevin to us. And how (...) (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) This was going to be a lame "me too" post, until I found something to add. Please give Kevin a break, but keep it short and sweet - the more time he spends here, the less time he has for moderating, and the more aggravation he gets here, the (...) (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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| | Re: Brickmania withdraws from Brickshelf (and some random thoughts)
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My random thoughts: I have read some of the more interesting and wiser postings, and have to say that I agree with many things that have been said, some of them I couldn’t say better myself, others are just plain commonsense and then there are some (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish) !!
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Hello Melody, You've expressed your feelings about the subject very well. I wish I could write as good as you do. But I can't, so I'm very pleased you did this. I speculate (and hope) that your post might be close to the opinion of the the silend (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) These are generally my sentiments too. I hope the tone of my typing investigating the testamentgate coverup was not taken too seriously. I totally understand the recent developments in the online Lego landscape as fully necessary and applaude (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) This analogy is so dead on that it is a shame you are using it in such an incorrect manner. No, Kevin does not own the contents of the various Brickshelf folders. However, just like a landlord he gets to say what does or does not go in them. (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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BRAVO TIM! AND BRAVO to all his supporters! KEVIN, keep up the good work! KEVIN, like I said in an earlier message, -You are doing a AWESOME job and service to us all -You don't have to defend yourself -You don't have to justify your actions It (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Agreed. (...) Hmm. Made me think about that concentration camp spoof Lego 'set' that has been often debated here before (created by controversial Jewish artist Alan Schechner). Anyhow, the original quote I think Dan's referring to is pretty (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) I think this is an excellent idea. I think part of the confusion is that in the TOS of Brickshelf it states something to the effect of: "this site is for pictures of Legos and pictures generally of interest to the community" i think everyone (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.publish)
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