Subject:
|
Re: I think I'm going to puke....
|
Newsgroups:
|
lugnet.off-topic.debate
|
Date:
|
Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:47:32 GMT
|
Viewed:
|
1939 times
|
| |
|
|
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allister McLaren wrote:
| |
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
| |
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allister McLaren wrote:
| |
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
| |
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allister McLaren wrote:
|
|
| |
Besides, I don’t think androgyny is the goal here (although that may be the
current trend).
|
I think that’s exactly the ideological goal. I think some believe this to
be the ultimate expression of humanity.
|
Then you obviously give more credence to the influence a few fashion
designers have than I do.
|
I am looking at this as a vision for the future that some influential people
have, and I don’t like it.
| |
| |
| |
It seems more about having the choice to step out of
stereotypical roles, and what’s wrong with that?
|
WHICH “stereotypical roles”??? Fatherhood? Husband? Any individual can do
whatever they want, but holding up such a silly vision of a “new male” for
society to emulate is destructive.
|
But what kind of father? What kind of husband? As much as you’d like to think
otherwise, there’s no one single blueprint for fulfilling either of those
roles well.
|
There doesn’t have to be.
| |
It’s not inherent that such a man wouldn’t be a terrific husband
and father, any more than the ‘old man’, for want of a better term, would be
|
Hmm. I don’t know. The vision of “hybrid-man” sounds narcissistic and
selfish-- not generally known as good qualities for parenthood.
| |
(and there’s plenty of crappy fathers and husbands around right now, so
holding the current status of men as some sort of ideal is delusional at
best.)
|
This is fallacious argument (specifically named, I’m not sure, maybe I could get
a bone, Dave!?)
| |
Personally I think men in general do need to do a little work on themselves
(myself included, especially myself according to my wife ;) to help mitigate
some of the bad rap they’ve been getting, but that doesn’t mean I’ll be
putting on lipstick any time soon.
|
I’m glad, as I’m sure your wife is as well:-)
| |
| |
| |
You’re perfectly free to reject them. Why do you think it’s appropriate to
judge others who choose to embrace them?
|
I’m not judging others, but I am objecting to others foisting their screwed
up vision on society. It is their vision vs mine.
|
Sounds like a recipe for a miserable life.
|
Not sure what that means. I’m just asserting what I think is right.
| |
| |
| |
The world is constantly changing. You can rail against it all you like, but
it won’t stop it.
|
What a cop-out attitude.
|
It’s merely the truth. The trick is in directing that change towards
something good. What is ‘good’, however, can be debated until the end of time
before anything is done. The best you can do is to work on your own life, and
let others do the same.
|
I agree, but there are some who are in positions of influence who can affect and
shape those perceptions.
| |
| |
I choose to change the world for GOOD, and this
crap is not good for society.
|
What, by posting on Lugnet? Good luck with that.
|
No, I mainly use OTD for honing my ideas.
| |
| |
| |
Chances are in the natural cycle of things that it’ll swing
around to something you approve of again eventually.
|
You can choose to be passive against such changes if you wish.
|
Call it calm acceptance.
|
Sure, now. But one day you and I will wake up and hybrid-man will be
everywhere:-o
| |
| |
| |
You also won’t get any argument from me that western civilasation is in
decline, but this example is merely the latest symptom of a process that
has been in effect for at least a couple of hundred years. Typifying it as
a result of the actions of the ‘left’ is extraordinarliy narrow-minded
though imo.
|
Not everyone on the Left, but it certainly is emanating from the Left.
|
Despite what you think, the world is not easily divided into ‘left’ and
‘right’ ideologies. With such a dualistic view of the world it’s no wonder
you have difficulty seeing it as it is.
|
I think you would be surprised how easy it is to divide people into Left and
Right on certain issues.
| |
| |
| |
There is very little being done by any political affiliation that is
acting to reverse this decline.
|
I disagree.
|
I suppose by that you mean that you think your beloved Republican party is
doing this? Don’t make me laugh.
|
I am a Conservative more than a Republican. I cling to my ideals rather than to
a political party.
| |
| |
| |
In fact it seems to be a fairly common
assumption that we’re actually progressing. That’s merely another symptom.
|
But only the Left would agree that such a “new male” would be progress.
| |
My advice: Don’t worry. Be happy. If you don’t want to put on a dress,
don’t.
|
Well, YOU are on the front lines (Europe). Your masculinity will be
culturally emasculated before mine.
|
Wrong continent dude.
|
D’oh, wrong island! And here I thought I was pretty good at distinguishing
accents;-) My apologies.
| |
This particular wave probably won’t hit down-under for
a good few years yet, if it ever does.
|
You are probably right. My perception of Aussies is that they are too
commonsensical for such BS like that!
| |
I expect it’ll pan out to be a
non-issue. I mean, since when has the catwalks of Paris and Milan had any
effect on society previously.
|
Since time immemorial!
| |
Read the article again. While it talks all sorts of bollocks about changing
society, and making the ‘new man’ or whatever, looking closely you’ll see
that it’s nothing more than a retail trend trying to make itself appear more
important than it actually is.
|
Perhaps.
| |
Relax dude, you’re gonna burst something.
|
Now your laid-back attitude makes sense to me:-) I am more relaxed than I
probably appear here, so don’t worry about me, mate!
JOHN
|
|
Message is in Reply To:
 | | Re: I think I'm going to puke....
|
| (...) Then you obviously give more credence to the influence a few fashion designers have than I do. (...) But what kind of father? What kind of husband? As much as you'd like to think otherwise, there's no one single blueprint for fulfilling either (...) (19 years ago, 9-Jun-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
65 Messages in This Thread:
 
 
- Entire Thread on One Page:
- Nested:
All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:
All | Brief | Compact
|
|
|
|
