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Re: I think I'm going to puke....
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:47:32 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allister McLaren wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allister McLaren wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allister McLaren wrote:
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Besides, I dont think androgyny is the goal here (although that may be the
current trend).
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I think thats exactly the ideological goal. I think some believe this to
be the ultimate expression of humanity.
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Then you obviously give more credence to the influence a few fashion
designers have than I do.
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I am looking at this as a vision for the future that some influential people
have, and I dont like it.
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It seems more about having the choice to step out of
stereotypical roles, and whats wrong with that?
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WHICH stereotypical roles??? Fatherhood? Husband? Any individual can do
whatever they want, but holding up such a silly vision of a new male for
society to emulate is destructive.
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But what kind of father? What kind of husband? As much as youd like to think
otherwise, theres no one single blueprint for fulfilling either of those
roles well.
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There doesnt have to be.
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Its not inherent that such a man wouldnt be a terrific husband
and father, any more than the old man, for want of a better term, would be
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Hmm. I dont know. The vision of hybrid-man sounds narcissistic and
selfish-- not generally known as good qualities for parenthood.
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(and theres plenty of crappy fathers and husbands around right now, so
holding the current status of men as some sort of ideal is delusional at
best.)
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This is fallacious argument (specifically named, Im not sure, maybe I could get
a bone, Dave!?)
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Personally I think men in general do need to do a little work on themselves
(myself included, especially myself according to my wife ;) to help mitigate
some of the bad rap theyve been getting, but that doesnt mean Ill be
putting on lipstick any time soon.
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Im glad, as Im sure your wife is as well:-)
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Youre perfectly free to reject them. Why do you think its appropriate to
judge others who choose to embrace them?
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Im not judging others, but I am objecting to others foisting their screwed
up vision on society. It is their vision vs mine.
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Sounds like a recipe for a miserable life.
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Not sure what that means. Im just asserting what I think is right.
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The world is constantly changing. You can rail against it all you like, but
it wont stop it.
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What a cop-out attitude.
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Its merely the truth. The trick is in directing that change towards
something good. What is good, however, can be debated until the end of time
before anything is done. The best you can do is to work on your own life, and
let others do the same.
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I agree, but there are some who are in positions of influence who can affect and
shape those perceptions.
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I choose to change the world for GOOD, and this
crap is not good for society.
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What, by posting on Lugnet? Good luck with that.
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No, I mainly use OTD for honing my ideas.
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Chances are in the natural cycle of things that itll swing
around to something you approve of again eventually.
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You can choose to be passive against such changes if you wish.
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Call it calm acceptance.
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Sure, now. But one day you and I will wake up and hybrid-man will be
everywhere:-o
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You also wont get any argument from me that western civilasation is in
decline, but this example is merely the latest symptom of a process that
has been in effect for at least a couple of hundred years. Typifying it as
a result of the actions of the left is extraordinarliy narrow-minded
though imo.
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Not everyone on the Left, but it certainly is emanating from the Left.
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Despite what you think, the world is not easily divided into left and
right ideologies. With such a dualistic view of the world its no wonder
you have difficulty seeing it as it is.
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I think you would be surprised how easy it is to divide people into Left and
Right on certain issues.
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There is very little being done by any political affiliation that is
acting to reverse this decline.
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I disagree.
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I suppose by that you mean that you think your beloved Republican party is
doing this? Dont make me laugh.
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I am a Conservative more than a Republican. I cling to my ideals rather than to
a political party.
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In fact it seems to be a fairly common
assumption that were actually progressing. Thats merely another symptom.
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But only the Left would agree that such a new male would be progress.
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My advice: Dont worry. Be happy. If you dont want to put on a dress,
dont.
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Well, YOU are on the front lines (Europe). Your masculinity will be
culturally emasculated before mine.
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Wrong continent dude.
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Doh, wrong island! And here I thought I was pretty good at distinguishing
accents;-) My apologies.
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This particular wave probably wont hit down-under for
a good few years yet, if it ever does.
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You are probably right. My perception of Aussies is that they are too
commonsensical for such BS like that!
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I expect itll pan out to be a
non-issue. I mean, since when has the catwalks of Paris and Milan had any
effect on society previously.
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Since time immemorial!
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Read the article again. While it talks all sorts of bollocks about changing
society, and making the new man or whatever, looking closely youll see
that its nothing more than a retail trend trying to make itself appear more
important than it actually is.
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Perhaps.
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Relax dude, youre gonna burst something.
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Now your laid-back attitude makes sense to me:-) I am more relaxed than I
probably appear here, so dont worry about me, mate!
JOHN
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| (...) Then you obviously give more credence to the influence a few fashion designers have than I do. (...) But what kind of father? What kind of husband? As much as you'd like to think otherwise, there's no one single blueprint for fulfilling either (...) (19 years ago, 9-Jun-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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